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Manager Watch: Ange Postecoglou

Ange In or Ange Out?


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spurs mental

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A loss is a loss.

There are many other aspects of supporting a football team as well as winning. As I said, for me, having a manger I respect and admire is important and I am very much enjoying supporting the team under him. I don't expect anyone else to feel the same.

People can moan, hate and be as negative as they want. I don't want to.
Did you enjoy supporting us yesterday and seeing us get muller mullered 6-3 at home? Genuine question I'm not trying to be smart, I'm trying to understand your way of thinking because I absolutely hated it. I hate losing any game but especially like we did yesterday, and regardless of them being top or us scoring three goals, we barely laid a glove on them if we're being honest with ourselves.
 

ComfortablyNumb

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Jun 28, 2011
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I'm fully behind Ange. Losing 6 3 is no different to losing 1 0.
So we’re resigned to losing then? Losing 1-0 could be seen as an unfortunate departure from 0-0, whereas 6-3 seems to fit in the category of “what the fuck?”

Onions, I guess…
 

Kirito

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:singing:I love Martin Jol :singing:
Martin Jol era was fun and he was getting better results than Ange with a weaker squad and didn’t come across as arrogant or stuck in his ways. It was a sad day when he was sacked because we had started to get results that didn’t seem possible before. I feel the same now but in a negative way - I don’t expect to be shipping 6 goals at home no matter the team we play. We have gone from being ‘Spursy’ to being a Clown show.

Clean house, Levy and Ange out, start again.
 

TTID

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Did you enjoy supporting us yesterday and seeing us get muller mullered 6-3 at home? Genuine question I'm not trying to be smart, I'm trying to understand your way of thinking because I absolutely hated it. I hate losing any game but especially like we did yesterday, and regardless of them being top or us scoring three goals, we barely laid a glove on them if we're being honest with ourselves.
I enjoyed watching Djed Spence, Archie Grey, Dominic Solanke, Sarr and Kulusevski.
It was easy to see that Liverpool are a far better team and were controlling the game from the first second. But, at least we gave it a go.
I don't enjoy losing, but I am able to look at the bigger picture, not just one game. As I said, if we lost 1 0 in a close fought game, we would have still lost.
I'm enjoying what is going with the club and excited about some of the players we have. It's not perfect, but that doesn't matter to me.
 

spurs mental

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I don't enjoy losing, but I am able to look at the bigger picture, not just one game.
Ok, so let's look at other games

Ipswich home
Bournemouth away
Palace away
Fulham home
Brighton away

What did you make of all those performances? Because not one of them had a silver lining.

I admire your outlook, I really do, but I can't get on board with it.
 

Kirito

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So we’re resigned to losing then? Losing 1-0 could be seen as an unfortunate departure from 0-0, whereas 6-3 seems to fit in the category of “what the fuck?”

Onions, I guess…
You know this might be what Levy wants, mid table but the leagues ‘entertainers’ never has to worry about winning anything because most of the fans have been relegated to not caring. Ticket sales are fine because it’s just fair weather fans and tourists going to the games.

Seen alot today that 6-3 is the same as 1-0 or 2-1. Liverpool absolutely destroyed us, it could have and probably should have been 10.
 

IfiHadTheWings

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Aug 5, 2013
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I'm fully behind Ange. Losing 6 3 is no different to losing 1 0. We have played Thursday Sunday for the past 3 weeks without being able to change most of the team. Not many teams can sustain that. The guy is a class act and handles himself better than most managers.
Be careful what you wish for! A new manager doesn't mean success, but we have someone who wants to succeed with us and sticks up for the club when ever he is pushed to criticise.
Winning isnt everything (for me). Personally, being part of a journey with someone I respect and want to succeed is far more important.
What will be will be with him, but I'm behind him the whole way.
Congratulations mate you just single handedly turned @Archibald&Crooks in to Ange out with that phrase.

:cautious:
 

TTID

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So we’re resigned to losing then? Losing 1-0 could be seen as an unfortunate departure from 0-0, whereas 6-3 seems to fit in the category of “what the fuck?”

Onions, I guess…
I'm not resigned to losing, but a loss is a loss.
I really like Ange and want him to do well. So maybe I am bias in my thinking, but I think that is ok.
Also "what the fuck" isn't always bad. People would be moaning if we lost 1 0 playing mourihno/Conte anti football. So I don't the think the scoreline makes a difference, people will moan regardless.
 

Trent Crimm

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I'm fully behind Ange. Losing 6 3 is no different to losing 1 0. We have played Thursday Sunday for the past 3 weeks without being able to change most of the team. Not many teams can sustain that. The guy is a class act and handles himself better than most managers.
Be careful what you wish for! A new manager doesn't mean success, but we have someone who wants to succeed with us and sticks up for the club when ever he is pushed to criticise.
Winning isnt everything (for me). Personally, being part of a journey with someone I respect and want to succeed is far more important.
What will be will be with him, but I'm behind him the whole way.

Yeah. Be careful what you wish for. Could do a Leeds 😂
 

Dillspur

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I'm not resigned to losing, but a loss is a loss.
I really like Ange and want him to do well. So maybe I am bias in my thinking, but I think that is ok.
Also "what the fuck" isn't always bad. People would be moaning if we lost 1 0 playing mourihno/Conte anti football. So I don't the think the scoreline makes a difference, people will moan regardless.

Those same people complaining now are the same people that would be saying "we should have at least had a go"
 

Ossie85

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Also the game needs more context than 3-6.

It was almost 1-2 going into half time, but a 45+1 goal and an early second half goal had them at 1-4 fairly early in the second half. Then we got hit for another taking it to 1-5. But we got two goals back and had some attacking momentum, at 3-5 we were closing the gap. But us playing open football, being knackered and knowing that we just had to go for it opened us up.

I'm not defending the score line but there's far more too it than simple numbers.
And what's that context telling us? Are you trying to imply it was closer than it looks??
We could have easily conceded 8 or 9. There was at least a 5 goal gap between the teams
 
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TTID

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Ok, so let's look at other games

Ipswich home
Bournemouth away
Palace away
Fulham home
Brighton away

What did you make of all those performances? Because not one of them had a silver lining.

I admire your outlook, I really do, but I can't get on board with it.
That's fine. I don't expect everyone to think the same as me. I was giving my opinion.
Those games were bad! But it doesn't change my opinion
I could list the games where we have been brilliant and I'm sure it won't change your opinion.
 

night-watchman

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What the comments post-Liverpool game have showed me is what also became alarmingly obvious last season as well.

An awful lot of Spurs fans can talk-the-talk when it comes to a rebuild, but when it comes to the gruelling reality, most just don't have the stomach for it and would rather bin off another manager again.

For the record, I do believe there are some things Ange could be doing better. I don't for one second think he is doing a perfect job right now. But I also believe we simply have to ride through this and back the manager in charge for a few reasons:

a) If we are going to undertake a painful re-build kind of project, which we seem to be right in the middle of right now, Ange is the guy to lead that. It may not lead to the promised land but I do think its worth taking a chance on. I read quote from someone on here a couple of weeks ago along the lines of "Ange has the lowest floor, and highest ceiling of any Spurs manager in recent memory". I do firmly agree with that and we simply have to ride through this really difficult period to hopefully get to something more stable. The time to make a firm decision on him is in the summer. If we aren't seeing signs of "light at the end of the tunnel" by end of season then I am all for trying something else, but now is simply not the time.

b) I get there are things he could be doing better tactically to protect our defence, but our injury crisis is simply ridiculous. I just don't see how he can be adequately judged at the moment, particularly after facing off against an on-fire and fully fit Liverpool team who had an extra days preparation while we are at bare-bones coming offer a gruelling tie against United.

c) In addition to the injury crisis, our Senior players simply are not stepping up. Son is simply not performing when we need him to. Maddison has an alarming tendency to dissapear from games when the goings get tough. And I am increasingly worried about Porro - who I am increasingly not sold on. Its noticeable on the opposite flank Spence did not encounter nearly the issues Porro did despite dealing with Salah. I actually think we should move Porro up to right wing with Spence behind.

d) He has been badly let down by Lange and Levy. I look at the options on our bench the last month or two and just think "what is he really meant to realistically achieve with the squad state as it currently is?". His senior attacking options outside the starters last night were Johnson and Werner - two bang average players, one of them (Johnson) may or may not turn into a decent player (which i think is unlikely). In terms of midfielders all he had was Bergvall. (who I do think should be starting right now but nonetheless is still a teenager). That is simply it. Like....what on earth is he meant to do with that. Sure he could be a little more pragmatic against Liverpool but the result still would have been a loss with the options we have at our disposal.
 

ComfortablyNumb

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Jun 28, 2011
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I'm not resigned to losing, but a loss is a loss.
I really like Ange and want him to do well. So maybe I am bias in my thinking, but I think that is ok.
Also "what the fuck" isn't always bad. People would be moaning if we lost 1 0 playing mourihno/Conte anti football. So I don't the think the scoreline makes a difference, people will moan regardless.
Right, I’m not having a good time in the pub, so I’m fucked if I’m letting this go.

First, it would be “I am biased in my thinking”, and no, that’s not OK. Call me a pedant, but how else will you learn? Obviously the schools have more important issues than grammar these days, so the community needs to step up.

Second, the scoreline makes a difference not because of the numbers but rather the way it was achieved. I wouldn’t be moaning if we’d lost by a dodgy penalty, by the odd goal in 9.
 

Albertbarich

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What the comments post-Liverpool game have showed me is what also became alarmingly obvious last season as well.

An awful lot of Spurs fans can talk-the-talk when it comes to a rebuild, but when it comes to the gruelling reality, most just don't have the stomach for it and would rather bin off another manager again.

For the record, I do believe there are some things Ange could be doing better. I don't for one second think he is doing a perfect job right now. But I also believe we simply have to ride through this and back the manager in charge for a few reasons:

a) If we are going to undertake a painful re-build kind of project, which we seem to be right in the middle of right now, Ange is the guy to lead that. It may not lead to the promised land but I do think its worth taking a chance on. I read quote from someone on here a couple of weeks ago along the lines of "Ange has the lowest floor, and highest ceiling of any Spurs manager in recent memory". I do firmly agree with that and we simply have to ride through this really difficult period to hopefully get to something more stable. The time to make a firm decision on him is in the summer. If we aren't seeing signs of "light at the end of the tunnel" by end of season then I am all for trying something else, but now is simply not the time.

b) I get there are things he could be doing better tactically to protect our defence, but our injury crisis is simply ridiculous. I just don't see how he can be adequately judged at the moment, particularly after facing off against an on-fire and fully fit Liverpool team who had an extra days preparation while we are at bare-bones coming offer a gruelling tie against United.

c) In addition to the injury crisis, our Senior players simply are not stepping up. Son is simply not performing when we need him to. Maddison has an alarming tendency to dissapear from games when the goings get tough. And I am increasingly worried about Porro - who I am increasingly not sold on. Its noticeable on the opposite flank Spence did not encounter nearly the issues Porro did despite dealing with Salah. I actually think we should move Porro up to right wing with Spence behind.

d) He has been badly let down by Lange and Levy. I look at the options on our bench the last month or two and just think "what is he really meant to realistically achieve with the squad state as it currently is?". His senior attacking options outside the starters last night were Johnson and Werner - two bang average players, one of them (Johnson) may or may not turn into a decent player (which i think is unlikely). In terms of midfielders all he had was Bergvall. (who I do think should be starting right now but nonetheless is still a teenager). That is simply it. Like....what on earth is he meant to do with that. Sure he could be a little more pragmatic against Liverpool but the result still would have been a loss with the options we have at our disposal.
Be honest.

if it wasn’t for Anges personality which I think is charming and engaging would you be making those defences?

You say yourself he could be doing things better so why is he the man for a rebuild? And what does rebuild even mean? If it means the sort of transfer window we have just overseen then we’re all being conned.

I like Ange, really like him but some of the blind defences I’m seeing today are a bit off for me. The record this season and the second half of last is unacceptable. Levy will be here no matter what so I don’t think we should refrain from calling things out because of him.
 

TTID

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Apr 20, 2005
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Right, I’m not having a good time in the pub, so I’m fucked if I’m letting this go.

First, it would be “I am biased in my thinking”, and no, that’s not OK. Call me a pedant, but how else will you learn? Obviously the schools have more important issues than grammar these days, so the community needs to step up.

Second, the scoreline makes a difference not because of the numbers but rather the way it was achieved. I wouldn’t be moaning if we’d lost by a dodgy penalty, by the odd goal in 9.
Don't be so pedantick! It's not worth your energy.

The scoreline makes a difference to you, not to me!
 
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