Manager Watch: Ange Postecoglou

[stormfly]

Spurs have been underachievers for ages. I’m happy to see how we do with Ange. If we are still underachieving in two more seasons then revisit it. Worst case scenario is we underachieved but played some exciting football or the best case it clicks and we win stuff.

 

[teddy_sheringham_125]

Not sure if posted yet, but this may be considered by some as a little too accurate:

 

[Mooger Fooger]

Not sure if posted yet, but this may be considered by some as a little too accurate:

Absolutely brilliant. Spot on.

 

[Pochemon94]

I thought it was the da t that left wouldn’t pay his release clause. Didn’t this come out when he went to liverpool that they paid it straight off whereas Levy haggled and didn’t want to pay it.

also we didn't want to pay for his backroom staff as we were scared that if he didn't work out we'd have to pay them all off and get burned again.

 

[Pochemon94]

Upgrading the peak players has to be the priority.

the problem is, we won't pay the wages to get that done. what we are doing are buying youth praying that they blossom into better peak playes than what we got and we can hold onto them while it happens.

 

[mil1lion]

Not sure if posted yet, but this may be considered by some as a little too accurate:

Funny but actually more close to the mark would be saying that you asked to make the chicken but gave me the ingredients for the sponge.

 

[vinsomer]

I’m with Ange till the bitter end. Yeah, he has lots of flaws, all extensively discussed here, but I’m tired of fooling myself that things will change under the current administration that only sees us as a business, and not a football club. It’s not like they will fire Ange and bring someone better or give Ange or anyone else elite ready made players and the conditions to compete at the highest level. If things are going to be like this, I rather spent it with someone brave, who has belief in himself and own his actions, who gets us and reflects what this club used to be about. It’s hard for us to win anything with Levy and co., but if somehow we manage to win with Ange, I’m sure it will be special. It made me sad to realize that things won’t change and that we are destined to be a profitable mid-table club that gets from the owners just what it takes to get hopes up, but never enough to actually challenge for greatness, but that freed me from false expectations and did bits to my mental health. I’m Ange In, fuck it all.

 

[E17yid]

I’m with Ange till the bitter end. Yeah, he have lots of flaws, all extensively discussed here, but I’m tired of fooling myself that things will change under the current administration that only sees us as a business, and not a football club. It’s not like they will fire Ange and bring someone better or give Ange or anyone else elite ready made players and the conditions to compete at the highest level. If things are going to be like this, I rather spent it with someone brave, who has belief in himself and own his actions, who gets us and reflects what this club used to be about. It’s hard for us to win anything with Levy and co., but if somehow we manage to win with Ange, I’m sure it will be special. It made me sad to realize that things won’t change and that we are destined to be a profitable mid-table club that gets from the owners just what it takes to get hopes up, but never enough to actually challenge for greatness, but that freed me from false expectations and did bits to my mental health. I’m Ange In, fuck it all.

What does the bitter end mean? Until he or you die? Or until Levy liquidates the club?

Would you back Ange if we got relegated or is that to bitter?

 

[Mediocrates]

What does the bitter end mean? Until he or you die? Or until Levy liquidates the club?

Would you back Ange if we got relegated or is that to bitter?

Relegation would upset Enic a lot. Every cloud. Coys.

 

[Gassin's finest]

What does the bitter end mean? Until he or you die? Or until Levy liquidates the club?

Would you back Ange if we got relegated or is that to bitter?

Ange would dominate the Championship tbf.

 

[Neon_Knight_]

Our recent bad results are primarily being blamed on a combination of:
Ange not being up to the job / being tactically inflexible (this seems to be the main one)
Players not being good enough
Levy not backing the manager in the last transfer window

Man City's recent bad results (which are worse than ours!) are primarily being blamed on injures.

We currently have the joint most injuries in the PL (9 - same as Man City). How exactly do they have more of an injury crisis than us, even though they have the same number of injuries and much greater strength in depth?

 

[Led's Zeppelin]

Our recent bad results are primarily being blamed on a combination of:
Ange not being up to the job / being tactically inflexible (this seems to be the main one)
Players not being good enough
Levy not backing the manager in the last transfer window

Man City's recent bad results (which are worse than ours!) are primarily being blamed on injures.

We currently have the joint most injuries in the PL (9 - same as Man City). How exactly do they have more of an injury crisis than us, even though they have the same number of injuries and much greater strength in depth?

I'm just waiting for some genius to say their injury crisis is worse than ours because their injured players are so much better than ours.

 

[ajspurs]

I've definitely become a bit more at odds with the way we approach certain games, and feel a little less encouraged by the 'when it works it works' mantra. That's probably been triggered by not recent results, but recent performances. I think up until the Palace game we'd performed quite respectfully or generally very well, irrespective of the outcome, but when you start mixing really poor performances in with the good ones, it all starts feeling very Spurs of old and quite mid-table.

I think in an ideal world, I'd still like to see a bit of flexibility within the same philosophy. At times I would like to see us be attacking without being gung-ho. The frustrating thing is that I think Ange does so much so well, that you can imagine certain alterations potentially being very beneficial.

That being said, there's so much that can be improved squad-wise that I think can mitigate some of the problems we currently see. A CDM, 2 decent wingers (can't believe I'm still saying this) and Romero replacement for example. As has been said or alluded to many times though, I really struggle to see us doing the necessary business, and that is a bigger worry than anything else.

 

[Blake Griffin]

We currently have the joint most injuries in the PL (9 - same as Man City). How exactly do they have more of an injury crisis than us, even though they have the same number of injuries and much greater strength in depth?

who are the 9?

other than van de ven, we had what most would consider our first 11 against ipswich.

 

[Styopa]

That being said, there's so much that can be improved squad-wise that I think can mitigate some of the problems we currently see. A CDM, 2 decent wingers (can't believe I'm still saying this) and Romero replacement for example. As has been said or alluded to many times though, I really struggle to see us doing the necessary business, and that is a bigger worry than anything else.

I believe that if we had shown more ambition this summer by making signings focused on immediate impact rather than just future potential, we’d likely be sitting around second place by now. We’re only 3 points behind Chelsea in third, with a superior goal difference.

If we had signed players like Neto, Eze, Gallagher, or their equivalents, I’m confident we would have taken more than just 1 point from matches against Leicester, Brighton, Palace, and Ipswich.

It's not that I think those players are world-class or that we don't have talented individuals, but I feel they could have made an immediate impact in a way that signings like Bergvall and Gray have struggled to do. Basically, I think we needed one or two more Solanke type signings. Players who were ready to make a difference right away.

It's true we shouldn’t be dropping so many points, but we took a specific direction in this window, and many of us were excited about it, eagerly talking about how we were looking forward to seeing these young players develop. Well, this is the reality of that. You sacrifice consistency by not sufficiently upgrading your first-team options and relying more on youth- which is why big clubs often wait until young players have properly established themselves at smallers clubs before signing them.

 

[easley91]

Our recent bad results are primarily being blamed on a combination of:
Ange not being up to the job / being tactically inflexible (this seems to be the main one)
Players not being good enough
Levy not backing the manager in the last transfer window

Man City's recent bad results (which are worse than ours!) are primarily being blamed on injures.

We currently have the joint most injuries in the PL (9 - same as Man City). How exactly do they have more of an injury crisis than us, even though they have the same number of injuries and much greater strength in depth?

City have a much smaller senior squad. You seen how many youth players they need to fill the bench at the moment? They had four on the bench v Brighton and one starting at CB.

Also who are these 9 players we have injured? Van De Ven, Richarlison, Odobert and Moore (illness so is it really considered an injury?). That makes 3, 4 including Moore.

 

[Tucker]

who are the 9?

other than van de ven, we had what most would consider our first 11 against ipswich.

That’s not really the full story though is it. Son, Werner, Romero, and Spence were all either carrying knocks or only just back from injury. Add that to Richarlison, Odobert, VDV, and Moore who were all unavailable both midewweek and for the Ipswich game.

The accumulated fatigue due to the number of injuries we’ve suffered this season forcing a lack of rotation for the likes of Johnson, Solanke, Porro and Udogie also plays a role.

 

[Neon_Knight_]

City have a much smaller senior squad. You seen how many youth players they need to fill the bench at the moment? They had four on the bench v Brighton and one starting at CB.

Also who are these 9 players we have injured? Van De Ven, Richarlison, Odobert and Moore (illness so is it really considered an injury?). That makes 3, 4 including Moore.

Physio Room lists 9. Feel free to look.

Edit: Here's further evidence that we've had more injuries

 

[Archibald&Crooks]

Our recent bad results are primarily being blamed on a combination of:
Ange not being up to the job / being tactically inflexible (this seems to be the main one)
Players not being good enough
Levy not backing the manager in the last transfer window

Man City's recent bad results (which are worse than ours!) are primarily being blamed on injures.

We currently have the joint most injuries in the PL (9 - same as Man City). How exactly do they have more of an injury crisis than us, even though they have the same number of injuries and much greater strength in depth?

If the media are blaming injuries for City's form (and actually that's fair enough) do we seriously think they are going to say City's players aren't good enough? That it's Pep? That Pep hasn't been backed? All things we're actually seeing said about us in here by the way.

At the end of the day, I wouldn't care too much about what the media say, you'll just drive yourself batty

 

[easley91]

That’s not really the full story though is it. Son, Werner, Romero, and Spence were all either carrying knocks or only just back from injury. Add that to Richarlison, Odobert, VDV, and Moore who were all unavailable both midewweek and for the Ipswich game.

The accumulated fatigue due to the number of injuries we’ve suffered this season forcing a lack of rotation for the likes of Johnson, Solanke, Porro and Udogie also plays a role.

You might want to make it clearer that you were talking across the season and not who is injured at this moment in time then as that is quite confusing. I was going by who was and wasn't involved v Ipswich which was our last game.

We do not currently have 9 players missing. We have had them missing at various points but several are now back and available.

Either way the point is we are in a better position to cope than City bar LB, because Pep decided to keep his squad relatively small despite his players moaning about lots of games.