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Manager Watch: Ange Postecoglou

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Silky Skills

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Over 90 minutes we couldn't beat Tamworth, we have taken 5 from 27 points ........................ yes Levy and Enic are the core problem but Ange simply is not good enough, even if he is nice bloke and crack a joke during press conferences.
 

NickHSpurs

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He looked broken in the post-match last night. Again as others have said, not sure what the answer is to who we'd replace him with.

Perhaps Levy is waiting to see what happens with Carlo Ancelotti but can't see us convincing him to come here.
 

Albertbarich

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I think Ange has to go but I’m really sad.

Im reading the book about him by Vince Rugari right now and our manager is a trailblazer. He adores football and has done well everywhere he has been. The book tells stories like how he had the balls to walk away from a World Cup run that he had earned , he transformed clubs and speaks with such eloquence and passion you can’t help but love him.

But it also tells a story of an immensely stubborn and proud man that has a self belief that borders on arrogance at times.

I look at our squad and it has gaping holes in it, but out of all of our players how many are we playing to their strengths? Son? Lost out wide. Johnson? I have no idea what he is supposed to be. Bissouma, Bentancour? They look broken , fragile footballers.

This maybe hyperbole but I don’t think that kids aside he is getting the best out of a single player right now or should I say more accurately playing to their strengths. And the kids he has been forced into playing.

we play a system so dependent on widemen and yet ours are incredibly ineffective to the point where I think we have all had enough of them. Since the day he arrived it’s been clear we need a defensively minded option in the midfield, but he seemingly isn’t interested in one . That’s two/theee crucial positions in this system that I think we have totally misprofiled.
He says we don’t want to block young players but the defensive cover is killing him and irrespective of who plays full back it’s the same system. It’s madness?
i feel for the man but this can’t continue.
 

mattylad77

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Ange seems like a down to earth fella, who after a long time in the game, has got to manage in the Premier League, which has to be seen as a great achievement, especially coming a country that's not traditionally seen as a footballing nation, so fair play to him for getting himself to the position he finds himself in. He's made enough money to never work again, and his family are rightly very proud of him. So, on the basis, I'd be sad to see him go but not sad to see him go based upon his track record with us. It's the same every game and it's been worked out. The Tamworth game was the pinnacle for me - that was a shocking performance but it wasn't a surprise.

Insanity is doing the same thing over and over again and expecting different results. It's not working, it hasn't worked for a long time, and he's not going to change, that much is clear, so it can really only end one way as far as I can see. Levy ain't going anywhere, you can't sack the players, so the manager will always pay the price.
 

mil1lion

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May 7, 2004
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In all honestly how much difference would VDV and a wantaway Romero make to this team. Aside from those and a very unreliable Bentancur that's pretty much our first choice 11 out there.
A huge difference. Gray is not coping well as a centre back in terms of the positioning. Dragusin is out on his feet. Having those back also has the knock on of Gray moving to midfield assuming Ange does that. My main concern is the inverted full backs. I just don't think it will ever work. Still think the system Poch used would work best with Gray in the 6 role splitting the centre backs and fullbacks overlapping the wide attackers.
 

Rout-Ledge

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He looked broken in the post-match last night. Again as others have said, not sure what the answer is to who we'd replace him with.

Perhaps Levy is waiting to see what happens with Carlo Ancelotti but can't see us convincing him to come here.
Would be the wrong appointment even if he wanted to come. We need a young (max 45) ‘step up’ manager who’s hungry and wants to progress up the ladder. Modern approach, willing to learn, top league experience required but not necessarily top clubs or PL.
 

kcfiifotk

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Aug 27, 2005
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I like Ange, blah di blah. So what.

No point in changing manager again. Rinse and repeat. Nothing changes until ENIC have gone, blah di blah...

He's been really unfortunate with injuries. The players are running on empty, blah di blah...

And I agree with all of that. But...

I just don't see it with this guy. I see nothing at all that makes me think he's got it.

After the first 10 games of last season it's been dreadful. At least we entertained at the start. Went down fighting. Playing "The Spurs Way". Now we don't even do that.

I think the injury situation is masking the fact that he just isn't up to the job. It's Christian Gross all over again. He's supposed to be the great attacking manager. Ange's style of football, and all that.

We're clueless. All our goals are the same. Low cross from the left, tap in at the back post. And everyone else has realised it.

I can't believe that another manager couldn't get a better tune out of this squad, even with the injuries.

But... I also don't think there's any point in changing manager now. I don't think we will be relegated, just. But only because there are at least 3 teams worse than us. I don't think it will be comfortable, though. And lose the next two and I might change my mind. I suspect Levy might too.

So I think we might as well give him until the end of the season. See what happens when, if, we get anything like the first team out on the pitch and pray that those of us who doubt him are made to eat humble pie.

It's an unfamiliar feeling for a Spurs fan, optimism. But I'm trying. I'm just not sure I'm really convincing myself.
 

Trix

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Jul 29, 2004
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He looked broken in the post-match last night. Again as others have said, not sure what the answer is to who we'd replace him with.

Perhaps Levy is waiting to see what happens with Carlo Ancelotti but can't see us convincing him to come here.
Ha ha ha. Need to get your head out of the clouds. Firstly he wouldn't want the job other than if we gave him ridiculous money and secondly he's no better fit for Enic than the last 4 managers.
 

E17yid

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My take on this is that a defeat guarantees him the sack, a draw puts him in very serious danger of it (and may depend on the nature of the performance). Win and he lives to fight another day.
Yeah maybe, I just think a draw, while obviously preferable to a loss, doesn’t really do much for him/us. It’ll be 6 points from our last 10 games and if results went against us we could, in a worst case scenario, be 3 points off the drop.

I honestly think it’s kind of mad he wasn’t sacked months ago as the writing has been on the wall for a while and, tbh, even if we beat Everton and manage to get some patchy form back between now and the end of the season it just feels like he’ll be gone in the summer anyway (obviously that is still what I’d like to see happen as it will mean our results have got better firstly which is the most important thing but it’ll also mean we don’t have to have a interim manager which is shit) so it just feels like even in a best case scenario we’re treading water until we make a change in the summer.

For all the talk of “the players are behind him” I didn’t see much of that last night and like the body language experts I’m not sure why everyone was so convinced everyone is still fully brought into what Ange is doing.
 

Real_madyidd

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Oct 25, 2004
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I kind of always loved Ange. My kind of bloke, someone I could really get on with.

Then I wake up with the hump today and I’m reading he’s upset that we were too passive and players like Bissouma and Sarr were letting them set the tempo. He was stood there on the sidelines with his hands in his pockets glaring at them. He always stands there on the sidelines with his hands in his pockets glaring at them. He pissed me off last night and he’s pissed me off this morning now. He better start getting results as players return or I’ll be jumping right there on the bandwagon. And as for wanting the terrific teenagers to feel bad about the performance along with the rest of the team, bollocks to that. Don’t knock it out of them, they’re our future - long after Postecoglou has gone.

Sounds like you hate pockets. Why do you hate pockets?
 

snakehipsspurs

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Many might not like it, but unless we lose every game between now and the league cup semi second leg there is no way he’s getting sacked before then.
Levy has been taking pelters for years about the timing of Jose’s sacking and how ‘incompetent’ that was, he won’t make the mistake again. The run to that semi has been outstanding and he deserves the chance to fight for the trophy no matter what way you think about his future imo.
 

sidford

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Oct 20, 2003
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It's not down to individual results IMO.
We're way past individual results. Look at his record over his term here and judge him from that.
Very few managers who people are only one result away from the sack don't tend to last never mind go on and prove successful. Yea there's fergie and a few others down the years but that's ignoring the hundreds that don't.
 

feet01

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Ha ha ha. Need to get your head out of the clouds. Firstly he wouldn't want the job other than if we gave him ridiculous money and secondly he's no better fit for Enic than the last 4 managers.
Just out of curiosity, as I agree with you, but what sort of profile manager should we be looking at that fits our ‘model’?
 

Metalhead

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Nov 24, 2013
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What do you think it’s down to? How close to the relegation zone we get?
I think that it's the board sensing whether we are going in the right direction. Say we win our next game and then lose the following one? Is it then down to the subsequent result?
 

E17yid

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Many might not like it, but unless we lose every game between now and the league cup semi second leg there is no way he’s getting sacked before then.
Levy has been taking pelters for years about the timing of Jose’s sacking and how ‘incompetent’ that was, he won’t make the mistake again. The run to that semi has been outstanding and he deserves the chance to fight for the trophy no matter what way you think about his future imo.
Lose every game you say? I think we can manage that.
 

brasil_spur

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Aug 25, 2006
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Wow, can’t believe people in here today. We just played Arsenal away and lost 2-1 despite A) having a massively weakened team and B) having a team with players who are all overplayed right now and in need of a rest.

Last night should have been a fee hit game for Ange, we never win there under the current circumstances.

Furthermore he has been asking for forward reinforcements and clearly we need either a new CB to allow Gray to move into 6 or a player that can come in at 6.

Of course he’s still under pressure, and I agree he really needs a win against Everton, but for me nothing has changed with last nights game.
 
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