Manager Watch: Ange Postecoglou

[E17yid]

Another one.


Who do you think we can bring in before the season is over, that will do better than Ange? I keep asking this of the folks who seem to not buy what the coach is selling. If not him, who?

I just don’t see how anyone could do better with this same squad. As for dismissing our injury issues… that’s a self serving suggestion. To basically say, “so what” to missing key players and then comparing us to Newcastle and United from last year is a false equivalence. The scenarios are completely differen

 

[Albertbarich]

I think the issue is fully Enic and levy. I think changing the manager is a total waste of time but it’s not some cardinal sin to believe he isn’t the man for the job.. the last year hasn’t been great, people are entitled to question everything about the club right now, including him.

saying that I’m fully Ange in!

 

[yido_number1]

Are you calling yourself pathetic or are you a better fan?

I'm in that number so I'll take it. I don't tend to lean into sacking managers and I don't think you'll find many posts from me calling for it.

We're a unit and as a unit we think we're a big club and should be winning everything and hold managers to account for that. We'd have sacked arteta, we sacked poch, we broke conte, we stabbed jol in the back.

Time to stop the cycle and support this one.

 

[Jaddas]

I don't disagree with people that we need to see through a project, and can't continue with this cycle of hiring and firing, but does anyone really think Ange will be backed?

He needs a top class DM, and 2 very good WF as a minimum. Not kids who may come good in a couple of years. If he isn't going to be backed (which we know he won't), then what's the point in limping along?

I think people asking for a change know Ange won't be backed, and hope we get lucky by stumbling across a new Poch type. They don't have anything against Ange, and want him to succeed, but realise he won't compromise on his principles and won't be backed.

The reason we have a divided fanbase is because of one man, and one man only. Daniel bloody Levy.

 

[mattstev2000]

Some people seem to be so attached to Ange the man that they're ignoring the football.

It's been pretty mediocre for most of last season and all of this one.

Nothing to do with injuries, nothing to do with squad depth, nothing to do with recruitment, simply the quality of the football and the tactical acumen we show.

I understand wanting to stop the constant managerial changes but hitching your wagon to any horse no matter what they are capable of simply because they are in currently in post isn't the way to achieve success.

 

[Styopa]

I think the issue is fully Enic and levy. I think changing the manager is a total waste of time but it’s not some cardinal sin to believe he isn’t the man for the job.. the last year hasn’t been great, people are entitled to question everything about the club right now, including him.

saying that I’m fully Ange in!

To me, focusing on replacing Ange is like hiring painters and decorators to give your house a fresh coat of paint, while the foundation is crumbling beneath it. The house might look nicer with a fresh coat of paint, but unless you fix the foundation, it will collapse, no matter how good it looks on the surface.

 

[Albertbarich]

To me, focusing on replacing Ange is like hiring painters and decorators to give your house a fresh coat of paint, while the foundation is crumbling beneath it. The house might look nicer with a fresh coat of paint, but unless you fix the foundation, it will collapse, no matter how good it looks on the surface.

Jon bass said it on the fighting cock perfectly this week.

we can’t get Enic out, we can’t just get rid of all the players. So sacking the manager is the one tangible change fans can effect so it’s something to cling onto to hope for better.

But after 24 or so years we should have learned that the issue is above and we’re now just doing it for the sake of it.

 

[freeeki]

I know I’ve been all pious about abusing managers in this thread, however, I’m off to Altrincham vs Macclesfield today and I’ve just discovered Macc’s manager is Robbie Savage.

Forget everything I said lads, managers are fair game, that prick’s getting it both barrels from me today.

 

[mil1lion]

It's really not bad enough to be talking about change. We're very up and down like most clubs this season. We played great at City 2 weeks ago so I don't know why I see comments about us being so bad all the time. We've had a bad couple of games. Solid 1st half against Roma and then really poor 2nd half but almost dug out the win. Poor all game against Fulham and Bournemouth with just 1 point taken. The squad is severely stretched though and as Ange said before the Bournemouth game some are running on fumes now. We have to weather the storm and see how we come out 2nd half of the season. Talk about keeping him is not misguided. It's based on what happened with Jose and Conte too. So whether you think Ange is the right man one thing is for sure, they can't have all been the wrong man.

 

[Tucker]

Are we just looking at a 5 year window I take it as we did have a really good one for quite a few years prior to that.

I’m a bit disappointed you think I’m doing this in bad faith. I’ve been pretty honest with my takes and how I’ve perceived other people’s posts. I’ve said words like “seems” I’ve even conceded to A&C this could be on me reading things wrong but if you want to think I’m doing this in bad faith that’s fine but I would’ve liked to think that you wouldn’t think I would be like that. Stupid? maybe, a ****? Quite possibly but bad faith? that hurts. lol.

Maybe I’ve misread it and sorry if it came across as hurtful. But I still don’t believe that it’s a fair thing to accuse people of to say that their saying sticking with Ange guarantees success, you’ve given a few examples now, and none of them really come close to what you were saying about “trebles,” or him being the “best manager in the world.”

Hyperbole or not.

I think it’s best we just leave it there.

 

[mil1lion]

Some people seem to be so attached to Ange the man that they're ignoring the football.

It's been pretty mediocre for most of last season and all of this one.

Nothing to do with injuries, nothing to do with squad depth, nothing to do with recruitment, simply the quality of the football and the tactical acumen we show.

I understand wanting to stop the constant managerial changes but hitching your wagon to any horse no matter what they are capable of simply because they are in currently in post isn't the way to achieve success.

Pretty mediocre all of this season my arse

 

[Tucker]

It seem to be so attached to Ange the man that they're ignoring the football.

It's been pretty mediocre for most of last season and all of this one.

Nothing to do with injuries, nothing to do with squad depth, nothing to do with recruitment, simply the quality of the football and the tactical acumen we show.

I understand wanting to stop the constant managerial changes but hitching your wagon to any horse no matter what they are capable of simply because they are in currently in post isn't the way to achieve success.

Completely disagree with this. The football at times has been absolutely glorious. Inconsistent, sure, but far from mediocre.

I don’t think it’s an honest assessment if you choose to ignore the context of the injuries, squad depth issues and poor transfer windows either.

It’s like hiring a builder to do an extension only letting him use half his tools, half his supplies and then moaning because it’s not finished yet.

 

[E17yid]

Maybe I’ve misread it and sorry if it came across as hurtful. But I still don’t believe that it’s a fair thing to accuse people of to say that their saying sticking with Ange guarantees success, you’ve given a few examples now, and none of them really come close to what you were saying about “trebles,” or him being the “best manager in the world.”

Hyperbole or not.

I think it’s best we just leave it there.

Yeah that’s cool we can leave it. As I said, I’ve maybe misinterpreted people’s hope/wishful thinking as being confident assertions on how it’s going to play out under Ange which is obviously on me if so. We all want him to succeed don’t we and while I’m probably about 50/50 on whether he’ll turn out to be amazing or shit he 100% should have the season (as long as the players don’t throw him under the bus)

 

[Cochise]

He keeps talking about changing the mentality at the club but nobody can unless our recruitment model changes.

I was disappointed with the summer business as it pointed to a club going nowhere in the immediate future. Imagine being an established senior player and seeing your new team mates are for the most part kids and a guy who can't finish a packet of crisps on loan.

The Danny Rose google story is legitimate no matter if you don't like it. If you are a top player aspiring to win things then you want the players joining to be of the same calibre as yourself or better. If every new recruit is below your level then you start to question staying at the club. Why give your best to an organisation if they won't do the same for you? We can all shout about that's what they are paid to do, but you can only give your best for so long before you start to ask "why bother".

If you want to change the mentality of a business then you have to get those already there on board with your plan and I don't think there are enough players on board to the extent that they'll run through walls for the cause.

Ange has been massively screwed over by the injury list, but I can't say he is blameless either. His plan is to out run his opponents, to make us a nightmare to play against but at the same time we can argue that his inability to implement a plan B whilst this injury crisis is upon us is exacerbating the problem.

I've upset people describing us as a mid table side, but the fact is our recruitment has been just that. The performances are matching the first team investment, we could be doing better but we've essentially stood still this summer whilst those below us have caught us up.

 

[mattstev2000]

Completely disagree with this. The football at times has been absolutely glorious. Inconsistent, sure, but far from mediocre.

I don’t think it’s an honest assessment if you choose to ignore the context of the injuries, squad depth issues and poor transfer windows either.

It’s like hiring a builder to do an extension only letting him use half his tools, half his supplies and then moaning because it’s not finished yet.

I honestly don't understand what you've been watching to describe pretty much any of the football as glorious.

It's been naive, dreadful defensively and relies massively on luck.

The builder in question has plenty of tools to beat the majority of the teams we've lost or drawn against.

But different strokes for different folks I guess.

 

[npearl4spurs]

He got a 4 year deal and he had/has a vision for the club. We know that the board never share the same vision as the manager or at least are not putting in the best effort to execute it. So long as our wages remain far lower than the top clubs, we will suffer accordingly. I think we have all recognized or acknowledged this fact, but it must be front and center. We are not investing as our financial position warrants, and we are justly reaping the fruit.

There have been many positives yet also quite a series of unfortunate events outside of Ange's control. Besides his training methods raising the injury threshold, he can't prevent injuries from happening. We did not adequately build the squad to handle those injuries.

Those on the other side have a right to point out that he has also shot himself in the foot a fair few times. But I believe we all recognize that the way he wants to play is right in line with what we largely want as fans - and many results have shown that.

He needs to be backed by the board with investment. Proper investment. Players, scouting, backroom staff, medical team - whatever is lacking ought to be supplied.

We're doomed to repeat the same mistakes otherwise because the whole ship is in dire condition - not the man steering it.

 

[thebenjamin]

Yeah, and you can say that about every single manager of every single club in history.

I can't say even that about the majority of Spurs managers in my lifetime

Pleat in 87, Venables, and Pochettino. Now Ange.

Other than that, a lot of nothing.

 

[chas vs dave]

Some people seem to be so attached to Ange the man that they're ignoring the football.

It's been pretty mediocre for most of last season and all of this one.

All of this one? Thats a reach.

 

[Oh Teddy Teddy]

I honestly don't understand what you've been watching to describe pretty much any of the football as glorious.

It's been naive, dreadful defensively and relies massively on luck.

The builder in question has plenty of tools to beat the majority of the teams we've lost or drawn against.

But different strokes for different folks I guess.

Absolute nonsense. I agree the last couple of weeks outside of the City game have been reliant on fairly average squad players who look knackered, but you’re allowing your agenda here to cover up the fact that we’ve played some excellent stuff this season.

Up until last GW, fairly sure we’d also scored the most goals and that only Liverpool, Chelsea had conceded fewer. The poor form we’re in plus last season’s end is blinding a few.

 

[mil1lion]

I honestly don't understand what you've been watching to describe pretty much any of the football as glorious.

It's been naive, dreadful defensively and relies massively on luck.

The builder in question has plenty of tools to beat the majority of the teams we've lost or drawn against.

But different strokes for different folks I guess.

He said at times it's been glorious and it has. There's been some great football at times and some wonderful team goals. It's also been dreadful at times as well. I think that's why there's a split among fans. Some will focus more on the good stuff and feel if it looks great at times there's chance it can consistently look that way. Others will focus more on the bad stuff and feel you can't succeed conceding the way we have and with the inconsistencies.

Sorry but your views are totally one sided and dismiss the good we've done. You talk in absolute terms and it's by no means absolute either good or bad. There are plenty of examples where we have not relied on luck or looked dreadful or naive. But then there are a number of posters on here going to one extreme and not offering anything balanced. There are positives and negatives and those who focus solely on one are honestly not worth taking seriously. Particularly those who are not happy because they love to exaggerate the bad points and make out that it's wors than it is or happens all the time.