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Manager Watch: Ange Postecoglou

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Bobbins

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Interesting take from Maresca when asked about Ange essentially only playing one way…
"We usually change our structure or game plan depending on the opponent. The Brighton game, it was one way, and against Aston Villa, completely different. You cannot use the same plan for both games. Brighton were high-pressing and they leave a lot of space in behind. Villa, they were low block, just waiting, so if you do the same plan for both games, probably one of them is not the right one."

Saw an interesting article about Maresca the other day where it was pointed out that rather than try to impose his usual preferred systems on the Chelsea squad, he has instead worked out finding simple ways to set his teams up which suit his players and make the most of their talents without trying to tie them to strict tactical systems.

On the one hand it’s why they’ve conceded quite a few goals, as they’re defending “by the basics”, but it also shows that going forwards they’ve essentially unleashed their ridiculously talented squad to do what they do best.

Against different opponents he tweaks the starting 11 and the tactical set up but remains relatively simple.

Sounds like the Holy Grail of a manager.
 

Albertbarich

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Paul o’Keene made an interesting observation. He thinks Anges downfall won’t be if the fans turn on him, but we turn on Levy.

He thinks Levy is a coward so he will be reactive if he personally gets some shit. It wasn’t ITK , more opinion but I think he may have a point.

I fully expect plenty of anti Levy chants tomorrow and if we lose it could be interesting.
 

Hercules

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His downfall will be because there is a large section of fans who want instant success and that isn't the game plan - and that difference in what the journey is will be the downfall if we don't all back him.
Don’t try to impose your opinion. What I have stated has come out of his own mouth, and examine the stats on W/L/D since our collapse at home to chavs last season. Especially since beginning of year. That’s evident itself, and needs no crowd calling out ENIC.
 

Fidget

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Ange's system is an incredibly constant high line so it involves a ton more sprints and long sustained sprints than probably any other team in the league and ex and current players and coaches have said his training represents his matches so there will likely be a ton of sprint work in that, probably why so many of our players, especially the CB's and wingers keep getting hamstring injuries.

It can't be a coincidence and tbh makes a lot of sense.

I want to keep backing Ange and for him to succeed but can't argue with Trix on this one in that it does seem like Ange's tactics are causing us to get a lot more injuries than other teams which is then having a knock on effect on our performances.

This maybe worked in lesser leagues where his teams dominated a lot more of the games but in the PL and EL he is possibly frying the players.
Don’t buy that top athletes who have to train hard get more injuries. Top sprinters don’t get loads of hamstring injuries. They train hard every single day and that builds stamina too. Also don’t see a lot of this sprinting on the pitch with a lot of ours.
 

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Regardless of what a lot of fans on here expect in way of results from spurs, there is no doubting the league is ar more competitive than its ever been and there is a lot of entitlement. Today alone newcastle got thrashed by Brentford, city could only manage a draw to palace and man utd lose to forest at home.
 

Fidget

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I think we overplay our best players.

we desperately need needed a quick aggressive version of Davies in the summer . Not to replace but complement him, Micky and Destiny so nobody plays too much. Instead all Ange has is Micky and he gets played into the ground as we miss his pace so much. Vicarious injury is unfortunate but it’s mad we don’t have another keeper fighting him for a place.
The midfield. Man don’t get me started . A collection of brainless, weak footballers. All of whom look magnificent at times but they’re all so inconsistent.
Up top I was thinking tonight that it sums up our lack of options that Brennan Johnson was still on the pitch because to be quite honest with you he was doing a poor impression of a footballer. We should be able to rotate these lads, put pressure on them, force them to perform.
Instead Ange is left with a tiny pool of players to select from for his best side and they coast more often than not.
It’s infuriating.
Yep and I’d argue that they’re lazy rather than inconsistent.
Did think that by now Ange would have been playing the youngsters more especially after the pre-season performances. Also maybe because the more ‘senior’ players aren’t so willing to just bloody try harder.
 

-Afri-Coy-

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If he doesn’t change quick he will die on his own sword.

As with Mourinho and Conte, we knew this when we signed him to be our manager. He is steadfast in his approach and ideas and believes he doesn’t need to change it, he’s said as much all along.

Why does our board keep doing this? Hiring managers they know won’t change, and then sacking them for doing just that? Rhetorical questions ofcourse. We all know the answer.

They’re literally just throwing shit against the wall and hoping some of it will eventually stick.

It’s embarrassing at this point.
 

Cambridge Spur

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As with Mourinho and Conte, we knew this when we signed him to be our manager. He is steadfast in his approach and ideas and believes he doesn’t need to change it, he’s said as much all along.

Why does our board keep doing this? Hiring managers they know won’t change, and then sacking them for doing just that? Rhetorical questions ofcourse. We all know the answer.

They’re literally just throwing shit against the wall and hoping some of it will eventually stick.

It’s embarrassing at this point.
On the flip side to this, couldn’t it also be argued that these managers all know what Levy is like, so if you’re not willing to adapt to your surroundings why take the job?
 

Hercules

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As with Mourinho and Conte, we knew this when we signed him to be our manager. He is steadfast in his approach and ideas and believes he doesn’t need to change it, he’s said as much all along.

Why does our board keep doing this? Hiring managers they know won’t change, and then sacking them for doing just that? Rhetorical questions ofcourse. We all know the answer.

They’re literally just throwing shit against the wall and hoping some of it will eventually stick.

It’s embarrassing at this point.
They simply need to hire a coach rather than a manager. Not that I like it, but let’s accept recruitment is down to what the chairman dictates as in directives
 

-Afri-Coy-

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You’re banging your head against a brick wall mate. There’s so many saints on here it’s unbelievable! Many of them have probably never been to a game in their lives.

Our clubs financials wouldn’t look anywhere near as good as they do without the tv rights and merchandise sales, which requires the millions of fans around the world paying for these things.

Be grateful if you’re able to attend matches in person, it’s something that will remain a dream for 99% of the fan base that have allowed the club to get to where it is today.

No single fan is better than any other.
 

-Afri-Coy-

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On the flip side to this, couldn’t it also be argued that these managers all know what Levy is like, so if you’re not willing to adapt to your surroundings why take the job?

If it were the first time this has happened, I would be inclined to agree with you here.

This is the third occasion, and there’s only one common denominator here.

Our board has absolutely no idea what they’re doing. There is plenty of evidence to support this.
 

BPR_U16

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Don’t try to impose your opinion. What I have stated has come out of his own mouth, and examine the stats on W/L/D since our collapse at home to chavs last season. Especially since beginning of year. That’s evident itself, and needs no crowd calling out ENIC.
I always welcome your opinion and insights particularly when it comes to transfer gossip and never put people down for having an alternative view. I hope you can do same.

I also most certaiy do not look to impose my opinion on anyone - if it is a different view then so be it.

As you and others stated in the transfer window Ange had been backed for the long haul, success would not be instant - the concern was always what the short term would bring.. this season has brought both highs and lows, and as someone who goes to every home game I have sat through the lows of Ipswich.

I still believe though that progress is happening but not at the rate we would like. Injuries and squad depth have had a huge impact. Ange has made mistakes too.

If you see it differently then so be it, but whilst he is our manager I will continue to back him after all the football is still more watchable than that under Mourinho and Conte.
 

Cambridge Spur

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Our clubs financials wouldn’t look anywhere near as good as they do without the tv rights and merchandise sales, which requires the millions of fans around the world paying for these things.

Be grateful if you’re able to attend matches in person, it’s something that will remain a dream for 99% of the fan base that have allowed the club to get to where it is today.

No single fan is better than any other.
I’m not knocking fans who can’t go to games, I’m taking aim at fans that constantly bash match going fans and it’s clear to me that they don’t understand what goes on in the stadium before, during or after a game.
 

Cambridge Spur

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If it were the first time this has happened, I would be inclined to agree with you here.

This is the third occasion, and there’s only one common denominator here.

Our board has absolutely no idea what they’re doing. There is plenty of evidence to support this.
I do agree to a point I’m merely looking at it from another angle.

In fairness to Ange, he has been steadfast in his comments about the squad. Maybe that will change if he gets the sack but at the moment all we can go on is his comments stating that he wanted the players given to him.
 

-Afri-Coy-

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I’m not knocking fans who can’t go to games, I’m taking aim at fans that constantly bash match going fans and it’s clear to me that they don’t understand what goes on in the stadium before, during or after a game.

Apologies, I did try to follow the thread of posts you were replying to, and just thought I would add to your response, no malice intended.
 

Hercules

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I always welcome your opinion and insights particularly when it comes to transfer gossip and never put people down for having an alternative view. I hope you can do same.

I also most certaiy do not look to impose my opinion on anyone - if it is a different view then so be it.

As you and others stated in the transfer window Ange had been backed for the long haul, success would not be instant - the concern was always what the short term would bring.. this season has brought both highs and lows, and as someone who goes to every home game I have sat through the lows of Ipswich.

I still believe though that progress is happening but not at the rate we would like. Injuries and squad depth have had a huge impact. Ange has made mistakes too.

If you see it differently then so be it, but whilst he is our manager I will continue to back him after all the football is still more watchable than that under Mourinho and Conte.
For the record, I don’t want him sacked. But he is not helping himself. There is a lot of things we cannot discuss or disclose. I’m fed up of rinse and repeat. I want to see us win against all odds tomorrow. But Ange definitely has to tweak and change, be pragmatic when needed, then there is a chance. But will he?
 

freeeki

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You’re banging your head against a brick wall mate. There’s so many saints on here it’s unbelievable! Many of them have probably never been to a game in their lives.

Not saints, just people who don’t abuse our players and managers as soon as they hit a bad run of form.

Hardly any wonder we don’t have a culture of players wanting to run through brick walls for the club - why would they with the way our glorious and revered fans go on with themselves when the team need their support the most?
 

-Afri-Coy-

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I do agree to a point I’m merely looking at it from another angle.

In fairness to Ange, he has been steadfast in his comments about the squad. Maybe that will change if he gets the sack but at the moment all we can go on is his comments stating that he wanted the players given to him.

Our goal difference tells me the one lingering problem I’ve been pointing out since the beginning of the season is his stubborn approach to how our fullbacks play.

I honestly believe had we had an alteration in certain games where Porro/Udogie play the traditional role instead of the inverted role, we would have more points on the board and our goal difference would look even better.

It’s a simple tweak in transitional phases of the game that would improve the rest of his tactics and our overall play.
 

Fidget

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Then it's best he goes.
In what way is not changing a bad thing?
I think he should get this window and next summer and if no improvement by then, I’d say it was time.
We need to buy players in the positions we need to strengthen to suit him.
He needs to bring through Odobert (who hardly got a game before the injury but looked promising), Bergvall, Mikey, Archie Gray and a couple of other youngsters to be good enough to be first choice, so that if others continue to be up and down they can be dropped. That’s on Ange.
We need to get rid of Richarlison (much as I like him he is totally injury prone) and Werner (not complete enough) and maybe Sonny (way past his best) because they’re not gonna improve on said weaknesses. Then we need to replace them.
Johnson should either be turned into an out and out striker, or just used as a late substitute.
It’s a lot to be done and I don’t need to say who needs to give any funding that’s needed.
Then, when we’ve really tried to, for ONCE, give the manager what is reasonably required to help his aims, we can honestly say we care about the football team like we care about the business and come Xmas ‘25 the manager is not the one.
Surely that’s the way to go, otherwise we’ll never know.
 
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Saw an interesting article about Maresca the other day where it was pointed out that rather than try to impose his usual preferred systems on the Chelsea squad, he has instead worked out finding simple ways to set his teams up which suit his players and make the most of their talents without trying to tie them to strict tactical systems.

On the one hand it’s why they’ve conceded quite a few goals, as they’re defending “by the basics”, but it also shows that going forwards they’ve essentially unleashed their ridiculously talented squad to do what they do best.

Against different opponents he tweaks the starting 11 and the tactical set up but remains relatively simple.

Sounds like the Holy Grail of a manager.

I look forward to him joining us and failing to succeed in a couple of years when Chelsea have sacked him.
 
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