Manager Watch: Ange Postecoglou

[DiVaio]

I do admire your ineffectiveness at seeing the bigger picture as opposed to a result or 2....

Of course that's not ideal method, but only here at SC there are 18 pages written that mentions "Levy" in any context since start of yesterdays game. 18 pages before that? It's basically a whole month since 14th Oct to 9th Nov. And guess what, most active days during that period happens to be 27th and 28th October, what a complete coincidence that it's two days after another loss against Crystal Palace!


Why people weren't moaning that we didn't sign Pedro Neto after City or Aston Villa game, but are moaning today? Why people weren't moaning about Levy after City or Aston Villa, but are moaning today? Why people weren't moaning about Levy in 21/22 season, but were moaning in 22/23?
Levy gave the same platform and squad for Ange to work this week as last week, last month etc. He works exactly the same way this year as last year, 5 years ago or 20 years ago.


It's LevyOut movement that sees bad result and is becoming active again - just to then moan about seeing bigger picture.

 

[Archibald&Crooks]

Jesus reacharounding Christ

 

[YB123]

Of course that's not ideal method, but only here at SC there are 18 pages written that mentions "Levy" in any context since start of yesterdays game. 18 pages before that? It's basically a whole month since 14th Oct to 9th Nov. And guess what, most active days during that period happens to be 27th and 28th October, what a complete coincidence that it's two days after another loss against Crystal Palace!


Why people weren't moaning that we didn't sign Pedro Neto after City or Aston Villa game, but are moaning today? Why people weren't moaning about Levy after City or Aston Villa, but are moaning today? Why people weren't moaning about Levy in 21/22 season, but were moaning in 22/23?
Levy gave the same platform and squad for Ange to work this week as last week, last month etc. He works exactly the same way this year as last year, 5 years ago or 20 years ago.


It's LevyOut movement that sees bad result and is becoming active again - just to then moan about seeing bigger picture.

You've answered your own question.

We've seen this kind of result time and time again.

With Poch, Jose, Nuno, Conte and now Ange.

The squad isnt strong enough and we suffer.

The clear mentality problems this squad has, just like all the other squads have had.

Thats starts from the top.

 

[McFlash]

Of course that's not ideal method, but only here at SC there are 18 pages written that mentions "Levy" in any context since start of yesterdays game. 18 pages before that? It's basically a whole month since 14th Oct to 9th Nov. And guess what, most active days during that period happens to be 27th and 28th October, what a complete coincidence that it's two days after another loss against Crystal Palace!


Why people weren't moaning that we didn't sign Pedro Neto after City or Aston Villa game, but are moaning today? Why people weren't moaning about Levy after City or Aston Villa, but are moaning today? Why people weren't moaning about Levy in 21/22 season, but were moaning in 22/23?
Levy gave the same platform and squad for Ange to work this week as last week, last month etc. He works exactly the same way this year as last year, 5 years ago or 20 years ago.


It's LevyOut movement that sees bad result and is becoming active again - just to then moan about seeing bigger picture.

Erm, that's usually the "Ange out crowd" that flock in during a loss.

The "LevyOut movement" are only now biting back against those becoming more and more vocal that we need another manager because they see the same pattern emerging.

Previously it's been arguing between changing manager and backing this one but Levy has long been the underlying problem.

How do you stand on all of this?
Sack Ange? Back Ange? Love Levy? Hate Levy?

Or, like plenty of people in here, are you capable of changing your opinion as the situations change?

 

[ajspurs]

I saw this on Reddit, stating how we've conceded the same goal 4 times in the last 3 weeks. Someone else said (may have been @Bluto Blutarsky) that when we're defending with men behind the ball, we're not actually too bad and quite organised, which I agree with, but when having to track back and reorganise, or adjust to movement, we can be absolutely all over the place. This doesn't even show all the times a player is unmarked at the back post and hasn't managed to capitalise. We'll look like a much better unit if we can structure ourselves formidably in such situations.

 

[sidford]

Lads do yourself a favor and put him on ignore. I did years ago and honestly it's the best solution

 

[newbie]

I said all along I was going to reserve judgement until at least after Christmas. I've changed my mind!

There is no point in sacking Ange now this season whilst we are still in cup competitions. On our day we are capable of beating anyone, and very much capable of winning one of the cups. Unless things dramatically change with our league form though I 100% wouldn't give him another season even if we do win a trophy. All this "hasn't got the players" stuff is bullshit. This group is more than capable of winning games comfortably against Ipswich, Palace, Coventry, Leicester etc, and it's not that we have lost/drawn these games(scraped a win v Cov) it's that we've just not turned up. Add to this the Brighton Second half and some of the luck we've had in Europe with poor finishing from the opposition and it's just not good enough. Just blaming Ange is not fair of course as it's not all his fault, but he's picking these players, and it's his job to get the best out of them which he is definitely not achieving anywhere near enough. In the same way it's not all Levy's fault either as again this group is more than good enough to beat those teams mentioned and comfortably.

What I will say though is that should new owners come in I want a clean sweep of the board and management team. They can all jog on because none of them are good enough to push us forward.

we are going to have dips, he needs time time the squad need time. Why do we keep loosing before international breaks?

our first year in Europe and we have a cup run, we are getting more experience we will get better and better. Time not to panic.


getting rid of everyone would be a mistake a lot of what we are doing is very good.

It's the sweeping teams aside thing that gives hope that if it clicks, we'll be buzzing. I know a lot of people won't agree but I'm balls deep on Ange and am interested in seeing where giving a bloke more time than we usually do and more chance to try and build, to effect the changes the club needs. Given how poor we can be i'm not surprised that more and more people are giving up on it though, but as I said, for me, he has at least another season. Ange in.

yes yes yes!

 

[LannerSpurs]

Jesus reacharounding Christ

You called, my son

 

[Misfit]

Until managers at this club are properly backed - to a degree at least comparable with the clubs his nibs expects us to compete with over a season which would then set a tone at the club that can't simply come from the latest contractor with the sword of Damocles hanging over their head - nothing will ultimately change.

With that said, we should still be beating the likes of Ipswich at home.

 

[jurgen]

Genuine question: why does it take more time for you to appreciate Poch?

I find it bizarre that Spurs fans didn't realize this in real time and turned on him so easily. The fans are like the team. Flaky as fuck. And always join in with Levys thinking to retrofit some bullshit excuse to why it's the manager that's failing.

That better team was built by Poch. His points tallies, cup semis and finals, quality of footy, all happened at Spurs despite Levy and the hapless directors we have that undermine every manager that comes through.

The one man most responsible for contemporary Spurs being any sort of actual ‘big club’, and the gold standard for our modern managers that nobody else has met so far, yet there are posters on here who froth at the mouth when he’s mentioned.

 

[mattstev2000]

Are we allowed to think that both Levy and Ange aren't doing a great job at the moment? Or do we have to pick a side and shake our fist at anyone who disagrees?

 

[isaac94]

Jorginho less so. But I'd have been delighted with Jesus over Richy, Zinchenko over Perisic and Trossard over Danjuma.

zinchenko is shit, even arsenal fans see this, Perisic over him overtime

 

[Col_M]

I avoid this thread after a disappointing defeat because I know emotions are high and I hate reading comments demanding for Ange to be sacked. I genuinely think he is the right man for this club, when we purr we play some superb football. I dread the day I get the breaking news that Levy has sacked him

 

[T-Bone]

Pressure coming on Levy now from the press, will then feed into the fans and then Ange is done....Graham Potter next up I reckon

 

[McFlash]

Pressure coming on Levy now from the press, will then feed into the fans and then Ange is done....Graham Potter next up I reckon

We need to direct that pressure onto Levy and not let him divert it towards the manager.
He needs to know that we hold him responsible for what's going on.
A new manager won't make any difference while Levy is still playing the game the way he does.

 

[olliec]

Yet we have changed almost 12 of the playing staff and spent a lot of money. We said the likes of Dier, Sanchez, Royal, Skipp, Sessegnon, Tanganga, Hoijberg were all bang average. We’ve done a tonne of work turning over playing staff but are still in a bang average situation! Perhaps now with less leadership

To be fair Sanchez didn’t look bang average the other day when we played Galatasaray.

 

[E17yid]

We need to direct that pressure onto Levy and not let him divert it towards the manager.
He needs to know that we hold him responsible for what's going on.
A new manager won't make any difference while Levy is still playing the game the way he does.

Don’t you think it’s all a bit pointless though? Not having a dig, just honestly don’t see the point. We’re stuck with him until he decides he’s had enough and no amount of banners and what not are going to change that.

If you desperately want Ange to stay best thing you can do is be very vocal in your support of him but I don’t think that matters too much either to be honest.

 

[YB123]

zinchenko is shit, even arsenal fans see this, Perisic over him overtime

Zinchenko was excellent for them in his first season but then they upgraded.

 

[McFlash]

Don’t you think it’s all a bit pointless though? Not having a dig, just honestly don’t see the point. We’re stuck with him until he decides he’s had enough and no amount of banners and what not are going to change that.

If you desperately want Ange to stay best thing you can do is be very vocal in your support of him but I don’t think that matters too much either to be honest.

You're not wrong but we've seen before that Levy doesn't like it when the focus is on him, so while we can't force him out, maybe we can make him see that we support the manager more than we do him.
Maybe that way he'll actually back someone to a decent degree.

We'll always be clutching at straws while Levy is in charge but I'm sick of him buying another 18 months of us fans waiting to see how another manager does, only to see them fail because of the same reasons.

I'd said previously that not backing Conte was the last straw for me, only to get sucked back in again.
I'm only backing Ange so hard because he's the current manager (and I do like the bloke) but Levy has really got to be shown that the jig is up and the fanbase are wise to his ways.

 

[TheHoddleWaddle]

The fan base cycle of a spurs fan is a thing to behold.

When it comes to Ange, i cannot see any logic in wanting him him gone.

For once, I've seen glimmers of an actual coach to player strategy from the board. Younger, technical talent that paves a way for a longer term playing base. It's not perfect, and there are still questions marks over the due diligence on player psyche. (When the chips are down etc) But largely good signings that will, given time and a bit of luck, fit the coaches style.

He has got to remain in situ for this and next season. For any chance of consistency to shine through. For once, this has got to be a medium to long term appointment to make any sense.

Of course, palace and Ipswich performances are bound to raise questions. But you'd hope it would be enough to galvanise the team.

There's glimmers of a very good side here.

Otherwise it is yet another rinse and repeat. Also, who takes the job? Careful what you wish for.