Manager Watch: Ange Postecoglou

[TOLBINY]

Because they were miserable joy thief's who played miserable joy thief football while having possibly the deadliest premier league duo in history at their disposal.

Ange fits, He's a breath of fresh air and even with most of our best players sidelined we are outplaying good teams just lacking that missing quality because of the injuries to finish them off.

I honestly think anyone who watches the first part of this season and still pines for those two self obsessed idiots must be on a wind up.

I can only speak for myself - I am not pining for anyone - I am pointing out that it would be unfair to judge Ange on the last three defeats becuase of the red cards / injuries - yes we played well yesterday with a make shift team - but we were rubbish the week before at Wolves. So which performance do we judge Ange on?

Ultimately you should judge a manager on results, taking into account the squad he has at his dispoal compared to other teams.

If Ange has a better sqaud than say Conte it is right to expect him to do better than Conte. If Ange has a squad that is worse than Contes I would not be criticising Ange if he does not get us top 4.

Conte got this lot into the top 4 - which I think is an under appreciated acheivement. How many of us would 'pine' to have that squad now over the one that Ange has got?

Loris / Gollini
Emerson / Doherty
Romero / Sanchez / Dier / Rodon / Tanganga
Davies / Reguilon
PEH / Skipp / Bentancur / Winks
Kane / Son / Kulusevski / Moura / Bergwijn

 

[Sp3akerboxxx]

I think Levy will back him. He won't demand mega stars and he obviously has his own network who recommend players to him. He knows exactly what he wants. I got the impression with both Mourinho and Conte that Levy was a bit stunned at how negative they both were on the pitch and he didn't feel confident about backing either of them with the sort of players they wanted to fit in with their atrocious styles of football. He must recognise that Ange is fully worthy of proper backing. If he doesn't, I think I'll give up.

That would make sense if Levy hadn't also stopped supporting a manager that was playing attacking football and made it to a champions league final.

My concern with Levy is that the only thing he is truly concerned about is qualifying for the CL.

He also wants to do that with the smallest outlay possible.

Once we're consistently in the CL again, hell stop investing.

Just like he did with Poch.

 

[McFlash]

That would make sense if Levy hadn't also stopped supporting a manager that was playing attacking football and made it to a champions league final.

That's not really true thought, is it?
Yes there were the missed windows but he backed Poch with Lo Celso and Ndombele towards the end of his time with us.

 

[newbie]

That's not really true thought, is it?
Yes there were the missed windows but he backed Poch with Lo Celso and Ndombele towards the end of his time with us.

after we brought Son how long did it take before we signed quality players? 5 years maybe 6 years?

i can't think of one player who we signed since the 30th of August 2015- 2020 who would get into the 2015 team.

It was not Till FP joined we started to see improvement.

 

[McFlash]

after we brought Son how long did it take before we signed quality players? 5 years maybe 6 years?

i can't think of one player who we signed since the 30th of August 2015- 2020 who would get into the 2015 team.

It was not Till FP joined we started to see improvement.

But that's still not the same as saying that Levy stopped backing Poch when he started being successful.
And let's be honest, we were trying to build a stadium at the time that you are talking about but I do agree that our scouting, or at least who we've chosen to sign has been pretty terrible until recently.

This isn't a defence of Levy, just trying to avoid a misrepresentation of what actually happened.

 

[dontcallme]

There is a Levy/ENIC thread to discuss this.

But on Poch and Conte I believe both wanted players we couldn't provide and Poch definitely rejected other targets.

Our recent transfer activity is very active and Ange seems on board with the signings. Probably best to see what we do in the next 2 windows before thinking we'll just stop spending.

 

[Trix]

Villa changed things by bringing on an extra wide man.

Ange wanted to stop them from countering.

He was responding to Emery's changes.

We were a goal behind mate other wise I might believe that to be the case. It was a negative change simple as that, and again something akin to what Conte was doing previous.

 

[Japhet]

That would make sense if Levy hadn't also stopped supporting a manager that was playing attacking football and made it to a champions league final.

My concern with Levy is that the only thing he is truly concerned about is qualifying for the CL.

He also wants to do that with the smallest outlay possible.

Once we're consistently in the CL again, hell stop investing.

Just like he did with Poch.

I'm not surprised Levy didn't invest heavily in Poch. He talked openly about quitting the club on the eve of the CL Final and had flirted with it for months. He also only wanted DeJong and sulked when he went to Barcelona which was 100% his preferred destination. He then proceeded to alienate himself from the squad, allegedly watching training via CCTV. Our football leading up to the CL Final had been dreadful for at least half a season and Poch had already gone into full on sulk mode. In the meantime, Levy had his hands full with the stadium build. I'm not exonerating because he did pull a few stunts, but Poch didn't do himself any favours either. I think he'll back Ange though. He's an idiot if he doesn't.

 

[mil1lion]

We were happy to judge previous managers who were not given all the tools they need.

I think the issue with Conte was we really declined last season after several signings were made. He certainly didn't get all he needed but then not many do. He also stated it will take a few windows so he knew more time was needed. The trouble was the brand of football went vastly downhill last season and he showed no signs of being here long term. He did do well in his initial season but the whole of last season we were poor. If Ange has a follow up season like that he will deserve criticism. However the work he has done and the transformation in the style of football is fantastic. I was a backer of Conte and I wanted us to get the players he needed. However I lost faith last season because of the drop in quality and the way he talked about us. He gave up on us simple as that.

 

[Frozen_Waffles]

Gut wrenching defeat against Villa, on the back of two other soul destroying defeats. But in a weird sort of way that performance and selection against Villa really shows the manager we've got.

The only game I was truly pissed off about was the Wolves game, and that's only because I felt we didn't do enough to earn the win.

We battered Villa and we lost, so be it.

The way he blooded talents, refused to play Dier and Hoijberg. Even when Hoijberg came on and performed well (imo) he has everyone motivated.

I am truly all in now. Let's go to City and ATTACK. But for the love of God sign a another CB in January.

It's early, but I really do believe we have a world class manager, in the Ferguson ilk. Not so much style but, his firm belief in himself and his principles, and they line up so well with what Spurs represents - attack.

 

[TOLBINY]

I think the issue with Conte was we really declined last season after several signings were made. He certainly didn't get all he needed but then not many do. He also stated it will take a few windows so he knew more time was needed. The trouble was the brand of football went vastly downhill last season and he showed no signs of being here long term. He did do well in his initial season but the whole of last season we were poor. If Ange has a follow up season like that he will deserve criticism. However the work he has done and the transformation in the style of football is fantastic. I was a backer of Conte and I wanted us to get the players he needed. However I lost faith last season because of the drop in quality and the way he talked about us. He gave up on us simple as that.

So he didn't get all he needed and we were poor last season - yet we were still 4th in the table when he went.

 

[Sp3akerboxxx]

We were a goal behind mate other wise I might believe that to be the case. It was a negative change simple as that, and again something akin to what Conte was doing previous.

Stabilising a game isn't inherently negative.

Doing something to prevent the other team from scoring, also, isn't inherent negative.

We still created late chances that we could have scored from.

They created a lot less chances.

 

[Sp3akerboxxx]

I'm not surprised Levy didn't invest heavily in Poch. He talked openly about quitting the club on the eve of the CL Final and had flirted with it for months. He also only wanted DeJong and sulked when he went to Barcelona which was 100% his preferred destination. He then proceeded to alienate himself from the squad, allegedly watching training via CCTV. Our football leading up to the CL Final had been dreadful for at least half a season and Poch had already gone into full on sulk mode. In the meantime, Levy had his hands full with the stadium build. I'm not exonerating because he did pull a few stunts, but Poch didn't do himself any favours either. I think he'll back Ange though. He's an idiot if he doesn't.

The best predictor of future behaviour is past behaviour.

When it comes to Daniel Levy backing a manager.....

I'll believe it when I see it.

This is the same dude that when Poch wanted Mane, we ended up with Sissoko.

 

[mil1lion]

So he didn't get all he needed and we were poor last season - yet we were still 4th in the table when he went.

Well yes we were but he lost his shit and got himself fired because he lashed out at his own players. He couldn't last a full season before he self imploded. That was all on him. Also the stadium atmosphere was toxic under him. It was not a nice ground to go to so it was only going to go one way with him here. The mood around the club is totally transformed, the football has brought the fans together and the players look happier. If it wasn't for Kane we would have struggled a lot more, he really helped carry us under Conte. Now we are playing our best football without Kane which would not have happened under Conte because we couldn't play it with him. If you were happy with Conte last season then you're in the minority. I can't imagine how any true Spurs fan can to be honest but everyone has their own views.

 

[mil1lion]

Gut wrenching defeat against Villa, on the back of two other soul destroying defeats. But in a weird sort of way that performance and selection against Villa really shows the manager we've got.

The only game I was truly pissed off about was the Wolves game, and that's only because I felt we didn't do enough to earn the win.

We battered Villa and we lost, so be it.

The way he blooded talents, refused to play Dier and Hoijberg. Even when Hoijberg came on and performed well (imo) he has everyone motivated.

I am truly all in now. Let's go to City and ATTACK. But for the love of God sign a another CB in January.

It's early, but I really do believe we have a world class manager, in the Ferguson ilk. Not so much style but, his firm belief in himself and his principles, and they line up so well with what Spurs represents - attack.

For me it was the response to the Wolves game that was most satisfying. I was worried we would line up with Dier and Hojbjerg again. He dropped Dier and Hojbjerg which felt like he was on the same page as the fans about those 2.

 

[Led's Zeppelin]

I can only speak for myself - I am not pining for anyone - I am pointing out that it would be unfair to judge Ange on the last three defeats becuase of the red cards / injuries - yes we played well yesterday with a make shift team - but we were rubbish the week before at Wolves. So which performance do we judge Ange on?

Ultimately you should judge a manager on results, taking into account the squad he has at his dispoal compared to other teams.

If Ange has a better sqaud than say Conte it is right to expect him to do better than Conte. If Ange has a squad that is worse than Contes I would not be criticising Ange if he does not get us top 4.

Conte got this lot into the top 4 - which I think is an under appreciated acheivement. How many of us would 'pine' to have that squad now over the one that Ange has got?

Loris / Gollini
Emerson / Doherty
Romero / Sanchez / Dier / Rodon / Tanganga
Davies / Reguilon
PEH / Skipp / Bentancur / Winks
Kane / Son / Kulusevski / Moura / Bergwijn

Crucially, Conte had Kane.

And that evens things up.

Aside from that though, I believe that Spurs are playing better now than they were under Conte, and have only lost the last three because of a ridiculous bout of absences.

I'm more positive about our football and our prospects now, even the way they played with the depleted team he had to put out against Villa, than at almost any time under Conte.

 

[McFlash]

The best predictor of future behaviour is past behaviour.

When it comes to Daniel Levy backing a manager.....

I'll believe it when I see it.

This is the same dude that when Poch wanted Mane, we ended up with Sissoko.

Wasn't Mane due to his wage demands? And Sissoko wasn't so much an alternative, more a good old fashioned panic buy just to get a warm body in.
To be fair to Sissoko though, he really wasn't that bad during his time with us.

 

[Japhet]

The best predictor of future behaviour is past behaviour.

When it comes to Daniel Levy backing a manager.....

I'll believe it when I see it.

This is the same dude that when Poch wanted Mane, we ended up with Sissoko.

Poch also wanted LoCelso and Ndombele, and got both, but by then he was in full sulk and self sabotage mode. I'm glad he didn't back Mourinho or Conte though because we'd have a squad full of geriatrics now.

 

[coys761]

It's disheartening to witness this persistent inclination to seek out negatives, whether it's directed at Ange's progress in shaping our playing style or Levy's substantial contributions to the club's development. It feels like, at times, people forget the immense strides we've made as a club.

There's a clear tendency to overlook the positives, the progress we've made in playing style under Ange, and the infrastructural developments led by Levy.

The challenges we're facing today seem, in part, rooted in what appears to be a wave of ungrateful news and criticism from so-called fans. Amidst the achievements and progress, it's disheartening to see negativity overshadowing the contributions of individuals like DL, who have played a pivotal role in elevating Tottenham Hotspur. Let's collectively refocus on the positives, appreciate the journey, and support the club through both triumphs and trials.

 

[thePessimist]

It's disheartening to witness this persistent inclination to seek out negatives, whether it's directed at Ange's progress in shaping our playing style or Levy's substantial contributions to the club's development. It feels like, at times, people forget the immense strides we've made as a club.

There's a clear tendency to overlook the positives, the progress we've made in playing style under Ange, and the infrastructural developments led by Levy.

The challenges we're facing today seem, in part, rooted in what appears to be a wave of ungrateful news and criticism from so-called fans. Amidst the achievements and progress, it's disheartening to see negativity overshadowing the contributions of individuals like DL, who have played a pivotal role in elevating Tottenham Hotspur. Let's collectively refocus on the positives, appreciate the journey, and support the club through both triumphs and trials.

I think people have every right to be critical about levy, while also appreciating the positive vibes and progress we’re making under Ange