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Manager Watch: Ange Postecoglou

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Hazelton

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Whatever reason Dorrington and Lankshear didn't play, I very much doubt it's because they weren't ready. I understand the argument in the Premier League but not the National League, if they aren't ready for that level then they would've been released a long time ago.

I think if we'd been comfortably up, both come on. Just didn't turn out that way.
 

Wearegoingtowintheleague

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No. I’m 37 and this is the most embarrassing result I’ve ever seen

If in 37 years of supporting us, the most embarrassing result you've ever seen is a game we ended up winning, Im questioning either your memory or whether you're indeed a Spurs fan.

We have a history of embarrassing results that we actually lost.

Drawing 0-0 to Tamworth in 90 minutes was awful, but let's not go overboard.
 

Mister Jez

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I know? I said I've not watched the game I asked for someone to tell me what the issues are. Is it normal for a full strength prem team to be 0 0 with a national league team who are 16th in their division?
It is, if you've got Timo freaking Werner leading the line...
 

Mr Pink

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It's not.

They aren't good enough/ready to play against a NL side so we should send them to a league one or two side instead? Lol.

They played against mens teams in the EFL trophy for the 21's and they weren't miles off it so why the fuck would they be against a NL team?

Yeah I did think it was extremely strange Lankshear, in particular, didn't start.

And even stranger to play Werner through the middle.

All ifs and buts, but maybe a more balanced front three sees us win that in the 90
 

jakuba

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If in 37 years of supporting us, the most embarrassing result you've ever seen is a game we ended up winning, Im questioning either your memory or whether you're indeed a Spurs fan.

We have a history of embarrassing results that we actually lost.

Drawing 0-0 to Tamworth in 90 minutes was awful, but let's not go overboard.
Exactly, teams have these sorts of stinkers in them. Arsenal got beat by Bradford years back, West Ham were within seconds of getting knocked out vs Kidderminster 2 years ago, but ultimately they won so nobody remembers it.

Sure this wouldn’t happen to some teams and of course it’ll feel like it happens to us more than others seeing as we’ll pay the most attention to spurs, remember when it does and care more when it does.

But ultimately we got through without any injuries, against a team bang up for it, on a difficult pitch, when we’re down to the bare bones. Yes we should absolutely hammer them on paper and it’s crap we made such a meal of today. But as soon as we put our best players out there we killed them in 30 minutes.

I’m sure Ange will be noting the poor performances from those who didn’t step up and be speaking with Lange on how to replace them. That - and getting to the 4th round - is all we can hope for.

Despite trying to take the positives, I still recognise there’s worrying signs going into the Arsenal game. Think people are rightfully concerned about that game on today’s showing and with how inconsistent we’ve been all season. But Wednesday is a new game and today won’t matter as soon as it kicks off so hopefully we can pick up from where we left off vs Liverpool rather than how we did today.
 

thebenjamin

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He wanted Johnson and Werner!

Well on Johnson we had to sign a home grown forward because of the situation our terrible squad building over many years had left us in, we couldn't sign anyone from abroad. And Forest were in psr trouble so it was a distressed seller which is DL's favorite. I have no doubt Ange likes Johnson, but the criteria for the signing were - a home grown forward with a distressed seller because the season starts in a few days and Kane has just left and the club made no plan to replace him. So I'm not really sure how many home grown forwards there were available that we could do a deal for in a couple of days.

Werner yeah he signed him, but again I guess that was under the criteria that we were buying dragusin that January and there was no, money available for a forward, we were ridiculously light in numbers, so who could we get for nothing.

It's not like Ange picked Johnson and Werner out of a pool of anyone. It was within very narrow criteria of what the club could actually provide him.
 

only1waddle

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Well on Johnson we had to sign a home grown forward because of the situation our terrible squad building over many years had left us in, we couldn't sign anyone from abroad. And Forest were in psr trouble so it was a distressed seller which is DL's favorite. I have no doubt Ange likes Johnson, but the criteria for the signing were - a home grown forward with a distressed seller because the season starts in a few days and Kane has just left and the club made no plan to replace him. So I'm not really sure how many home grown forwards there were available that we could do a deal for in a couple of days.

Werner yeah he signed him, but again I guess that was under the criteria that we were buying dragusin that January and there was no, money available for a forward, we were ridiculously light in numbers, so who could we get for nothing.

It's not like Ange picked Johnson and Werner out of a pool of anyone. It was within very narrow criteria of what the club could actually provide him.

I'm guessing the criteria might also be don't get anyone better than Son and restrict his minutes...

If I was the cynical type.
 

jakuba

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Well on Johnson we had to sign a home grown forward because of the situation our terrible squad building over many years had left us in, we couldn't sign anyone from abroad. And Forest were in psr trouble so it was a distressed seller which is DL's favorite. I have no doubt Ange likes Johnson, but the criteria for the signing were - a home grown forward with a distressed seller because the season starts in a few days and Kane has just left and the club made no plan to replace him. So I'm not really sure how many home grown forwards there were available that we could do a deal for in a couple of days.

Werner yeah he signed him, but again I guess that was under the criteria that we were buying dragusin that January and there was no, money available for a forward, we were ridiculously light in numbers, so who could we get for nothing.

It's not like Ange picked Johnson and Werner out of a pool of anyone. It was within very narrow criteria of what the club could actually provide him.
The context for both signings at the time of signing is so essential and as tempting as it is to use their current form as a stick to beat Ange with given the circumstances at the time neither looked terrible deals.

As you mentioned for Johnson we needed a forward who was homegrown. Realistically out of who was available Johnson arguably had the highest upside having looked good in Forest’s promotion season before knocking in 10 goals in all competitions for Forest in his first season in the premier league as a 21 year old, numbers Eze didn’t hit till his 3rd season in the premier league. Johnson maybe wasn’t the most fashionable or high profile name out there but he was definitely one of the better young talents available in that position - hence why Atletico were trying to sign him for 40 odd million too.

Werner in January also made sense for a 6 month loan. As you said given we were prioritising getting Dragusin in as defence was where needed someone more. I find it harder to argue the re-signing was a sensible decision in the circumstances but I’d imagine it was not the plan for him to play this much. But again I think if that was the case then maybe they shouldn’t have re-signed him.

In both cases, given the circumstances I’m not sure who different Ange could have picked who would have made a bigger impact. Yes both are incredibly frustrating but so is the whole team, at least in Johnson’s case he’s notched up nearly a goal every other game for us this season at only 23 in what has been an incredibly inconsistent and at times dysfunctional team. Potentially he’s somewhere we could improve on, but right now there’s bigger issues in the squad needing fixed and I’m glad Ange signed off on him more than I’m not.
 

Rout-Ledge

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If in 37 years of supporting us, the most embarrassing result you've ever seen is a game we ended up winning, Im questioning either your memory or whether you're indeed a Spurs fan.

We have a history of embarrassing results that we actually lost.

Drawing 0-0 to Tamworth in 90 minutes was awful, but let's not go overboard.
I’m 35 and for me it’s without question the cup game we lost to City at home (when they were shit) after being 3-0 up at half time with City down to 10 men. I doubt that will ever be ‘beaten’.
 

rossdapep

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I understand people clamouring for Dorrington and Lanskshear, but I look at it and think the manager sees them every day and understands where they're at technically, mentally and physically and has all the information about them whereas we have none. Everyone was slagging him last year for not picking Donley but it's taken Jamie half a season to get in the Orient side so he was palpably not ready to play PL football.

I tend to think it would be easy for a manager to throw the kids in as you can't really blamed if it doesn't work out, but not selecting them is generally a willingness to protect young players from exposure that they're not ready for.
Exactly!

The fact that Ange spent big money in Gray and was prepared to commit to Bergvall and also throw Moore in quickly (gave him a pathway this season) tells you that he has some markers for when a player is ready to start games for us.

My feeling is Dorrington is far off it and he doesn't want to just throw him in unless it's absolutely desperation time.

Lankshear. Reckon he thought he was up to it but has seen something that made him hold back a bit.

You need to hold back some players a little, Especially if not physically ready, because you may give them the belief they've made it when they haven't.
 

beats1

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Before the game Ange was getting slagged for going too strong, now people are slagging him for not going strong enough. The squad of forward players he's dealing with is objectively very poor, no amount of rotation is going to change that.
The truth imo, is counter intuitive you need to rotate(to have fresh legs), some first team players(quality and continuity) and some youth players(players who want to prove themselves and will work hard) to get you through the early rounds
As I said the solution is counter intuitive:
You need to rotate include some of the second 11(to have fresh legs):
Some first team players(quality and continuity)
Some youth players(players who want to prove themselves and will work hard)

To get you through the early rounds

I have seen a front 3 of Bale, Kane and Son get knocked out by Dinamo Zagreb despite being 2-0 up with 30mins to go
I have seen countless spurs upsets

This isn't even an Ange problem, this is a spurs problem, he is just repeating the mistakes of managers past
 

mil1lion

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Well hopefully no one gets too mad when I keep bringing it up like I do the Coventry game in the league cup amongst others.
Why are you bringing up the Coventry game when we've since beaten City, Utd and 1 leg against Liverpool. Were you still complaining about our opening games of CL when we were in the final too?
 

Matrix

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I’m 35 and for me it’s without question the cup game we lost to City at home (when they were shit) after being 3-0 up at half time with City down to 10 men. I doubt that will ever be ‘beaten’.
I was there for that one. Sitting in the North Stand behind the goal. Last minute goal by City. Anelka got sent off at halftime and Shaun Wright Philips tore us a new one. Ginger Pele had a mare that game. Nothing will ever come close to that nightmare.
 
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