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Manager Watch: Ange Postecoglou

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mil1lion

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May 7, 2004
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I'm guessing the criteria might also be don't get anyone better than Son and restrict his minutes...

If I was the cynical type.
He plays on the right. I guess having Kulusevski they were maybe thinking we just need a homegrown player to compete with him. They wouldn't have anticipated Kulusevski playing as much central as he is lately.
 

only1waddle

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He plays on the right. I guess having Kulusevski they were maybe thinking we just need a homegrown player to compete with him. They wouldn't have anticipated Kulusevski playing as much central as he is lately.

I should have stated Werner, as the post referenced him.

I'm aware Johnson plays on the right.
 

Trix

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Why are you bringing up the Coventry game when we've since beaten City, Utd and 1 leg against Liverpool. Were you still complaining about our opening games of CL when we were in the final too?
Because I use it(along with other games) in the same way as other posters use our good performances as examples when we play poorly. You know, when I get criticised of being "knee jerk" after a loss despite having voiced the same concerns for well over a year. It's good to point out there have been a good number of shitty performances because generally speaking those shouting out "knee jerk" are the ones ignoring everything that's been said before the post mortem of the latest game.
 

cliff jones

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Based on your recent posting history, I doubt anyone is taking a blind bit of notice of you, tbh.
Ha

So you think that was acceptable from Ange and the team he picked and coached etc?

Hair's breadth from the worst result in the Club's modern history. Abject and desperate were just two words used by the Beeb to describe the performance.

Ange, his backroom team, and all who stepped on that pitch should donate a week's wage to Tamworth- they deserved the replay or more on the day and its a travesty the FA mafe the decision it did.

Oh, and Levy and his board can chip in, too
 

Snarfalicious

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Jul 15, 2012
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Honestly sick of every game being treated like some deep psychological expose on the meaning of life

Yar. We won. Didn’t play great, but won. Got to see a fucking guy throw a football super far, he even held a baby at one point. Tamworth played hard, the players we knew aren’t good enough weren’t good enough again. If we lost, it’d be one thing, but we won ugly and in the end moving on is all that matters right now.
 

kmk

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I understand the sentiment of this video, and I’d be fully on this page if we were about 5 months into the project. But we’re 18 months in. How long are these “teething issues” supposed to go on for?!
Alex Ferguson took 3 years before he won his first trophy.
 

jay2040

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Aug 31, 2012
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I wondered what it would be like in here.......................................................................................................

No way did I expect the amount of dislike for our manager and players despite winning the game...
So if we had been brilliant and won easily would you be happy????????
NAH cos they're a non league team we should do this or that!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!


WINNING THE GAME IS WHAT MATTERS it's knock out competition and we're still in it albeit Villa way next round.

Much point in asking a question and then only to answer it yourself!
 

hughy

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If in 37 years of supporting us, the most embarrassing result you've ever seen is a game we ended up winning, Im questioning either your memory or whether you're indeed a Spurs fan.

We have a history of embarrassing results that we actually lost.

Drawing 0-0 to Tamworth in 90 minutes was awful, but let's not go overboard.
I can usually tell the embarrassment of a result by how many of my ****y mates/workmates message me after the game. I got 1 "👀" emoji at the end of the 90, but absolutely no messages at full time apart from a few passing comments in a group chat about how we got away with one, which I'd agree with.

I'd say we just about managed to spare any real embarrassment.
 

Metalhead

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I can usually tell the embarrassment of a result by how many of my ****y mates/workmates message me after the game. I got 1 "👀" emoji at the end of the 90, but absolutely no messages at full time apart from a few passing comments in a group chat about how we got away with one, which I'd agree with.

I'd say we just about managed to spare any real embarrassment.
Same for me albeit probably helped by the chaps on my group are all Newcastle fans and were playing Bromley so didn't want to comment before they played them. It is what it is - we won, we move on.
 

PaulM

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I can usually tell the embarrassment of a result by how many of my ****y mates/workmates message me after the game. I got 1 "👀" emoji at the end of the 90, but absolutely no messages at full time apart from a few passing comments in a group chat about how we got away with one, which I'd agree with.

I'd say we just about managed to spare any real embarrassment.
We got away without humiliation but there was a lot to be concerned about. For me, some players looked to have gone out and thought they just needed to show up. Their attitude stank which manifested itself in some of the things they were trying. Extra touches, poor passes, little flicks. All those little things added up to near humiliation and that’s not acceptable and that’s on the manager IMO.

I also thought Ange had a shocker in the interview after. “It’s hard to score goals no matter who you are playing.” You’ve got top class international players on millions a year playing against lads who train twice a week a work proper jobs 40 hours a week. Yesterday was not acceptable and comments like that mean Ange is abrogating responsibility.

We got through. Great. But it wasn’t acceptable and several players and the manager need to look in the mirror.
 

keithtighe93

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I understand people clamouring for Dorrington and Lanskshear, but I look at it and think the manager sees them every day and understands where they're at technically, mentally and physically and has all the information about them whereas we have none. Everyone was slagging him last year for not picking Donley but it's taken Jamie half a season to get in the Orient side so he was palpably not ready to play PL football.

I tend to think it would be easy for a manager to throw the kids in as you can't really blamed if it doesn't work out, but not selecting them is generally a willingness to protect young players from exposure that they're not ready for.

Nail on the head.

What young players have we ever let go that were good enough?

You see the odd rumour with links to Edwards or Cirkin, but they'd be subs.

Bottom line is most of your youth players won't be good enough, but if they are they'll play, ala Mikey.
 

Gassin's finest

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Alex Ferguson took 3 years before he won his first trophy.
Everyone says this. Forgetting it was the 80s when there was more patience, and managers stayed at clubs longer. But even then, they finished 2nd in his first full season. Won the FA Cup in his 3rd. Cup Winners Cup in his 4th. Inaugural Premier League in his 5th. He'd won 11 trophies at Aberdeen in a league even then dominated by 2 clubs.

Its not like Man Utd were taking a punt on him. He very much earned his time and backing.
 

kmk

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Everyone says this. Forgetting it was the 80s when there was more patience, and managers stayed at clubs longer. But even then, they finished 2nd in his first full season. Won the FA Cup in his 3rd. Cup Winners Cup in his 4th. Inaugural Premier League in his 5th. He'd won 11 trophies at Aberdeen in a league even then dominated by 2 clubs.

Its not like Man Utd were taking a punt on him. He very much earned his time and backing.
There was no guarantee that Fergie was going to be successful at Man Utd, just like Van Gaal, Mourinho and Ten Hag couldn’t bring success.

Fergie was under a lot of pressure and it was Mark Robins late goals in the FA Cup run which saved his job.

If we get rid of Ange now, there isn’t anyone available who can bring us guaranteed success with the resources available.
 

PLTuck

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Aug 22, 2006
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I always find the concept of embarrassment after a loss or bad performance really odd from fans. Only people that should be embarrassed are those that have some influence over it, ie the players and staff.

But being embarrassed after an admittedly difficult win in a knockout game is a new one on me. Even if we lost to Tamworth 8-0 I wouldn't have been personally embarrassed because well why would I? Nothing I can do about it. I swear Social Media has made football fans the most precious and flaky people on the planet.

Fine, it was a poor attacking performance but we got through to the next round which is ultimately all that matters in a knockout game.
 

jakuba

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Nail on the head.

What young players have we ever let go that were good enough?

You see the odd rumour with links to Edwards or Cirkin, but they'd be subs.

Bottom line is most of your youth players won't be good enough, but if they are they'll play, ala Mikey.
By and large I agree, I do have a hint of wondering “what if” for the crop we had early in Poch’s tenure on, KWP, Onomah and Edwards if we’d handled them differently if they’d have developed differently.

But then as you said - were they good enough to justify the minutes, especially when were going for the title? Probably not, KWP got the most first team minutes of them all and has had the best career to date of them all, and that has been as a solid fixture of a team that’s bounced between the championship and premier league for the past few seasons. Edwards has been a decent player in Portugal but not sure he’ll make the step up to the premier league and Onomah has fallen off the face of the earth. Would a few more games when they were teenagers have made the difference to be good enough for us now, let alone back then?

As much as there is a need to give kids minutes to develop. The ones that make it are the ones that are good enough to actually play in the first place. Moore is already looking a viable option on the left wing for us - in part to how poor our wingers have been this year but still has undeniable quality - Sarr, Gray and Bergvall have just stepped right in to being 1st team players with minimal phasing required. Obviously players develop at different rates and we’d know that more than anyone else with how Kane worked out. But that is an exception and not the rule at all, not to mention Kane still broke through for us when he was 21 which is incredibly young. We have definitely shown that if players are good enough they’ll play, and if they’re not they won’t and ultimately are unlikely to make it.
 
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