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Manager Watch: Ange Postecoglou

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fishhhandaricecake

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Agreed.
The current conversations surrounding Ange seem to be dominated by revisionism and excuses. At present, injuries are being cited as the primary reason for the team’s struggles, which I agree is a valid and significant factor. However, the sheer volume of injuries we’ve faced raises questions about deeper underlying issues, perhaps related to training, conditioning, or squad management.

What frustrates me is how quickly the narrative has shifted. Not long ago, we were just a few points off 2nd, 3rd, or 4th place as you say. Now, we’re in 12th, and some fans seem to have accepted this as inevitable or even justified. Worse, there’s now talk of framing our squad as “mid-table quality,” with claims that clubs like Nottingham Forest, Bournemouth, or Fulham have better squads. In reality, these teams are thriving due to well-coached systems and tactics tailored to their strengths, not because their players are inherently better.

When our injured players return, I fear the excuses will simply evolve. If inconsistency continues, the blame will likely shift to injuries to the front line, the youthfulness of the squad, claims that the players need more time to mature, or the absence of certain key signings and calling for patience until the next transfer window prolonging this cycle.

To be clear, I am not calling for a managerial change. I want Ange to succeed because his success directly benefits Tottenham, and that’s what ultimately matters to me, regardless of who is in charge. However, I struggle to understand why some fans are so unwaveringly loyal to him despite the alarming trajectory of our form, both with and without injuries. What’s more, anyone who offers a differing opinion or constructive criticism is often shut down.

I’m more than willing to support a long-term project if there’s tangible progress and a clear vision for the future. What I can’t get behind is blind faith in a process that seems to be causing more harm than good. My only request is for Ange to make slight adjustments, particularly to address our defensive vulnerabilities, while maintaining the attacking philosophy. Without these tweaks, it’s difficult to believe we’ll reverse the concerning trends we’re currently seeing.
Great post although I don’t think there is a lot of ‘blind faith’ as you claim regarding Ange moreso that there are many conflicting and constantly changing factors which effect our form and outlook under Ange so opinions are constantly changing and evolving as new evidence emerges.

Not blind faith but yes many of our fans want this project and Ange to succeed so when positive signs emerge it fuels optimism in the project which is great and so it should.

We saw what a huge difference just one top level great fit, allbeit 21yr old made to our overall performance as a team, with more time and patience and hopefully more signings to bring the squad to where Ange needs it to be, this project could really kick onto another level.
 

mil1lion

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He's actually the perfect fit for us because if he can win something not only does it shut up the doubters about him but also us as a club. Our trophy drought and his first crack at a big league after many years fighting for recognition from the other part of the world. Plus if he does it then it will be with style befitting of the Tottenham way. Not like the likes of Jose and Conte who had big egos and typically seen as too big for us by many yet not our way. It's a good underdog story both for club and manager.
 

thebenjamin

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He's prickly at times with good reason.

Some of these pundits and journos have dismissed him from day one. People like Gary Neville accused him of just copying Pep with the full backs.

Carragher is quick to tell Ange his way won't work (despite never coaching).

He gets asked the same irritating question about his system every week.

He got the same question for weeks about set pieces and he tried to tell them it's just one aspect of organising a team.

He's had people say he doesn't have tactics.

He's had people call him naive (despite coaching for 20+ years)

He's had people belittle him because he is from Australia - a non-footballing nation.

So you can forgive him for biting and giving it back or being prickly during defeat because he feels like his whole existence as a coach is being questioned.

You would do too in your job.

What they don't realise is, this all feeds him to show them they are wrong and gives him more fuel to succeed.

I bloody hope he does.

One thing I've been pleasantly surprised by is that, from the outside at least, the club does actually seem quite aligned and behind the manager. Normally there's whispers leaking, journalists being briefed and counter-briefed. That may be completely wrong and Collecott and Cullen are whispering in Levy's door that Ange is making them look bad, but there appears a certain calmness and acceptance that we need to just work through this period.
 

McFlash

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To be fair, we’ve had lots of pro Ange people trashing our players and squad for the last few months.
That's just the internet and especially player threads on here, there will always be someone taking things too far for attention.
People seem to like to stand out by having "extreme" views, maybe it's the only way they feel heard?

It's part of the fun though, football is an emotional game and some people are just angry little warriors who can't control themselves from one day to the next.
 

McFlash

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One thing I've been pleasantly surprised by is that, from the outside at least, the club does actually seem quite aligned and behind the manager. Normally there's whispers leaking, journalists being briefed and counter-briefed. That may be completely wrong and Collecott and Cullen are whispering in Levy's door that Ange is making them look bad, but there appears a certain calmness and acceptance that we need to just work through this period.
Plus there have been no whispers about unhappy players, his training being too easy/hard/boring.

Just watching the bench reaction from Sarr, Richy and everyone for Bergvall's goal tells a story of how together they all are.




Personally, I blame Winks. :cautious:
 

E17yid

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That's just the internet and especially player threads on here, there will always be someone taking things too far for attention.
People seem to like to stand out by having "extreme" views, maybe it's the only way they feel heard?

It's part of the fun though, football is an emotional game and some people are just angry little warriors who can't control themselves from one day to the next.
Exactly. We all want what’s best for spurs we just have different views on how to achieve it. All part of the fun though.
 

Timbo Tottenham

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Beni

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Great post although I don’t think there is a lot of ‘blind faith’ as you claim regarding Ange moreso that there are many conflicting and constantly changing factors which effect our form and outlook under Ange so opinions are constantly changing and evolving as new evidence emerges.

Not blind faith but yes many of our fans want this project and Ange to succeed so when positive signs emerge it fuels optimism in the project which is great and so it should.

We saw what a huge difference just one top level great fit, allbeit 21yr old made to our overall performance as a team, with more time and patience and hopefully more signings to bring the squad to where Ange needs it to be, this project could really kick onto another level.
I can see yours and others perspective, and true that opinions can evolve as new evidence emerges. However, the optimism surrounding Ange does sometimes lean into blind faith when viewed through the lens of success in the Premier League. While there are encouraging signs, we don’t yet have any track record to definitively say that this project will succeed at this level in this league.

Yes, the positive impact of key players and a clear vision is undeniable, but success in the Premier League isn’t just about flashes of quality, it’s about sustained consistency, especially against a backdrop of relentless competition and shifting circumstances. Patience and time are essential, as is providing Ange with the resources to shape the squad to his vision, but it’s also important to acknowledge that until we see sustained success, it’s a leap of faith to assume this project will work out long-term when it’s been 18 months in.

The hope and belief are great to see, but until that optimism is underpinned by consistent results, it’s fair to question whether we’re putting too much faith in something that hasn’t yet proven itself at this level. That doesn’t mean the project can’t succeed, only that it’s reasonable to wait for more concrete evidence before fully buying in.

But anyway, regardless of my doubts, I’m fully behind and supportive of him. If he can get us performing and playing like we did consistently, then I will definitely see us being capable of success.
 

Donki

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I wonder how much of a difference having a GK like Kinsky means to this.

Ange threw him straight in and it can't be a coincidence went longer more.

Secondly Porro is probably our best long range passer and he was sitting deeper so perhaps Ange has realised that too.
If he really does realise this, things looking up!
 

cliff jones

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If anything, fans have literally been complaining that too high a proportion of our business is this type of signing, with not enough focus on immediate impact signings. We're actually very good at this since around the time Paratici took over - Kinsky, Spence, Dragusin, Van de Ven, Vuskovic, Udogie, Gray, Bergvall, Sarr, Yang, Odobert. All signed at the age of 21 or younger (bar Micky who was 22).
Yep- because wewere left 2 or 3 short given qualification for Europa. The injury crisis has exposed this. Ideally we'd have signed more established quality but even an upcoming, quick LCB and LB would have allowed us continuity - our first choices,are injury prone whether we like it or not.

Ange has stumbled into using Spence and Bergvall who are helping to make us a bit more competitive again, but this window needs to round off what they should have done by August.

You snooze, in this league, you get eaten up. We're bottom half and not just because of injuries.

You fall out of Europe as others have said, you've then got a squad for four comps but you're only in three...
 

fishhhandaricecake

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He's actually the perfect fit for us because if he can win something not only does it shut up the doubters about him but also us as a club. Our trophy drought and his first crack at a big league after many years fighting for recognition from the other part of the world. Plus if he does it then it will be with style befitting of the Tottenham way. Not like the likes of Jose and Conte who had big egos and typically seen as too big for us by many yet not our way. It's a good underdog story both for club and manager.
Hear hear !
 

fishhhandaricecake

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Plus there have been no whispers about unhappy players, his training being too easy/hard/boring.

Just watching the bench reaction from Sarr, Richy and everyone for Bergvall's goal tells a story of how together they all are.




Personally, I blame Winks. :cautious:
And in that tough period World Cup winner Romero came out and said the squad are fully behind Ange but the club need to do more to help him :) it’s refreshing to have a squad unified behind a manager and a project.
 

Gassin's finest

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Plus there have been no whispers about unhappy players, his training being too easy/hard/boring.

Just watching the bench reaction from Sarr, Richy and everyone for Bergvall's goal tells a story of how together they all are.




Personally, I blame Winks. :cautious:
Jenas
 

spursgirls

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I wonder how much of a difference having a GK like Kinsky means to this.

Ange threw him straight in and it can't be a coincidence went longer more.

Secondly Porro is probably our best long range passer and he was sitting deeper so perhaps Ange has realised that too.
I think Ange has always been concerned that if the keeper went long, we would concede possession, but Kinsky seems to have the ability to actually pass to one of our own players!
 

only1waddle

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Don’t know if I’m an outlier but one of the reasons I’m pro Ange is because I’m happy with the way the squad is shaping up. It’s an actual project, rather than short term fixes.

Yeah, I've been in two minds at times about needing to bring some for now experience in short term fix, then watching the youth excel and thinking that the project is going well.
I think we all see a few mistakes were made last summer but I get the feeling Ange and Lange are on the same page, and the more Lange has a decent hit rate the more trust dear leader will have in the new structure.

*Having said that, can we go get Douglas Luiz.
 

thebenjamin

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Plus there have been no whispers about unhappy players, his training being too easy/hard/boring.

Just watching the bench reaction from Sarr, Richy and everyone for Bergvall's goal tells a story of how together they all are.




Personally, I blame Winks. :cautious:

Very true. First time actually I can remember this level of unity in a squad getting such poor results.
 

carpediem1906

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No you shouldn't say it. He's played one very good game for us and you've already turned him into the best keeper in the world.
Haha for sure
It’s silly to big him up just from one game.

just saying that the raw ingredients are there which are lacking in current crop of keepers we have and it was stark how that (1) relieved pressure of opponent’s press (2) gave us a long ball option which you already cited in your previous post (3) defenders seem more assured

this vs the 3-6, night and day and cause for optimism!
 
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