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Manager Watch: Ange Postecoglou

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McFlash

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Then it's best he goes.
Best for Levy, but maybe not best for us as a football club.

We need to see something through for once, pick a direction and commit to it properly.
Ange may or may not be the best man for the job but once, just once, I'd like to give a manager a decent chance at success.

Otherwise we're just doomed to this constant cycle of shit.
 

fishhhandaricecake

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I’m still Ange in - although I’ll admit I have to think about it a lot more these days. I do think we’ll get battered tomorrow unfortunately so getting my oar in early.

We need to see through a project. There has been a huge turnover in players and style of play - we’ve gone from an older, experienced, bloated squad to a thin, talented, inexperienced squad. We need to add players but that is easier than replacing them.

Get him a LB and an attacker in Jan. Go all out in Europa. Continue to give the younger players minutes. Don’t panic and try change the style of play. As fans, support them through the challenges and the players will remember it. And if you’re Ange, accept bad performances but not bad attitudes - if a player isn’t working hard, is complacent, or isn’t playing as you ask - drop them, even if it means putting your faith in someone who doesn’t have many minutes.

I reserve the right to delete this after the 7-0 tomorrow!
Love this approach mate
 

kitchen

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I think the very sad thing for Ange is he will likely not be given time to see the signings made in his tenure turn into finished products.

Realistically he needs at least 3 years to see Gray, Bergvall, Odobert, Moore etc. develop their potential. There is no chance our fickle fans will give him that amount of time if he keeps getting injuries like he has done and we subsequently suffer.
 
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McFlash

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As with Mourinho and Conte, we knew this when we signed him to be our manager. He is steadfast in his approach and ideas and believes he doesn’t need to change it, he’s said as much all along.

Why does our board keep doing this? Hiring managers they know won’t change, and then sacking them for doing just that? Rhetorical questions ofcourse. We all know the answer.

They’re literally just throwing shit against the wall and hoping some of it will eventually stick.

It’s embarrassing at this point.
Because the board wants the glory of having a "top manager" but doesn't have the bollocks to back that manager.
All the best manager have a way of playing and are steadfast that their way works, that's why they get success.

Now of course, I'm not saying that Ange IS a top manager but he certainly speaks like one and the board seems to go all gooey at that sort of thing, until it actually comes to providing said manager with what it takes to back up their bullishness.

The board want to be seen as big boys but just don't have the strength to do what it takes.
 
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McFlash

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On the flip side to this, couldn’t it also be argued that these managers all know what Levy is like, so if you’re not willing to adapt to your surroundings why take the job?
Which is maybe why we went from Conte to Ange.
Levy likes the idea of a strong manager but can't give up the control said manager will want.

As @Trix has said, Ange was the easy option, probably because he talks like Conte but was just grateful to be given such a "big" opportunity as Spurs.
At least, that's probably how Daniel 'coys" saw it.
 

Trix

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Best for Levy, but maybe not best for us as a football club.

We need to see something through for once, pick a direction and commit to it properly.
Ange may or may not be the best man for the job but once, just once, I'd like to give a manager a decent chance at success.

Otherwise we're just doomed to this constant cycle of shit.
If we don't push the boat out and get him what he needs then we aren't seeing anything through. We are half arsing it for yet another manager.

I genuinely don't know how much clearer I can make my stance regarding Ange. If we had a board I knew would back him properly I'd be far more inclined to see where he could take us. Imo he needs a fully built squad of 'right fit' players to make his tactics work properly, and he will never get that here.
 

jolsnogross

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If we don't push the boat out and get him what he needs then we aren't seeing anything through. We are half arsing it for yet another manager.

I genuinely don't know how much clearer I can make my stance regarding Ange. If we had a board I knew would back him properly I'd be far more inclined to see where he could take us. Imo he needs a fully built squad of 'right fit' players to make his tactics work properly, and he will never get that here.
He hasn't suggested he isn't getting what he wants in terms of transfers. Maybe this is just a slower turnover than we'd like. But he and the board are all on the same page in terms of understanding what's next in terms out outs and ins. I mean, he himself is saying the signings of young guys is strategic and purposeful and that they're not bring 28 yrs olds in even though that age range is going out.
 

McFlash

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If we don't push the boat out and get him what he needs then we aren't seeing anything through. We are half arsing it for yet another manager.

I genuinely don't know how much clearer I can make my stance regarding Ange. If we had a board I knew would back him properly I'd be far more inclined to see where he could take us. Imo he needs a fully built squad of 'right fit' players to make his tactics work properly, and he will never get that here.
That's what's so frustrating, yet again.
We're just going to keep burning through managers because the only ones that will suit Levy's way of doing things aren't going to get us any success unless they are incredibly lucky.

I'm at my wits end with the way this club is being run and it's so frustrating to watch, again and again.

I've spent many a year swaying this way and that on Levy but the whole Conte debacle was the last straw.
Hiring Ange gave me the usual glimmer of hope again but as per, it's quickly extinguished again.

I just want to see my club push on from what should be a position of strength.
Isn't that what Levy's been telling us he wanted to do?
 

Impspur1

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You sound like you only started following football last week or something. No one is defending people being abusive. But it’s tiring as fuck reading the non stop super fan brigade like you and many others telling people how to feel and act and how to be a “proper” fan.
I don’t think he is, I agree. We all have the right to criticise and voice that. For me there’s a trend in football now fo r it to just get personal. The manager does not deserve that in any way shape or form. Call out his selections, tactics etc and boo if you want but not the other stuff for me. Tin hat ready!
 

McFlash

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He hasn't suggested he isn't getting what he wants in terms of transfers. Maybe this is just a slower turnover than we'd like. But he and the board are all on the same page in terms of understanding what's next in terms out outs and ins. I mean, he himself is saying the signings of young guys is strategic and purposeful and that they're not bring 28 yrs olds in even though that age range is going out.
But do we think that Levy has the stones to see it through when the natives are growing restless?
I reckon he'll panic and pull the trigger again to save himself from being in the spotlight.
 

jolsnogross

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We shouldn't pretend this current vibe isn't results driven. The discussion in here after beating city wasn't complaining about Levy and transfers. It was about getting on the up and up and trying to ensure we brought the same A game to fulham. It's the weak players we have that makes it predictable as anything that we wouldn't carry our good form forward.

If we beat Chelsea tomorrow, will everyone be banging on about spending money and backing the manager?
 

zepstar

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I could tell you all about the thin squad, the lack of depth, how Ange’s system is hard to execute without his best players. How he needs a January and Board support to get his players in. How he won’t change his approach etc.

What’s the point.

The situation is quite simple right now. He needs to take a more pragmatic and tactically flexible approach (a La Thomas Frank) whilst we’re ravaged by injuries, or he’s toast.
 

jolsnogross

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But do we think that Levy has the stones to see it through when the natives are growing restless?
I reckon he'll panic and pull the trigger again to save himself from being in the spotlight.
Yeah, and that's the culture Enic have brought here. Weak at the top and constant flash in the pan players. Maybe he'll surprise us this time and just block out the noise and stick to the plan. At least for another summer window.

But Ange and the recruiters really need to sign a grown up or two. That doesn't necessarily mean experienced. But someone with strong mentality that won't fall in to this group's comfort zone.
 

McFlash

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Yeah, and that's the culture Enic have brought here. Weak at the top and constant flash in the pan players. Maybe he'll surprise us this time and just block out the noise and stick to the plan. At least for another summer window.

But Ange and the recruiters really need to sign a grown up or two. That doesn't necessarily mean experienced. But someone with strong mentality that won't fall in to this group's comfort zone.
Yeah, I mean, I'm nearly 50 and just feel like I'm stuck in a loop with this club.
The current frustration comes from the fact that the facilities and club have grown massively over the past 20 years but in all honesty, it feels like we're in pretty much the same place on the pitch.

I waited excitedly and with baited breath while the stadium was built, dreaming that it was the start of something special happening at the club I adore.
Yet here we are, going through the same motions again.
 

McFlash

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We shouldn't pretend this current vibe isn't results driven. The discussion in here after beating city wasn't complaining about Levy and transfers. It was about getting on the up and up and trying to ensure we brought the same A game to fulham. It's the weak players we have that makes it predictable as anything that we wouldn't carry our good form forward.

If we beat Chelsea tomorrow, will everyone be banging on about spending money and backing the manager?
That's because football and this club has us firmly by the emotional short and curlies.

That's why we've all been bickering so much on here over the past few weeks, because we're emotionally involved with Spurs, we all want the club to succeed but when things are fraught, that emotion spills out on each other.

I do think though, no matter the result tomorrow, Thursday or next month, we shouldn't accept anything but properly backing whatever manager we have in charge.
We've failed all of them over the past 20 odd years.
(By that I mean the club, not us fans).
 

Ledley's Right Foot

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If we don't push the boat out and get him what he needs then we aren't seeing anything through. We are half arsing it for yet another manager.

I genuinely don't know how much clearer I can make my stance regarding Ange. If we had a board I knew would back him properly I'd be far more inclined to see where he could take us. Imo he needs a fully built squad of 'right fit' players to make his tactics work properly, and he will never get that here.

I genuinely don't see that (bold) as the problem. I think he has a philosophy that relies on great coaching. At Celtic his coaching team was first class. I'm not convinced he made the best choices for his team here (Wells aside). He relies on them and his style is to delegate. I think his coaching team dont get what he is trying to do and the messages to the players are failing in between the lines. It's on him, they are his choices, but I think his belief in his coaching team has blinded him to some obvious deficiencies. It's a real shame because I think he is right about the way forward for us as a club but I'm seeing some ominous writing on the wall.

I
 

olliec

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He needs better players. Anyone coming in needs better players and more of them.

unfortunately that takes time, especially under these owners (if it even happens at all) and people can’t control that so they want the quick hit of changing the manager.
Ange won’t get top players. I see Arsenal and Chelsea linked with isak, but we don’t even have a sniff. You know why? Levy doesn’t want to pay the wages for top players. Hence why we got Solanke and a bunch of kids. Welcome to the norm.
 

sundanceyid10

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Sssshhh Levy is watching a Kevin Costner film, he has built the stadium they will just come. He doesn’t need to pay wages he has seen it happen in a movie 🍿

#TrustTheProcess
 

NEVILLEB

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Maybe some--like me—aren’t defensive over Ange specifically. Rather, it is exhaustion with the process of starting over yet again.

As for the point about failing again with a new manager in 18 months… I wouldn’t take that as literal. Rather, it is indicative of us constantly changing our manager for four decades. Yes, we’ve had a few stay for three seasons and change over that time… but have still won F all. Only Ramos, Venables, and Graham have won trophies since 1984. We have gone through at least 25 gaffers since.

The best manager we have had during that time was Poch and he won nothing.

I get the impatience and doubt. But it has become our ‘go to’ when the chips are down. We can’t snap our fingers and bring in new players. We can’t make Levy leave. We can only make our home ground hostile to the coach, as that’s the easiest change to make. The only area where fans have a tiny smidge of influence.

The fan base is restless. I have supported Spurs since 1980, and I have just about given up. They delight me and infuriate me. Ultimately the team has had far too much of an impact on my mental wellbeing at times. That’s not good.

So, I just don’t see how changing Ange out will help us get over this multi generational hump. Why not try something completely weird… something we actually havent done in 40 years… give the manager more time, and hope that if they get more of the players they need, a bit of luck with injuries, and they also apply a wee more flexibility to their tactics… Then who knows?

Weve tried everything and everyone else. Why not try something bizarre like giving the coach a three year remit?
It’s not about giving the Managers more time though is it. The player recruitment is poor and has been for a very long time. We scout and sign defenders who can’t defend on an endless conveyor belt. Bang average strikers. Weak minded players who point fingers instead of taking responsibility.

We’ve got to force Levy out. It’s the only solution.
 
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