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Manager Watch: Ange Postecoglou

Ange In or Ange Out?

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E17yid

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I hope you're wrong. Wanting the manager gone is effectively writing off the season. We're not poaching any top manager to leave their current jobs mid season so we would likely be stuck with Mason in charge.

The sensible thing would be to allow Ange to play out the season and review things in the summer.
The season is already a write off and I don’t think many of us expected the season to pan out like this by early December, even the people who thought the summer window was awful I would’ve thought they would have higher aspirations that writing off the season a couple of months into it.

Having said that, I’m still inclined to agree as we should have some better options in the summer as opposed to scrambling around now but, honestly, and I can’t believe I’m saying this, but if the injuries get worse and results don’t improve I could see us being dragged down into the bottom 6 and potentially be in a bit of a scrap.
 

TEESSIDE1

Married, new job and Spurs on the up!
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If we got rid of ange, then who is out there?

The only candidates i can think of are:

Unemployed:

Xavi - would he adapt, doesnt know the PL

In work:

Iraola - doing well at bournemouth, bit would need time and patience.

Marco Silva - struggled at everton, but doing a good job at fulham. Csn he step up?

Mckenna - Jurys out. They have struggled to see out games at this level, imo

Are any of these going to improve us?

Edin Terzić - ex Dortmund coach who had them playing fantastic football and took them to the Champions League final. He resigned last summer and is still without a job.
 

HildoSpur

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Oct 1, 2005
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The season is already a write off and I don’t think many of us expected the season to pan out like this by early December, even the people who thought the summer window was awful I would entire they’d have higher aspirations that writing off the season a couple of months into it.

Having said that, I’m still inclined to agree as we should have some better options in the summer as opposed to scrambling around now but, honestly, and I can’t believe I’m saying this, but if the injuries get worse and results don’t improve I could see us being dragged down into the bottom 6 and potentially be in a bit of a scrap.
The league is a write off (though still possible we could get 5th) - we are still in all the cups so still plenty to play for.
 

arunspurs

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Aug 31, 2012
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If we got rid of ange, then who is out there?

The only candidates i can think of are:

Unemployed:

Xavi - would he adapt, doesnt know the PL

In work:

Iraola - doing well at bournemouth, bit would need time and patience.

Marco Silva - struggled at everton, but doing a good job at fulham. Csn he step up?

Mckenna - Jurys out. They have struggled to see out games at this level, imo

Are any of these going to improve us?


Xavi - I dont know why there is an assumption he wouldnt adapt. Afterall, the squad he got at Barca was a transitonal squad with quite a few other league players. Although, More chance of him rejecting us....

Edin Terzić - Dortmund coach , taking them to CL finals last season. Been assistant coach in PL (Westham). so he knows the rigour. He rejected Westham last week.

Farioli - transforming Ajax. No chance he leaves Ajax in 5 months though

In PL managers, Iraola fits the best for current squad. Iraola plays the high press system.
 

GetKaned

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If we got rid of ange, then who is out there?

The only candidates i can think of are:

Unemployed:

Xavi - would he adapt, doesnt know the PL

In work:

Iraola - doing well at bournemouth, bit would need time and patience.

Marco Silva - struggled at everton, but doing a good job at fulham. Csn he step up?

Mckenna - Jurys out. They have struggled to see out games at this level, imo

Are any of these going to improve us?
2 more to add.

Edin Terzic who got Dortmund in to CL final.
Sergio Conceicao previously of Porto.



Allegri ? Lol
 

yojambo

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Jun 13, 2012
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Even if you put the bad results down to injury, you would have thought someone with nigh on 30 years in management would have the nous to navigate these situations better than he has.
 

E17yid

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The league is a write off (though still possible we could get 5th) - we are still in all the cups so still plenty to play for.
Nah, it’s a write off. You’re right of course, still all to play for but we fucked it already imo. When it’s bad things are so bad I just can’t see how he turns it around. But I also agree that getting in anyone mid season, even a very highly rated coach like Amorim, also kind of writes off the season as you can’t expect people to come in mid season and sort it out. All in all pretty frustrating. As most have said on here Rangers and Southampton are key games, drop points in those and he’s gone, winning one or both might buy him some time.
 

WiganSpur

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Aug 31, 2012
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We miss Hojbjeg big time. We miss his ability to help us see out games.
I wouldn’t say we miss his ability but we do miss his experience for sure. If we stick with Ange an absolute priority for me is that we get a DM with a calmer head. Someone with Pierre’s know how and leadership but a better fit for technical football. It doesn’t have to a world beater imo. Just someone who can cover ground keep it simple, ok press resistance and some sort of footballing brain.
 

Trix

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Jul 29, 2004
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I'm going to add a caveat to everything I've been saying for what feels like forever now.

If Ange even now was to come to terms with the fact he needs to change our approach at certain times and admit there are faults in what he's asking the players to do, I'd happily give him time to try and address things. It's the fact he keeps saying this is it and we won't change that tells me he has to go.
 

thelak

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Aug 31, 2012
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Even if you put the bad results down to injury, you would have thought someone with nigh on 30 years in management would have the nous to navigate these situations better than he has.
Not if he has 30 years experience only playing one way
 

werty

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Aug 8, 2005
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I wouldn’t say we miss his ability but we do miss his experience for sure. If we stick with Ange an absolute priority for me is that we get a DM with a calmer head. Someone with Pierre’s know how and leadership but a better fit for technical football. It doesn’t have to a world beater imo. Just someone who can cover ground keep it simple, ok press resistance and some sort of footballing brain.
Those players don't exactly grow on trees, and he'd just be wasted anyway. The best holding midfielders in the World aren't going to solve our problems.
 

Ghost Hardware

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Aug 31, 2012
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I don't get the feeling that many actually believe Ange will improve us unless he gets his pick of the lot in all our weak positions.

It almost feels like the main reason some want Ange to stay is to prove a point to Levy and to make him suffer. I can't say I believe that will lead to anything productive.
I think if there was a clear choice of manager that wouldn't take much to get behind I'd be far more inclined to get rid but there really isn't one stand out candidate that would come to us at present.

Names that we would likely be looking at (those in italics are currently unemployed) - Irola, Frank, Xavi, Mckenna, Potter, Míchel, Hoeneß, Terzic, Conceicao, Hütter, Silva, Alguacil, Howe, Palladino - some i like more then others but all range from uninspiring to risky (some aren't even possession focused managers) but none scream obvious choice.

There is some i'd maybe take a gamble on but it would be a gamble and i'm not sure if the odds are stacked enough to make me believe we should take the risk. I also really don't see us getting anyone who isn't on that list ether, likes of Alonso and Nagelsmann are never ever going to want to come here under Levy and we wouldn't pay their release clause anyway. As we talked about previously there are quite a few managers that I think we wouldn't pay , you mentioned Rose and Bosz for example and i'm sure some on the list above.

If i had even a slight modicum of faith that the club knew what they were doing when appointing a new manager then i'd be more up for rolling the dice on one of the aforementioned names (although there are some In there i don't want) but I don't. I think the chances of us getting the next appointment right are slim to none which makes me feel completely apathetic.
 

thebenjamin

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Jul 1, 2008
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Make Xabi Alonso an offer he can't refuse.

Any players he wants signed (as long as they earn less than £100K a week and have a release clause or they're in the final year of their contract).
 

mpickard2087

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Jun 13, 2008
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My sentiments are that yesterday had the air of desperation about it.

Desperate in rushing back the two centre backs. When neither finishes the game, you can’t say that worked out.

Desperate in that we came out fast and furious - trying to zip the ball around, tearing around the pitch trying to press and get at them. It worked, briefly. After like half hour we had basically shot our load.

Just seemed to me that there was a concerted effort to come out and do something, and give us a shot in the arm. It didn’t work, and it now remains to be seen how the react and pick themselves up after that.

In general, I have to again disagree with fans bemoaning that Ange will never change. I get why they say that – the overplaying, lack of smarts and sensibility at time – but, as I’ve said before, I think him changing the approach has led to a lot of this.

The last few months we are now basically playing 4-2-4. Let’s get it right, Kulusevski plays as an extra forward. He’s no midfielder in any universe. We’ve also started employing the approach that leaves the wingers up top more when we haven’t got the ball, often having four forward waiting to break.

Last year was mainly an approach based around high possession and high territory. Still playing directly when we could, but we mainly tried to dominate and play our way through teams.

Now with the aforementioned changes we’re playing much transitional/counter style, and have opened games out even more. They’re even more end-to-end, more chaotic, and more of a lottery seeing who can out-gun who.

We’ve gone from an approach mimicking Pep, to some extent, to one that is basically Redknapp on steroids.

When it works, oh boy it works. But all the other times, it’s a mess. By and large it’s not getting performances. It’s not getting results. We go life and death with even Farmers League teams. Because it’s so chaotic and wide open, our players run up and down constantly like lunatics, and it’s no wonder they’re looking exhausted and injuries are piling up every week. It's not bad luck, it's self inflicted.

No serious team aims to play like this. You have to control the football match.

I’d actually much rather Ange did just stick to Plan A/how we operated when he first came in - high possession, high line, high territory, control ball and try to intricately play through teams – and work on refining that and get better players to play that style, rather than this shift to the wide open utter bollocks-ball that has been served up in the last few months. That can only end in tears.
 

Monkey boy

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Jun 18, 2011
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If we got rid of ange, then who is out there?

The only candidates i can think of are:

Unemployed:

Xavi - would he adapt, doesnt know the PL

In work:

Iraola - doing well at bournemouth, bit would need time and patience.

Marco Silva - struggled at everton, but doing a good job at fulham. Csn he step up?

Mckenna - Jurys out. They have struggled to see out games at this level, imo

Are any of these going to improve us?

Well 3 out of the 4 have all out coached Ange within the last month and the other is an ex Barcelona Manager and a legendary player that has literally won it all so i know where my money would be going. That said, if our scouting network and director of football is any good then there should be a whole list of managers that most of us have never heard of that could come in and do better than what we are currently being served. How do Brighton always seem to pick a gem? At this point i think even bringing Harry Redknapp and his bunch of mates back until the end of the season would be an improvement as even Aitch knew that defending is an important part of the game.
 

arunspurs

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Aug 31, 2012
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I'm going to add a caveat to everything I've been saying for what feels like forever now.

If Ange even now was to come to terms with the fact he needs to change our approach at certain times and admit there are faults in what he's asking the players to do, I'd happily give him time to try and address things. It's the fact he keeps saying this is it and we won't change that tells me he has to go.


100%
But seeing is believing for me. Its not what he says , its about if team can do the game management properly.
 
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