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Manager Watch: Ange Postecoglou

McFlash

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If you think the club under this ownership will solve our problems via the transfer market…well, that’s never happened. It’s cheaper to change managers and try and get a tune out of our assets. We have a high net spend, but we spread it over more speculative purchases and hardly sell anyone. Stop the comparisons with Arteta. We won’t give Ange, or any manager, a £100m player. As for selling - not loaning - selling 12 players? Do me a favour. Good luck to Ange. He definitely won’t be getting the squad overhaul he wants.
We don't necessarily need a £100m player, in fact I'd argue that we don't because we've got so much work to do with the squad, that money would be better spread about a bit.

The last few windows have proved that we're willing to spend money and a fair bit of it, while things seem to have changed with both Levy and the recruitment set-up, so let's see what happens.

And of course, we're not going to be able to shift 12 players in one window but as long as we make a start, and a statement, we'll be on the right tracks.

As I say, there appears to have been a mentality shift in the club recently, so let's hope it's seen through rather than just writing it off straight away.
 

YiddoTHFC

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I agree. I don’t get it.
It helps overloading the opposition area, the two 8s are supposed to push ahead into the box like what was happening early in the season, it also helps winning the ball back high up the pitch, the intention of it is to essentially be in 2-3 shape of both cb, the dm and both full backs, the problem is the wingers, before the season started there was analysis from the likes of the athletic, tifo and Fourfourtwo etc on YouTube about how he likes to play, they are supposed to be hugging the touchline, if the opposition go narrow like we are seeing they drive down the line and to the byline into the box with the opposite winger in the at the far post, it’s basically most of Johnson’s goals this season when it’s actually worked, if the opposition get stretched it allows the two 8s to push forward and overload the box.

In the middle of winter the athletic ran a huge piece on why we are getting so many injuries and the effect changing from Conte’s marathon type runs etc to high intensity burst causes on the body, it’s leads to muscle injuries and high fatigue at the end of the season, they compared it to Bielsa who’s team always fall off, but in Ange’s case the second season has been a huge improvement in all his previous jobs, the lack of intensity is making me wonder if the squad is just straight up fatigued at this point, low fatigue can lead to a lack of confidence and commitment.
 

fridgemagnet

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Its a great interview.

The key quote is the mindset one, I think now he has an idea who he has to let go.

We need to be ruthless this summer.

Cant shake the feeling Bissouma will be one of them.
I've wondered if 'pool would be potentially a bidder for him?
 

marion52

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We won’t sell all those players as we all know, but also if we are in Europa next season players like Skipp are needed for that and the homegrown element.
 

Tucker

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Sorry did I piss on your chips with the truth? Some truth piss? Not very tasty is it.
Why did I hear this in Mark Corrigan’s inner monologue as if he’s just told Jez off for thinking his and Super Hans‘ band are going to make it big.
 

mil1lion

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I just feel that there is a dated concept behind this thinking. It doesn't take into account the flexibility that's happening now in top level management.
We need a manager who can make his team seamlessly attacking or defending..depending on the opposition/situation. This old skool, one style forever concept has gone imo. Management at the top is more sophisticated than that nowadays.

Not noticed Arse/Newcastle(Vs us)/Real Madrid/Bayern etc etc changing their style according to the opposition recently ?
but we were not doing that under previous managers. It wasn't a case of us going defensive in the big games, we were being outplayed by most of our opponents further down the table. That's why we've had to shift our mindset more to be brave and press forward. That is even harder to do in the big games too because that's what Ange wants us to do. Sure you need to be able to defend and you wont always have the majority of the ball but even then we have to be brave to play out from the back like we did away at Arsenal. Not enough of the players show for the ball and that's the major difference with us and the top teams. Even when they defend they don't hide and they have the confidence to play out when they have the ball.
 

makeveli

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Let’s give the man a chance this squad is so bad , let him get rid of the old broken players in with the new young ones then we judge after next season
 

DFF

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Why did I hear this in Mark Corrigan’s inner monologue as if he’s just told Jez off for thinking his and Super Hans‘ band are going to make it big.
Peep Show. Chef’s kiss of a show.
 
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danielneeds

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We can never know what’s really going on in the dressing room and on the training ground. All we can go on is what we see on the pitch and the statements the manager gives.

Everything Ange says makes me believe in him. Well, everything apart from his weird stance on set pieces. I’ll give him time to mould this club because I want to see it playing the football he believes in.
 

McArchibald

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Before Ange, it looked like we were going to hire Slot.
From the limited research I have done on Slot, he plays a similar ‘Pep light’ style of football just like Ange.
I think player recruitment will revert back to the Poch times of signing under 25 year olds, with potential.
I think what we really lack, is that focal point up top. Son is still a really good player, but works best with space to run into.
Richarlison, for me, spends way too much time trying to wind up the opposition and lacks quality on the ball.
But a good CF is going to cost a lot of money
So we won't get one until the next Kane comes out of the academy and falls in Levy's lap.
 

RuskyM

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Why did I hear this in Mark Corrigan’s inner monologue as if he’s just told Jez off for thinking his and Super Hans‘ band are going to make it big.
Que sera sera. Whatever will be will be. The future's not ours to see. If Arsenal wins the league, I'll kill myself.
 

rossdapep

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We don't necessarily need a £100m player, in fact I'd argue that we don't because we've got so much work to do with the squad, that money would be better spread about a bit.

The last few windows have proved that we're willing to spend money and a fair bit of it, while things seem to have changed with both Levy and the recruitment set-up, so let's see what happens.

And of course, we're not going to be able to shift 12 players in one window but as long as we make a start, and a statement, we'll be on the right tracks.

As I say, there appears to have been a mentality shift in the club recently, so let's hope it's seen through rather than just writing it off straight away.
Yeah 100m players only come in when you need that one player to get you over the line.

Otherwise you need to spend that money on building an 11 that fits the system well enough and some rotation.

You may then get close but be missing that bonafide star whether it's an elite CF or winger who can do it all or AM that is on another level
 

Ribble

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So we won't get one until the next Kane comes out of the academy and falls in Levy's lap.

Very few teams in the world can afford to buy a ready-made superstar striker, even after they've sold one. If we want someone as good as Kane again we need to do the thing we've been good at doing for a long time now - finding talent and developing them.
 

Hazelton

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Honestly cannot understand why anyone wouldn't back Ange and trust him to build something here. Yes, Conte and Mourinho said the same thing about the squad and could've been given the same time but it's about whose image you want to build your squad and club around and Ange just suits us down to the ground. I have full faith that next season will see a marked improvement and the season after that will show an even greater improvement.

I still maintain that the cups should take priority over the league next season, win something and use it as a springboard the following year.
 

vinsomer

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Imagine not backing this absolute Beast and ask for him to be sacked after the first major turbulent period. I’m ready to see Ange rip this group of players apart if needed. It’s only time that players get to be sacked like we always do with managers. Buckle up, fellas. It’s going to be a wild ride, and I’m all in for it. To dare is to motherfucking do.
 

Gilzeanking

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but we were not doing that under previous managers. It wasn't a case of us going defensive in the big games, we were being outplayed by most of our opponents further down the table. That's why we've had to shift our mindset more to be brave and press forward. That is even harder to do in the big games too because that's what Ange wants us to do. Sure you need to be able to defend and you wont always have the majority of the ball but even then we have to be brave to play out from the back like we did away at Arsenal. Not enough of the players show for the ball and that's the major difference with us and the top teams. Even when they defend they don't hide and they have the confidence to play out when they have the ball.
I've failed to communicate my point.

I'm saying teams nowadays are set up differently depending on who the opposition is/How the match is progressing. Sometimes set up a low block/counter system, sometimes an all out attacking system and change match to match to suit. The top teams are doing this now. This is no fantasy .

This leads to concern about a one style system.
 

rossdapep

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I've failed to communicate my point.

I'm saying teams nowadays are set up differently depending on who the opposition is/How the match is progressing. Sometimes set up a low block/counter system, sometimes an all out attacking system and change match to match to suit. The top teams are doing this now. This is no fantasy .

This leads to concern about a one style system.
That's true but you need to build a base system first.

Then you can make adjustments.

I'm certain that once Ange had done this you'll see little tactical tweaks to help against opposition whether it's to counter their defensive tactics or to help us with a threat.

It's just Ange sees these as details we do later.

I mean some of these players can't even do what he's asking of them now
 

mil1lion

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I've failed to communicate my point.

I'm saying teams nowadays are set up differently depending on who the opposition is/How the match is progressing. Sometimes set up a low block/counter system, sometimes an all out attacking system and change match to match to suit. The top teams are doing this now. This is no fantasy .

This leads to concern about a one style system.
I don't think Ange is only setting up to play one way though. Like I said away at arsenal we played deeper and played out. We had more possession but had to play deeper. We still broke out of the press a number of times and looked dangerous on the counter. So it's not always a high line play in the opposition half approach. It's just that more opponents have stopped pressing us high and approach us with a counter or counter press. We just haven't found the answers to that now where there's less space in the opposition half.
 
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