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Manager Watch: Ange Postecoglou

only1waddle

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Paratici managed to work within the confines well enough - it's not like we were splashing out on mega wages when he was the DOF.

Lange has had a fair bit of money to spend FWIW.

Paratici also spent the best part of £50m plus Lamela on Gil and Emerson, he's not perfect either
 

brendanb50

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My thoughts are that the bodies come after we establish the first team players
I think Ange sees it more as a blend and whilst this could just be for public consumption he pretty much says it in the Bournemouth presser, specifically from minutes 15/16

 
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RELISYS

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Lange is a Technical Director not a Sporting Director, If he where a Car he would be the engine and Paratici would be the Body work. Paratici gets a lot of praise for overhauling the scouting department when he was here but the Club/Paratici actually hired a consultant to help him.
 

jolsnogross

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Bit of a flat presser. Not very bullish about our prospects this season. Good that he was asked about Spence and using the squad. But definitely giving the impression we're just drifting along this season again. And after last season's complaint about not playing often enough to get into a rhythm, he stopped just short of moaning about this season's Sunday- Thursday tempo and lack of recovery time.
 

Trix

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Ah. That makes it a bit more negative.

Okay we need to give him time but if his main successes are young potential but isn't targetting the right players for immediate impact then we won't see any success.
Depends what his remit is I suppose. I would doubt very much he has Carte Blanche on what he can and can't do as far as the profile/age/price of the players is concerned.
 

Rout-Ledge

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Bit of a flat presser. Not very bullish about our prospects this season.
Compare and contrast with his extremely bullish statements at the start of last season. I think the reality of our place in the pecking order and how difficult it will be for us to compete with the top clubs has sunk in
 

Albertbarich

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Compare and contrast with his extremely bullish statements at the start of last season. I think the reality of our place in the pecking order and how difficult it will be for us to compete with the top clubs has sunk in
January wil be telling j think.

The gap isn’t huge so if we make a couple of smart signings we can make inroads but the sort of signings we need cost money and lots of it.

I don’t expect statement signings but I’d hope we address a couple of areas where we’re struggling.
 

keithtighe93

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January wil be telling j think.

The gap isn’t huge so if we make a couple of smart signings we can make inroads but the sort of signings we need cost money and lots of it.

I don’t expect statement signings but I’d hope we address a couple of areas where we’re struggling.

Don’t get your hopes up bud.

Can’t see us signing anyone personally.
 

Rout-Ledge

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January wil be telling j think.

The gap isn’t huge so if we make a couple of smart signings we can make inroads but the sort of signings we need cost money and lots of it.

I don’t expect statement signings but I’d hope we address a couple of areas where we’re struggling.
I think we will be disappointed. I don’t expect much at all in January in the way of ‘straight into the first 11’ signings. Based on the summer, I think the board is primarily focused on mid-long term future squad building.
 

mil1lion

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Bit of a flat presser. Not very bullish about our prospects this season. Good that he was asked about Spence and using the squad. But definitely giving the impression we're just drifting along this season again. And after last season's complaint about not playing often enough to get into a rhythm, he stopped just short of moaning about this season's Sunday- Thursday tempo and lack of recovery time.
He should be used to the turnaround from his time at Celtic. You also can't manage a top club and have an issue with the schedule. We play in Europe pretty much every season here so you know what to expect. There's no difference if we played Saturday and then Tuesday or Sunday and then Wednesday either. We need to figure out a solution to why our games Sunday after Thursday are often so poor.
 

Jaddas

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Bit of a flat presser. Not very bullish about our prospects this season. Good that he was asked about Spence and using the squad. But definitely giving the impression we're just drifting along this season again. And after last season's complaint about not playing often enough to get into a rhythm, he stopped just short of moaning about this season's Sunday- Thursday tempo and lack of recovery time.
Yet it was only 2 months ago when he said "I don't usually win things I always win things in my second year. Nothing's changed."
 

chas vs dave

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I'm like a broken record saying this again, but there actually IS complete sense in our results. They are only baffling if you solely concentrate analysis on Spurs.

Teams that rough us up, press fiercely and show urgency/energy always do better against us. City gave us space, Palace didn't. How is this so totally beyond people's comprehension that we lost one and won the other ? Teams lower in the league must be energetic to compensate for the lack of expensive technical players, therefore we find them difficult to beat as they have to be intense to survive.

We are a team who must have space to play or we lose interest/get scared of losing the ball to energetic presses and turn in flat performances.

So a quick solution to this bafflement here. Stop assessing opposition with reference to their table position and start looking at what they do on the field before deciding who we should be beating.
City didnt give us space. They were high up the pitch, and pressed us. We just managed to spring the trap.

Ipswich sat off a lot more than them, or brentford, or fulham.

I think we struggle when teams make the game slow and attritional.
 

JUSTINSIGNAL

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And they can be energetic because they didn't play in the previous few days in Europe. I wonder how we'd be doing if the fixutre computer had matched us up against other teams in Europe on Sundays after Europa league games, instead of week-rested teams battling for their Premier league livelihoods.

Agree with this. Our strength is our energy, pressing and movement. Once this is diminished through fatigue we become a shadow of our self.

It was very similar under Poch. I remember numerous matches after Europa or champion league games where we toiled against mid to lower placed prem teams. Difference is back then we were defensively more sound and Eriksen or Dele would usually pop up with a winner or rescue a point for us.

I feel Ange does need to find a way to manage the squad and tweak tactics when we are suffering from injuries and subsequently fatigue because we can’t rotate. These issues aren’t going to just sort themselves out as the way we’d play means we’ll constantly pick up injuries and become fatigued. So he needs to come up with a solution that means we’re still able to grind out wins despite this.
 

muppetman

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Going on the presser I don't think we will be seeing a huge amount of Djed - presumably not impressing enough
 

Albertbarich

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Agree with this. Our strength is our energy, pressing and movement. Once this is diminished through fatigue we become a shadow of our self.

It was very similar under Poch. I remember numerous matches after Europa or champion league games where we toiled against mid to lower placed prem teams. Difference is back then we were defensively more sound and Eriksen or Dele would usually pop up with a winner or rescue a point for us.

I feel Ange does need to find a way to manage the squad and tweak tactics when we are suffering from injuries and subsequently fatigue because we can’t rotate. These issues aren’t going to just sort themselves out as the way we’d play means we’ll constantly pick up injuries and become fatigued. So he needs to come up with a solution that means we’re still able to grind out wins despite this.
If he doesn’t think certain players can handle it then he is in a no win situation.

if he decides to hell with it and throws Gray and Bergvall into midfield , Spence at right back, Lankshear up top and they flop then what? He has gone against something he looks like he believes in and it possibly harms their development.

It’s why it’s so crucial to back the manager. He has to be able to follow his convictions though, you don’t get to that level by being full of doubt and he will trust his instincts that certain players aren’t ready until they prove him wrong in training (I suspect) or one side leaves.

To be fair to Ange he has given Mikey Moore and Pape Sarr plenty of opportunities so I don’t believe he is against young players but like any manager he has to think they’re ready to handle the pressure/intensity/level, that comes with first team football.
 

greaves

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He should be used to the turnaround from his time at Celtic. You also can't manage a top club and have an issue with the schedule. We play in Europe pretty much every season here so you know what to expect. There's no difference if we played Saturday and then Tuesday or Sunday and then Wednesday either. We need to figure out a solution to why our games Sunday after Thursday are often so poor.
Strangely, I believe there is a difference between a Wednesday/Saturday pattern and a Thursday/Sunday one. It is a little nebulous but is to do with feeling and energy. Basically, the latter is more relaxed, soporific. The difference between an espresso and a warm milk. It would be interesting to see if there has been any research on this (kick-off times I think can have a similar bearing). The argument can be made that this should not affect professional athletes but easier said than done. It certainly affects fans and what we bring to a match.
 
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