Manager Watch: Ange Postecoglou

[spursfan77]

They were proven prem winners with a point to prove. And they were very good when they came in. They are well highlighted for changing the mentality of that dressing room. Arsenal then kicked on and improved on both of them aswell and are now at least competing.

Both probably came in on over £150k a week, that’s why we’d never be in for them.

 

[DiVaio]

No surprised it was written by Matt Law hahaha.
Imagine how much it would better when LevyOut movement was active with some genuine analysis not just result based after every loss.
Levy also didn't care about winning last week when we were beating Man City or Aston Villa but for some completely unknown reason this article wasn't made then 🫠

Maybe after game against big6, but after Ipswich??? Our squad is much better than Ipswich and just Solanke + Son costs more than whole Ipswich starting squad from yesterday. Bad game happens, that's it.
This also wouldn't be written if we had slightly more luck yesterday enough to make a comeback, or if our 25m backup defender that chose us over Bayern and was most expensive signing during winter transfer window could just pass the ball, defend better or not keep Ipswich players onside.

 

[Fidget]

I know the Levy conversation is an important one but if we beat Ipswich his name isn’t being brought up and the current squad that Levy had helped put together should beat Ipswich, Palace and Leicester. I don’t think he’s to blame for our current issues.

All the others but not the current ones?

 

[YB123]

Both probably came in on over £150k a week, that’s why we’d never be in for them.

Exactly and that's the issue. There is no excuses anymore.

We can see the massive wage cutting going on.

 

[YB123]

No surprised it was written by Matt Law hahaha.
Imagine how much it would better when LevyOut movement was active with some genuine analysis not just result based after every loss.
Levy also didn't care about winning last week when we were beating Man City or Aston Villa but for some completely unknown reason this article wasn't made then 🫠

Maybe after game against big6, but after Ipswich??? Our squad is much better than Ipswich and just Solanke + Son costs more than whole Ipswich starting squad from yesterday. Bad game happens, that's it.
This also wouldn't be written if we had slightly more luck yesterday enough to make a comeback, or if our 25m backup defender that chose us over Bayern and was most expensive signing during winter transfer window could just pass the ball, defend better or not keep Ipswich players onside.

I do admire your ineffectiveness at seeing the bigger picture as opposed to a result or 2....

 

[dannythomas]

Sorry but 10 defeats in our last 18 league matches has to earn him the sack. This is a worse record than any of our last 4 sacked managers.

 

[13VanDerBale13]

I do admire your ineffectiveness at seeing the bigger picture as opposed to a result or 2....

Truly baffling ain’t it.
It’s hardly surprising the fan base is always split, when some still fail to acknowledge this.
All this does is just contribute to a lack of countability at this club & therefore our continued demise.

 

[Albertbarich]

I do admire your ineffectiveness at seeing the bigger picture as opposed to a result or 2....

He has a point though.

The over reaction to yesterday will be just as great as the over reaction to the next time we win. When we do you won’t be able to criticise a player without being jumped on and were suddenly title winners again.

If the current trend continues all the reaction will achieve is the sacking of another manager.

the fanase both pro and anti levy have to look at it critically.
Do we think the end goal is trophies?
How long do we give him to achieve this?
Does he really really care about winning like he does property deals?
Will sacking yet another manager really achieve anything?

I know where I stand on it. Levy hasn’t changed and whilst Ange could maybe be doing better, maybe. He is just another man that has been short changed and left to deal with it.
We need this energy when we win and lose . Not just when we’re fed up.

 

[G Ron]

Let’s hope this ramps up again. Teflon Dan somehow manages to avoid any vitriol in the stadium and he really needs to start feeling the heat as our on the field record under his stewardship is pathetic. Either put up (pay the wages needed to get us proven quality players who will improve us in key positions) or sell up.

 

[southlondonyiddo]

In other news, Bears shit in the Woods

 

[G Ron]

So basically we have to wait until Levy/ENIC sell up before we can harbour any real hopes of meaningful sustained progression....

Yes stick with Ange, but waiting for that to happen is seriously depressing.

I mean we all know its the bigger overriding issue, and there's fuck all we can do about it in reality.

Being a Tottenham fan - stuck in this warped dimension.

Ah well, even if we manage to beat City Im not getting excited anymore, or daring to dream.

Thats what this ownership has done and its sad for the real fans.

Let’s be positive, Newcastle fans felt even worse than us a couple of years ago and never thought Ashley would sell up. Now look at how the new ownership (or the departure of the former owner) has totally galvanised the fan base. If that happened here the hope would flood back into the fans and the entire atmosphere around the club would change.

it’s been intimated by many for a long time now that our board is rotten and so now is the time to change. As trix said, we to clear the decks and start again.

 

[panoma]

Ange staying or going, who comes in, who was here before..

I'm at the stage where it doesn't really matter. A few years ago losses like against Ipswich and Palace would really hurt, but now I'm mostly just numb to it and accept what we are.

It's still fun to follow us, but I've given up on us as a challenger some time ago and also stopped giving the club any of my money. No longer do this club ruin my weekends, thankfully.

Ange might as well carry on, as absolutely nothing will change if we get in a new manager.

Unless new owners come in nothing will change.

 

[Fidget]

Yep, personal problems aside if we’d properly backed Conte and he’d signed a longer term deal, pretty sure he’d have done very well with us but it is what it is, he didn’t want to be our manager and we didn’t want to properly back him in the way he wanted and needed so it was a waste of time and money.

Ange needs properly backing in Jan and next summer.

The project is at a bit of a tipping point right now.

The same tipping point every year. It will be no different until it is sorted but Levy does the job he’s paid to do well, otherwise he’s gone by now. Long gone.
Changing manager’s without backing them is not clever unless you back the next one.

 

[McFlash]

Sorry but 10 defeats in our last 18 league matches has to earn him the sack. This is a worse record than any of our last 4 sacked managers.

Ok, brilliant.
And then what?

You've been around long enough to recognise the cycle that we keep going through, surely?
Why do you think his record isn't that great? Go on, really think hard.

Could it be because he's not actually been given the tools he needs to do his job...?

He got one first team signing this summer, ONE.
But you're somehow expecting him to improve with that and a bunch of kids?!

Even the much maligned Hojbjerg would have made this difference to what we currently have.
Did we replace him?

 

[G Ron]

Truly baffling ain’t it.
It’s hardly surprising the fan base is always split, when some still fail to acknowledge this.
All this does is just contribute to a lack of countability at this club & therefore our continued demise.

There’s a good reason I couldn’t see the post in question

 

[Archibald&Crooks]

Any chance you could pop the text of that article in here? Pretty please?

I can't access that

 

[Oh Teddy Teddy]

Sorry but 10 defeats in our last 18 league matches has to earn him the sack. This is a worse record than any of our last 4 sacked managers.

Alternatively, we’ve won 9 of our last 12 games. This is not me saying it's good enough, but shows how selective these points can be.

 

[Typical Spurs]

Ok, brilliant.
And then what?

You've been around long enough to recognise the cycle that we keep going through, surely?
Why do you think his record isn't that great? Go on, really think hard.

Could it be because he's not actually been given the tools he needs to do his job...?

He got one first team signing this summer, ONE.
But you're somehow expecting him to improve with that and a bunch of kids?!

Even the much maligned Hojbjerg would have made this difference to what we currently have.
Did we replace him?

Us being completely unable to keep a clean sheet with Vicario, Romero, van de ven and Udogie as our defenders in on Ange.

Us being so easy to attack and is on Ange's naïve tactics. No doubt.

Issue here is it can be both that Ange isn't doing well enough and Levy is also not doing/done enough. Like everything else these days everyone picks a side and demands that side is right and that's it.

In reality, Ange is definitely not doing a good enough job with the tools he does have, and Levy hasn't and isn't doing a good enough job either to get the very best players we need.

 

[McFlash]

Us being completely unable to keep a clean sheet with Vicario, Romero, van de ven and Udogie as our defenders in on Ange.

Us being so easy to attack and is on Ange's naïve tactics. No doubt.

Issue here is it can be both that Ange isn't doing well enough and Levy is also not doing/done enough. Like everything else these days everyone picks a side and demands that side is right and that's it.

In reality, Ange is definitely not doing a good enough job with the tools he does have, and Levy hasn't and isn't doing a good enough job either to get the very best players we need.

Fair enough, we're all allowed to have our own opinions on Ange but that's still not addressing the actual issue here.

There is no quick fix while Levy is in charge because the next manager will go the same way as his predecessors.

There only one person that a new manager helps and that's Levy.
Another short-term fix to keep the forgetful fans happy for a while longer.

What manager would you be prepared to stick with through the rough times?
Is there one? Or will you be back here 18 months later shouting at the same clouds?

 

[sidford]

Any chance you could pop the text of that article in here? Pretty please?

I can't access that

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