Manager Watch: Ange Postecoglou

[dontcallme]

No, if Ange went in the summer, new manager would have Romero money to spend. Prolly more than the 85 mill POUNDS Bayern paid for Kane.

Some sort of sarcasm or irony?

 

[Cambridge Spur]

Ange in. Levy and ENIC out.

Ange out. Levy and Enic out.

 

[cjsimba]

Ange out. Levy and Enic out.

Cambridge Spur out.

 

[only1waddle]

All true, but the reason we were capable of attracting a manager like Conte in the first place was Harry Kane. Without him, we wouldn’t have had a hope. If Ange goes, this is the first time since Poch that we’ll have had to attract a manager without the carrot of either Kane or the proceeds of a Kane sale to play with.

Indeed, but Kane and Son is an even bigger pull.

 

[Metalhead]

Ans

Not what happened at all. Conte intentionally engineered his own departure. He wasn’t happy with our transfer business in summer 2022 and downed tools. He knew that Levy would have no choice but to sack him after th statements he made in that press conference.

Genuinely amazed that people still don’t understand what happened there.

Levy obviously massively underdelivered and I can understand why Conte was angry about it, but the idea that Conte got sacked for speaking truth to power is an absolute crock.

Absolutely. Conte was gone anyway. He just decided to vent on the way out.

 

[greaves]

What’s the ‘Levi’ thing?

(Carlo. ‘Christ stopped at Tottenham’)

 

[Stamford]

Not what happened at all. Conte intentionally engineered his own departure. He wasn’t happy with our transfer business in summer 2022 and downed tools. He knew that Levy would have no choice but to sack him after th statements he made in that press conference.

Genuinely amazed that people still don’t understand what happened there.

Levy obviously massively underdelivered and I can understand why Conte was angry about it, but the idea that Conte got sacked for speaking truth to power is an absolute crock.

he didn't but he told the truth and many criticised him for it. Yes he wanted out but he also explained why we don't win

 

[Wearegoingtowintheleague]

Then it's best he goes.

If he isn't going to be given the players he needs for his system I agree.

If that is the case the question has to be asked why once again Levy has hired a manager whose vision he doesn't back.

I'm seriously beginning to think Levy is happy. having a manager who keeps us around the chasing pack. The money keeps coming in and the fans are quiet.

The moment fans start showing any unrest towards Levy he sacks the fall guy and gets a new manager to repeat the cycle.

He doesn't back the managers and hangs them out to dry.

As fans we are playing our part. Every year we expect to compete with our signings of potential against clubs that strengthen with players who are ready to make that instant difference.

So for me, I'm not interested in the false hope of a new manager. They all end the same way.

 

[Cambridge Spur]

Cambridge Spur out.

Love it

 

[funkycoldmedina]

For the record, I don’t want him sacked. But he is not helping himself. There is a lot of things we cannot discuss or disclose. I’m fed up of rinse and repeat. I want to see us win against all odds tomorrow. But Ange definitely has to tweak and change, be pragmatic when needed, then there is a chance. But will he?

Why does he? Howe has been held up as a paragon of that approach but they're hardly improving beyond all recognition. Ange has a process he trusts, he understands how that will look, I'd be pissed off if he took a pragmatic approach because that doesn't produce top squads. This period exposed the fault lines, the positions where we're exposed.

Here's the kicker for me, if Levy, Munn etc are on board with this then great, they'll give him players he needs to plug gaps to make his system work better, if not we're in trouble. Now is the time for a bit of resolve, we've seen how well the system can work, we need some quality additions and some young players to make the step up we expect of them.

 

[Trix]

If he isn't going to be given the players he needs for his system I agree.

If that is the case the question has to be asked why once again Levy has hired a manager whose vision he doesn't back.

I'm seriously beginning to think Levy is happy. having a manager who keeps us around the chasing pack. The money keeps coming in and the fans are quiet.

The moment fans start showing any unrest towards Levy he sacks the fall guy and gets a new manager to repeat the cycle.

He doesn't back the managers and hangs them out to dry.

As fans we are playing our part. Every year we expect to compete with our signings of potential against clubs that strengthen with players who are ready to make that instant difference.

So for me, I'm not interested in the false hope of a new manager. They all end the same way.

You are beginning to think????

It's something I worked out many many years ago.

 

[Dov67]

from Today's Martin Samuel column in The Times:

Ange's style of football losing appeal​

Ange Postecoglou’s style was perfect for Tottenham Hotspur when their fans had almost given up hope of winning a trophy. They had lost Harry Kane but, like every neutral, they loved his football and his personality and he got them high enough up the table to think they could be contenders again. So now his ambitious, attacking football isn’t enough anymore. They’re back to dreaming, hoping – and making demands.

“Maybe when I’m long gone you’ll have had your fill of pragmatism and you’ll all pine for my entertainment,” Postecoglou warned. But that’s only true if his successor doesn’t win anything. If he does, after 16 years and counting without a trophy, style and substance will come a distant second to glory, no matter how miserably it is achieved.

Rare that I agree with this clown, but this is exactly how I feel.

 

[Doctor Dinkey]

Bloody hell if it's this bad on here now god knows what it will be like at 6.15 tonight. The choice we have at the moment is Ange, or Ryan Mason/Matt Wells till the end of the season. That's it. Sacking Ange makes no sense at all, even if we continue to lose games.

 

[dontcallme]

from Today's Martin Samuel column in The Times:

Ange's style of football losing appeal​

Ange Postecoglou’s style was perfect for Tottenham Hotspur when their fans had almost given up hope of winning a trophy. They had lost Harry Kane but, like every neutral, they loved his football and his personality and he got them high enough up the table to think they could be contenders again. So now his ambitious, attacking football isn’t enough anymore. They’re back to dreaming, hoping – and making demands.

“Maybe when I’m long gone you’ll have had your fill of pragmatism and you’ll all pine for my entertainment,” Postecoglou warned. But that’s only true if his successor doesn’t win anything. If he does, after 16 years and counting without a trophy, style and substance will come a distant second to glory, no matter how miserably it is achieved.

Rare that I agree with this clown, but this is exactly how I feel.

The old "play boring football and win or play good football and lose" argument. It's not true.

 

[qqq1]

I think we'll get battered today and it might be bad enough that Ange gets sacked. We won't have a replacement lined up so Mason will be in charge for the hectic Christmas period and there'll be no improvement.

 

[Dov67]

Bloody hell if it's this bad on here now god knows what it will be like at 6.15 tonight. The choice we have at the moment is Ange, or Ryan Mason/Matt Wells till the end of the season. That's it. Sacking Ange makes no sense at all, even if we continue to lose games.

the moment the pressure starts on Levy himself, is when he will sacrifice Ange whether it is likely to help results or not.

So while I want the entire stadium to let Levy know what we think of him (today and every game), I also know it will likely lead to Ange getting sacked and new sucker appointed.

 

[Westmorlandspur]

Yes exactly.

The way he doesn’t take responsibility and blames the Managers is sickening.

When he sacked Poch after not backing. him with freshening up the squad i emotionally checked out. Madness.

I do get fed up of this….he didn’t back Poch rubbish. Even Simon Jordan was at it the other day.
Summer of 2019 . Remember it . If you really are a spurs fan you should know we bought
Ndombele 54m
Lo Celso…around 40m
Sessegnon. 20-25m
Over 100m . Poch definitely wanted the first 2.
Poch is not a good judge of a player. Very lucky that virtually all his best players were here when he arrived or the transfer was in progress . He had no part in Dele transfer.
Dav Sanchez was one of his, Jansen also.
Did a good job at Chelsea with players who were bought by their recruitment team .

 

[Dov67]

The old "play boring football and win or play good football and lose" argument. It's not true.

No - they are not binary choices (see Pep and Klopps teams), but right now winning a trophy no matter how we do it is one million times more important to me than "good" football

 

[Jamturk]

I don't think the squad is as bad as some are making out, every signing for me has made sense and been exciting.

VDV, Udogie, Gray, Bergvall, Solanke, Odobert etc.

All very good players and I find it hard to justify slagging off the board for this.

I think the squad has been overworked in training and Matches because of the inflexibility of Ange.

Almost from day 1 most have been saying he needs to adjust to the challenge of the Premier league and he has failed to do so.

 

[olliec]

Not what happened at all. Conte intentionally engineered his own departure. He wasn’t happy with our transfer business in summer 2022 and downed tools. He knew that Levy would have no choice but to sack him after th statements he made in that press conference.

Genuinely amazed that people still don’t understand what happened there.

Levy obviously massively underdelivered and I can understand why Conte was angry about it, but the idea that Conte got sacked for speaking truth to power is an absolute crock.

But that’s what I mean. Conte said what he said because he knew he wasn’t going to get the backing from levy and wanted to leave. He left with a devastating final blow which will live on for a long time in the fans memories.