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Manager Watch: Ange Postecoglou

Ange In or Ange Out?

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Fidget

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It’s pretty straight forward really. Yes by all means criticise when things aren’t going right, but that “fan” who called Ange what he called him shouldn’t be allowed to come back to any games in my opinion.

The same way it was wrong for people to abuse Johnson it’s the same for that man to abuse Ange. It’s just uncalled for.

Criticism yes, abuse no. Simple really.
Apart from refs
 

kitchen

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I could tell you all about the thin squad, the lack of depth, how Ange’s system is hard to execute without his best players. How he needs a January and Board support to get his players in. How he won’t change his approach etc.

What’s the point.

The situation is quite simple right now. He needs to take a more pragmatic and tactically flexible approach (a La Thomas Frank) whilst we’re ravaged by injuries, or he’s toast.
But why should he be toast?

If everyone can see the loss of form is down to the squad being barebones, then we and everyone else needs to cut him some slack.

I'm getting pissed off with our fans being so short term, and reacting only on the basis of results. A few losses and it's Ange out, a few wins and we're all happy. Are we really that fickle and thick? It's a project, it needs time, it needs a proper squad, it has already shown a hell of a lot of potential, and the football is great to watch.

Put pressure on Levy to give him what he needs... Do not sack the manager.
 

olliec

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This is where I am at:

I want to fall in love with Ange the way I did with Poch and a few others, but over the years slowly levy has comptely sucked the love out of supporting this club. From the go kart track, to the Beyoncé concerts. We are a global brand with a shit team with a ridiculous revenue. No offence to Solanke I bet he’s a top guy, but he’s not a top player. I see all the top players linked with City, Chelsea, Arsenal, Liverpool and even United still. The fact we always sniff in the bargain basement tells me everything about levy’s intentions for us as a football club. You wait until his Xmas bonus comes out again. People are going to be so pissed off, but the thing is levy doesn’t care about the fans you can clearly see that because we are still filling the stadium week after week. Sadly it’s inevitable that Ange will be the next fall guy and this is why it’s so hard to fall in love with him.
 

fishhhandaricecake

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It’s not about giving the Managers more time though is it. The player recruitment is poor and has been for a very long time. We scout and sign defenders who can’t defend on an endless conveyor belt. Bang average strikers. Weak minded players who point fingers instead of taking responsibility.

We’ve got to force Levy out. It’s the only solution.
Exactly, Ange could be here 10yrs and he’ll likely struggle to win because he won’t be properly backed, it’s literally that simple.

Sons legs will go, Romero will leave, we will sign one good player a few cheaper ones, a few more youngsters, continue to have huge holes in the squad and we won’t win anything because we simply don’t have the quality or depth of player/squad to do so.

I hope Ange can pull a rabbit out of the hat I really do but as usual his hands are fairly firmly tied.

This will never ever happen but if this Jan we went out and signed something like, a top LB, Mitoma and Isak, I might start to think we are taking this project seriously for Ange but it‘ll likely be no signings of note, one half decent one at best but no one who will make other teams sit up and take notice.
 

NEVILLEB

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Levy has survived by throwing a Manager on the fire every few seasons.

It’s time he recieved consistent pressure and made accountable for the lack of trophies under his leadership. If he wants to be so highly paid he must start delivering.
 

Cavehillspur

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That's what's so frustrating, yet again.
We're just going to keep burning through managers because the only ones that will suit Levy's way of doing things aren't going to get us any success unless they are incredibly lucky.

I'm at my wits end with the way this club is being run and it's so frustrating to watch, again and again.

I've spent many a year swaying this way and that on Levy but the whole Conte debacle was the last straw.
Hiring Ange gave me the usual glimmer of hope again but as per, it's quickly extinguished again.

I just want to see my club push on from what should be a position of strength.
Isn't that what Levy's been telling us he wanted to do?
Yeah if he pulls the plug on Ange im going to step away from Spurs for a while, fed up of the constant cycle of sacking the manager every 12-18 months, its beyond frustrating we are going absolutely nowhere doing that.
 

olliec

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Levy has survived by throwing a Manager on the fire every few seasons.

It’s time he recieved consistent pressure and made accountable for the lack of trophies under his leadership. If he wants to be so highly paid he must start delivering.
He’s the highest paid chairman in the PL. Tells you everything you need to know.
 

jay2040

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by this token, away fans are gods that must be revered? Does it allow them to call him a fat ****? It's a fucking joke the lengths we will go to, to defend thuggish, behaviour. You can tolerate it all you want - I don't care how many away games they went to & how many they will go to - they can all fuck right off as I don't believe they represent the larger set of fans that support this club. They have a choice - they can stop attending matches & save their tickets and travel money if they hate the club so much. As ange said, they are allowed to express their feelings but it got personal which is disrespectful and unnecessary.

Imagine, these are the kinds of fans who jeer the team when we lose - tell me again about fairweather fans? Imagine the players who would be hurting from another defeat having to hear this kind of abuse? The fear of failure must run so deep in them after this kind of 'support'.

See, those korean fans who come to the stadium, they come to support Sonny, even when Sonny plays shit, they sing his name loudly and proudly. That's what supporters to otherwise they are not supporting anything.

Agree that fans should not get personal. Ange wants the victory as much as the fans. No matter how the game was going there should always ne some respect for the manger.

I'm not sure the Sonny example is that great as those fans will support him no matter where he plays and I could be wrong though I don't think they have been supporting him for as long as some if us fans have supported Spurs and they probably don't go to more than one game, so I can see why the fans were annoyed though defo no need to get personal.
 

Fidget

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Everyone of importance has already decided he’s toast. Say 40% of people here, Jamie O’Hara, Football365, The Sun, Daniel Levy, BetFred.
 

Fidget

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Yeah if he pulls the plug on Ange im going to step away from Spurs for a while, fed up of the constant cycle of sacking the manager every 12-18 months, its beyond frustrating we are going absolutely nowhere doing that.
My second team is Reading cos I spent most of my life living there and been to far more of their games. Spurs are my love but love and hate and all that it’d be easier to support Reading, in the state they’re in and I live in Devon now. At least you never have any expectations. Might avoid going into administration. Been Spurs all my life but this businessman’s money exercise is worse than ever and the real culprit even gets excused by people who know he’s…………just say not nice.
 

parj

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I look at the fit players available to him, the injury to Davies, the massive overload of fixtures we have and I consider that within that context we really shouldn’t be laying the blame for a narrow defeat at the door of the manager.

The squad is down to its bare bones, many of the players that are fit are coming back from niggles or injuries, others are unsuited or out of form. The team’s held together with string right now.
Dude, only the scoreline was narrow. The reality is it could have easily been 3 or 4 nil to Bournemouth, and deservedly so.
 

ajspurs

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This is where I am at:

I want to fall in love with Ange the way I did with Poch and a few others, but over the years slowly levy has comptely sucked the love out of supporting this club. From the go kart track, to the Beyoncé concerts. We are a global brand with a shit team with a ridiculous revenue. No offence to Solanke I bet he’s a top guy, but he’s not a top player. I see all the top players linked with City, Chelsea, Arsenal, Liverpool and even United still. The fact we always sniff in the bargain basement tells me everything about levy’s intentions for us as a football club. You wait until his Xmas bonus comes out again. People are going to be so pissed off, but the thing is levy doesn’t care about the fans you can clearly see that because we are still filling the stadium week after week. Sadly it’s inevitable that Ange will be the next fall guy and this is why it’s so hard to fall in love with him.

I feel the same mate. It's got nothing to do with poor results, but I'm really finding it hard to care so much when the club doesn't care near as much as the fans when it comes to success on the pitch. It’s making me feel a disconnect that I've never had before, as I've always previously had a fair bit of hope, but it's so minimal right now. I've said multiple times and even though there are numerous and probably clearer examples of this over the years, I was woken up to where we are as a club right now after the summer just gone. Despite what may have happened previously, I still got excited by thought of Eze and Neto or equivalent's, because I stupidly thought they were genuine possibilities. And after sorely needing some genuine quality in the final third we end up with Werner, Yang, Odobert and Solanke, and all after Kane leaving too. It just spoke volumes.
 

jay2040

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I feel the same mate. It's got nothing to do with poor results, but I'm really finding it hard to care so much when the club doesn't care near as much as the fans when it comes to success on the pitch. It’s making me feel a disconnect that I've never had before, as I've always previously had a fair bit of hope, but it's so minimal right now. I've said multiple times and even though there are numerous and probably clearer examples of this over the years, I was woken up to where we are as a club right now after the summer just gone. Despite what may have happened previously, I still got excited by thought of Eze and Neto or equivalent's, because I stupidly thought they were genuine possibilities. And after sorely needing some genuine quality in the final third we end up with Werner, Yang, Odobert and Solanke, and all after Kane leaving too. It just spoke volumes.

Agree. Thing is it's the same year in year out
 

jolsnogross

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Yeah, I mean, I'm nearly 50 and just feel like I'm stuck in a loop with this club.
The current frustration comes from the fact that the facilities and club have grown massively over the past 20 years but in all honesty, it feels like we're in pretty much the same place on the pitch.

I waited excitedly and with baited breath while the stadium was built, dreaming that it was the start of something special happening at the club I adore.
Yet here we are, going through the same motions again.
The timing of the stadium was really bad luck. Poch had us killing g it at the lane and then we had to move to wembey. It had to happen, but this current stadium seems (from a distance) to be an entertainment venue. It certainly isn't a fortress for the team. And I think Conte was possibly right that for weak minded players, which is the culture at Spurs, have classy facilities makes them all think they've made it even though they achieved fuck all of note in the game (bar one or two outside of spurs).
 

olliec

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Yeah, I mean, I'm nearly 50 and just feel like I'm stuck in a loop with this club.
The current frustration comes from the fact that the facilities and club have grown massively over the past 20 years but in all honesty, it feels like we're in pretty much the same place on the pitch.

I waited excitedly and with baited breath while the stadium was built, dreaming that it was the start of something special happening at the club I adore.
Yet here we are, going through the same motions again.
And we all know our revenue stream has increased massively since those days, so why are we still in the same place on the pitch? 🤔
 

jolsnogross

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That's because football and this club has us firmly by the emotional short and curlies.

That's why we've all been bickering so much on here over the past few weeks, because we're emotionally involved with Spurs, we all want the club to succeed but when things are fraught, that emotion spills out on each other.

I do think though, no matter the result tomorrow, Thursday or next month, we shouldn't accept anything but properly backing whatever manager we have in charge.
We've failed all of them over the past 20 odd years.
(By that I mean the club, not us fans).
I'm not convinced that's the case yet with Ange. They chose to spend on Maddison. Ange thinks he's a leader. They chose to bring werner back. They chose to spend a good wedge on Solanke and youngsters. Solanke is doing OK, but if you prioritize pressing rather than a killer instinct then that's a choice you're making.

I'm tired of the constant backing and transfer spend discussion. We spend plenty. We just choose to squander it on weak minded players. Addressing that mental softness and casualness of this squad is the next key step. A Wanyama like signing - he wasn't a world beater either, but changed the dynamic of that midfield along with dembele to create a really robust side. There's no part of the pitch right now that looks robust.
 

olliec

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I'm not convinced that's the case yet with Ange. They chose to spend on Maddison. Ange thinks he's a leader. They chose to bring werner back. They chose to spend a good wedge on Solanke and youngsters. Solanke is doing OK, but if you prioritize pressing rather than a killer instinct then that's a choice you're making.

I'm tired of the constant backing and transfer spend discussion. We spend plenty. We just choose to squander it on weak minded players. Addressing that mental softness and casualness of this squad is the next key step. A Wanyama like signing - he wasn't a world beater either, but changed the dynamic of that midfield along with dembele to create a really robust side. There's no part of the pitch right now that looks robust.
I disagree. We may put a bit of money for transfer fees like Solanke, but we are not going to pay the wages the top 6 pay, and that’s why no elite players will want to join us.
 
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