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Manager Watch: Ange Postecoglou

Ange In or Ange Out?


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spursfan77

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Loved his post match interview but also agree with carragher et al.

Got a feeling he is trying to build an underdog narrative now with the injuries, which I think is the way to go as not enough is being made of them in the press. Saying that a few players are shattered and it will affect performances over the next month. Porro is basically good for 45 minutes, he’s running on empty. We need another fullback in asap in January to help out, but I bet we don’t get one.
 

Westmorlandspur

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Feb 1, 2013
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When there are constant individual errors all season from a multitude of different players many of whom with big reputations and price tags then you have to start looking at the system.

Ange's system puts too much pressure on the defenders, the daft play it out from the back no matter the situation has fucked us numerous times, the lack of protection from the disappearing fullbacks etc. It just makes defending a much harder and more error prone job that it needs to be.

We nearly lost a game that we were 3-0 up in yesterday because of Ange's inability to train a good quality set of players to manage the game.
Lots of teams have cocked up with passing from the back. United last week in Europe the most recent.
Second goal was purely down to Forster .
 

McFlash

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Oct 19, 2005
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Full interview

He's reeled me right back in tonight

Only just watched that and it's great, one of the best interviews I've seen.
I don't understand how some still doubt him and what he's trying to do because he answers everything there.

Over to you Levy, give this man what he needs.
 

Westmorlandspur

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Loved his post match interview but also agree with carragher et al.

Got a feeling he is trying to build an underdog narrative now with the injuries, which I think is the way to go as not enough is being made of them in the press. Saying that a few players are shattered and it will affect performances over the next month. Porro is basically good for 45 minutes, he’s running on empty. We need another fullback in asap in January to help out, but I bet we don’t get one.
Did you hear Carragher taking our system apart with Porro right up the pitch while they send a long djag to
Garnacho on halfway on the left wing. Sarr has to try and cover. Happened time and again. Sarr is being run into the ground with this system.
 

McFlash

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Not arguing with that. Do you think he will get the full squad Klopp got?
So are we blaming Ange for that?
I'm not really understanding your stance at the moment because you think that Ange isn't good enough, I'm sure you've said as much recently, but now that's because Levy won't give him what he needs?

Surely we then should be supporting Ange and pressuring Levy.

I said the other day that giving Ange what he needs will be a lot cheaper than pretty much any "top manager" because he's happy to work with young talent, he's not going to demand 100m players.

There really is no excuse for Levy to shit the bed on this one, he's never going to get a better chance.
 

Gassin's finest

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May 12, 2010
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Maybe you enjoyed Poch and Kane’s time more because they completely exceeded and then raised our expectations.

Since Poch left 5 years ago, we haven’t reached the heights that we thought a new stadium and our Champions League run would bring.

Maybe that’s why you and many fans feel underwhelmed.
Well... yeah, exactly.
 

alfie103

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Jun 4, 2005
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It's almost like you didn't listen to his interview after the game.

I did and that is exactly how it came across. It seems with some as long as the manager is a nice, affable bloke who says all the right things so we can all coo over him and plays attacking football, that's the main priority.
 

Whazam

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Can't believe Ange and the style of play is being blamed even for yesterday's almost collapse.

You don't need to be a modern, ball-playing keeper to avoid those two massive mistakes. You don't even have to be a professional footballer to avoid them. It was just two awful, awful mistakes by Forster, when he wasn't even under any real pressure. It happens and it is what it is.

If we changed our strategy to avoid even unforced errors and if we punt it as a default, we would have no style of play at all, and would belong in League 2 or domething.
 

Whazam

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Also at times when we play out from the back, we end up punting the ball long anyway because the defender is under too much pressure so you might as well as just hit the long ball to Solanke straight from the keeper.
Isn't this exactly how it should be? That we try to actually play the game and only punt it when we're out of options?

"Just hit the long ball" is barely even a strategy, it's just hoping.
 

mil1lion

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May 7, 2004
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Honestly I think there's talk as if we have to go for titles and nothing else and thats why people are not happy with Ange. That all really comes down to Levy though. I just don't see any reason we shouldn't just embrace the football under Ange. I mean sure we might get a more adaptable or pragmatic manager and get a little bit higher in the table. So what? We've qualified for CL a number of times and every time it makes no difference whatsoever. The reality is we are not going to change under this owner so why the hell not just enjoy the entertainment? I think Ange is reminding us why we love football in the first place. I mean he is literally the epitome of the Danny Blanchflower quote.

That isn't to say I don't want titles but it's just not going to happen under Enic. Keep putting pressure on them to deliver. But still enjoy the football. We're not going to get relegated. We haven't won anything in 15 years. Even if we just sign players who fit the style of football and fit our philosophy at the same time I think we will still be up challenging for Europe anyway. In the best case we sign top players and only then we can increase our demands from Ange but his football might bring titles with those players anyway.
 

Krafty

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May 26, 2004
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Classic Ange really.

Tactics get us to 3-0, tactics also leave us vulnerable to letting the lead slip.

It’s thrilling, for sure, but just goes to show the lack of leadership and game smarts. It was only when Bergvall came on that we saw someone slowing the game down, stopping their momentum, making it a bit gritty and sapping the pace.

Where were our leaders? Too easily swept up in the flow of the game.

At halftime I said my mate - first 15 of the second half hit them hard, get a couple goals then slow it all down to the end. We did the first bit but then allow things to get nervous through lack of game management.

Second Fraser error not anything other than the big man can do about it, but for the first when the ball comes back to him why aren’t his teammates screaming at him to clear it?

Ange has got to smarten them up to this, otherwise each game will be 100mph and we will continue to get injuries and fatigue.

other than though, I’m all in with Ange. There is a lack of leadership through the club and he is the one person who is directing us. Might not be the perfect direction but it’s at least stopping wandering around bumping into each other
 

newbie

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Jul 16, 2004
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I rated that funny because I actually laughed out loud at that but you're right, that had everything to do with Forster, not the tactics.

People love to say "just hoof it" but when we did that during the game, it just went straight to a United player and came straight back at us because we were sat deeper.

Now I agree that Forster could've done many other things, rather than what he did but that was nothing to do with tactics, just stupidity.

exactly

he just needed to look around and we need to learn more gamesmanship / game management

Honestly believe a top class number 6 sorts so many of our issues out. The only problem is there aren’t many about.

I think we have him, Archie grey in time
 

alfie103

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Isn't this exactly how it should be? That we try to actually play the game and only punt it when we're out of options?

"Just hit the long ball" is barely even a strategy, it's just hoping.

I don't think we should hit long balls as the default option and I agree with the second part of your first sentence. However, I would also add if there is a massive risk of the ball being intercepted by the opposition in our box compared to the reward of having possession of the ball just outside of 18 yard box, then I would clear it.

Of course, playing long ball football is a strategy. I don't understand why playing out from the back is to 'actually play the game' as opposed to play a long ball? Both are valid.
 
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gibbospurs

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Aug 28, 2010
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Loved his post match interview but also agree with carragher et al.

Got a feeling he is trying to build an underdog narrative now with the injuries, which I think is the way to go as not enough is being made of them in the press. Saying that a few players are shattered and it will affect performances over the next month. Porro is basically good for 45 minutes, he’s running on empty. We need another fullback in asap in January to help out, but I bet we don’t get one.
Tbf we've had spence for the right side not getting game time and reg on the left.
 

mil1lion

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Classic Ange really.

Tactics get us to 3-0, tactics also leave us vulnerable to letting the lead slip.

It’s thrilling, for sure, but just goes to show the lack of leadership and game smarts. It was only when Bergvall came on that we saw someone slowing the game down, stopping their momentum, making it a bit gritty and sapping the pace.

Where were our leaders? Too easily swept up in the flow of the game.

At halftime I said my mate - first 15 of the second half hit them hard, get a couple goals then slow it all down to the end. We did the first bit but then allow things to get nervous through lack of game management.

Second Fraser error not anything other than the big man can do about it, but for the first when the ball comes back to him why aren’t his teammates screaming at him to clear it?

Ange has got to smarten them up to this, otherwise each game will be 100mph and we will continue to get injuries and fatigue.

other than though, I’m all in with Ange. There is a lack of leadership through the club and he is the one person who is directing us. Might not be the perfect direction but it’s at least stopping wandering around bumping into each other
I believe Ange is trying to develop leaders but in the short term it's going to cost us at times.
 

McFlash

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It didn't always. There were a couple of occasions where we managed to get up the pitch and it isn't like we have Keane or Defoe up front, we have Solanke.

Also at times when we play out from the back, we end up punting the ball long anyway because the defender is under too much pressure so you might as well as just hit the long ball to Solanke straight from the keeper.
More often than not it just came straight back.
Solanke is great at holding a ball up when it's played to feet but when it's high and he's pretty much up there in his own, not so much.

But that's also the point I'm getting at, Ange isn't instructing the team to always play out, he prefers them to but gives them the responsibility of knowing when to.
We do play long at times.

Last night wasn't on Ange, it wasn't about tactics, big Fraze unfortunately made two bad decisions.
 
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