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Manager Watch: Ange Postecoglou

ajspurs

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completely disagree. The guy is hardly ever fit and when he is it’s not as if he dominates a game or ever looks like scoring.

The problem is that if we sell Richarlison we'll need two strikers, which isn't going to happen. I personally don't like the idea of having a wide man who can 'fill in' as striker. I'd keep him simply to have as our secondary striker. We should never have been in a position where Ricahrlison was our number one forward IMO. The only reason I warmed to signing him in the first place was that it was nice to finally have a good striker as backup.
 

Rob

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The problem is that if we sell Richarlison we'll need two strikers, which isn't going to happen. I personally don't like the idea of having a wide man who can 'fill in' as striker. I'd keep him simply to have as our secondary striker. We should never have been in a position where Ricahrlison was our number one forward IMO. The only reason I warmed to signing him in the first place was that it was nice to finally have a good striker as backup.
I think I'm at the stage of fuck it, Scarlett/Lankshear can't be worse.
 

superted4

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completely disagree. The guy is hardly ever fit and when he is it’s not as if he dominates a game or ever looks like scoring.
Got to agree with this, but at least the ball didnt bounce straight back last night, like it does with Son playing there.
 

Teegart

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We have a squad who’s whole front line (subs included) are virtually incapable of skinning a man from a standing start. Players that when isolated with their man one on one, you think, “this lads getting rinsed, we’re in here”. That’s a huge problem not having that profile at all.

All the “big” teams have them. City have Doku, Grealish even Foden. Arsenal have Saka. Pool have Diaz, Salah, Jota. Chelsea have Sterling, Nkunku and Madueke even proved it last last night. Utd have Garnacho. Newcastle have Gordon, Isak is also excellent at manipulating isolated defenders.

I think our setup for the most part is fine for where we are in the rebuild under Ange, ie he hasn’t broken it down too technical yet. But it’s clear as day our squad is missing key profiles. Our front 3 are toothless and whatever 6 we play looks clueless!

We need to properly back Ange this summer, and as some other have said, I’m hardly convinced this is going to happen.
 

Gb160

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I honestly hope there is a meeting arranged first thing today with Ange, Levy, Munn and whoever else has any involvement is our squad shaping. Make a full list of who Ange wants to keep (and can work in his system) and who and he wants to leave. Then get the ball rolling now to start trying to shift the dead wood, likely in phases.

I don't care who he may want to leave, how hard the decisions are going to be and whose feathers will be ruffled. We must allow him to shape a squad in his own image and play style in order to have given him a chance.
I agree but don't see any logic in doing it in phases. If they're not a good fit then get rid.
Otherwise we'll be hearing the same excuses.
 

thecook

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I agree but don't see any logic in doing it in phases. If they're not a good fit then get rid.
Otherwise we'll be hearing the same excuses.
Oh definitely, I'd like to see them all be turfed out in one window, there's just so many of them that it will likely be impossible
 

Rout-Ledge

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That first Chelsea match may have been even more of a turning point than we feared.

I worry that we are playing so openly and conceding so many chances every single match that the players have become desensitised to conceding goals.
 

ajspurs

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I think I'm at the stage of fuck it, Scarlett/Lankshear can't be worse.

I'm no massive fan of Richarlison at all, but I think he can be passable if you provide for him. We certainly need better though.
 

talkshowhost86

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I agree but don't see any logic in doing it in phases. If they're not a good fit then get rid.
Otherwise we'll be hearing the same excuses.
It won't happen though.

We know it won't.

And if he had any sense Ange would have known this when he signed on.

So it does have to be done in phases and that's when I expect our coaches to work with what they have.
 

Monkey boy

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The attacking set pieces are interesting as I feel like we were doing ok with them at the start of the season. Seem to remember Porro grabbing a few assists taking corners.

The real worry is that it seems the more coaching this squad has, the worse they become.

Romero should have scored on Sunday and definitely should have scored last night, both chances would have brought the score back to 1-1 in both games. The miss last night was a shocker and probably not enough has been said about it.
 

mpickard2087

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What worries me the most is that we've gone from feeling like we need 2-3 additional players to my personal feeling that we need 8-9, and that simply won't happen.

The arguments from Conte were always that he 'didn't have the players' and I really hope we don't end up in a similar situation with Ange.

A good manager adapts to the players and, god forbid, actually improves them.
I said last night I reckon you could upgrade basically every position, still think that, but I do think maybe 3 signings and you could see big improvements if they were ones who could balance out the team and bring a bit of calmness and cerebral qualities to the side.

Currently I think we lack some brains, composure, and ability (both technically and in intelligence) to keep us in the right part of the field.

Porro can spray a ball about and do flair moves, but he is quite untidy often, can lack composure, and fucks the ball away a lot. Udogie is young and raw. Bissouma is quite individualistic and a bit of a sloppy passer at the best of times. Sarr is an excitable young puppy whose main qualities are running around a lot for you. Werner/Johnson/Son/Richarlison are pretty untidy in possession. There are some who you think do have those qualities, but: Bentancur is struggling to find rhythm post-injury, Kulusevski is way out of form, as is Maddison who is a final third No.10 not a game controller and he often makes really bad choices when dropping deeper, and Lo Celso is apparently not really rated by his manager.

It could be new signings or players getting back to what they can be, but a couple of composed players who can move the ball around the park and just steer us in to the right areas of the pitch, and one or two who can offer some x-factor in the attacking positions (such as high acceleration, agility, dribbling technique, etc) and things would probably look much better.
 

Stamford

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Yet why do people thing things will change by changing the manager, that is a proven fact that it doesn't so lets try something different for once?

Im not arguing for change by the way. Simply asking the question. Had some good replies
 

Shanks

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May 11, 2005
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How many do we have to concede per match before he addresses it do you think?
I'm pretty sure the team are trying to address it, regardless of thr amount going in, no idea how you go about it though
 

jimbo

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Dec 22, 2003
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We've tried changing the manager and the players to no avail, maybe the things we need to change are the elements that have remained consistent throughout all that churn.
 

mattspur1986

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I don't think Ange can say he was not backed last summer.

Admittedly - not ideal to lose Kane on the eve of the season, but that appeared to be the plan all summer, so it should not have been a shock.

But, a manager has to take stock of what he has for the season, and win games - and then go again in the next transfer window.

And, I am still pro-Ange - I just don't think it's a valid crutch to say the performances are down to not having the right fit. If its true - manager needs to adapt, until it's time to make squad changes in the summer. We can't just throw in the towel and give up.
This is it. He don’t APPEAR to have a plan b as of yet. He does need to adjust, he needs to look at not just intergrating but playing some of these lads we have in the u21s. It really can’t get worse than it currently is.
 

Gb160

Well done boys. Good process
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We've tried changing the manager and the players to no avail, maybe the things we need to change are the elements that have remained consistent throughout all that churn.
The fans? I’d be open to that. Somewhere warm and sunny ...not Saudi though I have some integrity.
 
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