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Manager Watch: Ange Postecoglou

Ange In or Ange Out?

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YB123

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Aug 27, 2006
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The crazy thing is I do feel fans of our rivals are absolutely hoping we keep Levy in charge. I don't think they care less who our manager is.

My gooner pal summed it up.

When Conte beat ARteta to 4th, that should've been the big change. Give Conte what he wants. But we gave him Spence, Lenglet etc.

Arteta got given 2 prem league winners in Jesus & Zinchenko. And in January he got another proven winner in Jorginho & then Trossard...
 

Joshua shepherd

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They’ve been focusing on signing young players to build a core group around, Ratcliffe changed the way they do business. It doesn’t mean they couldn’t if they wanted to.
They continued to sign players that ETH had worked with previously for big money. Only one of their signings was truly young and desirable, two were big money mid 20’s, one was a cheap full back, and two were overpriced 23 year olds.

There aren’t any world class players that would choose to go to united right now and Ratcliffe hasn’t changed much about the way they go about their business despite what Gary Neville would want you to think.
 

Styopa

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I don’t think anyone who has followed Spurs for the last twenty years could really think Ange is the problem here.

How many managers have we hired and sacked since ENIC bought the club? Honestly, what are the chances the next one will be “the one”?

It’s just desperation to believe if we keep cycling through coaches we’ll eventually find the “right one”. There is no “right one” who is going to make everything perfect. The club needs to create the conditions that make competing at the highest level possible but they don’t prioritise that. They have other priorities, we all know that.
 

muppetman

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My gooner pal summed it up.

When Conte beat ARteta to 4th, that should've been the big change. Give Conte what he wants. But we gave him Spence, Lenglet etc.

Arteta got given 2 prem league winners in Jesus & Zinchenko. And in January he got another proven winner in Jorginho & then Trossard...
Ironically, I'm not sure many would have been impressed if we'd signed Jesus, Zinchenko and Jorginho? Trossard would have been "backup" as well I'd imagine. As for them being Premier League winners, I don't think that's quite as impressive as it sounds - doesn't Scott Carson have a medal or two also?

I think the overarching point that Levy fails to push on is a fair one, just not sure they are the best examples.
 

mil1lion

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My gooner pal summed it up.

When Conte beat ARteta to 4th, that should've been the big change. Give Conte what he wants. But we gave him Spence, Lenglet etc.

Arteta got given 2 prem league winners in Jesus & Zinchenko. And in January he got another proven winner in Jorginho & then Trossard...
That's because for Levy 4th is job done. If Ange gets 4th he isn't getting a big push for more quality. It never happened with Poch when we were on the verge of titles so I can't see it happening now. All that basically happens is we get to 4th which is an over achievement with the players we have, then Levy will think that's the level we are and there's no need for big signings. I honestly think his best chance for success under Levy is to keep us competing for Europe for a bit and hope we get a golden generation break out together. I worry our fans don't have the patience for it though. If they start to turn I hope it's towards Levy again.
 

YB123

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Ironically, I'm not sure many would have been impressed if we'd signed Jesus, Zinchenko and Jorginho? Trossard would have been "backup" as well I'd imagine. As for them being Premier League winners, I don't think that's quite as impressive as it sounds - doesn't Scott Carson have a medal or two also?

I think the overarching point that Levy fails to push on is a fair one, just not sure they are the best examples.

Jorginho less so. But I'd have been delighted with Jesus over Richy, Zinchenko over Perisic and Trossard over Danjuma.
 

Nerine

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Jan 27, 2011
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The latest View From The Lane pod touches on the board/Levy thing and they raise some very good points.

It’s well worth a listen. They believe the recruitment is one of the major issues amongst other things.

I always feel more relaxed having listened to that pod. I’d recommend it to all the people (I’m not one of them) digging Ange out, it may quell the teeth gnashing.
 

longtimespur

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Sep 10, 2014
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My twopenneth is some players think they are better than they really are and arrogantly dismiss "Lower" teams as easy meat and don't mentally turn up in the right frame of mind. The one that makes you want to play at your best, they just think they only have to turn up to win.
YES Ange is at fault for letting it happen but the players are the main problem, over confident or can't be bothered are very close together for their mindset.
 

YB123

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Aug 27, 2006
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The latest View From The Lane pod touches on the board/Levy thing and they raise some very good points.

It’s well worth a listen. They believe the recruitment is one of the major issues amongst other things.

I always feel more relaxed having listened to that pod. I’d recommend it to all the people (I’m not one of them) digging Ange out, it may quell the teeth gnashing.

I much preferred it with Eccleshare, he was very good.

Danny Kelly just does a lot of shouting with little substance I feel. Appreciate his passion but its always the managers fault with him and nobody else.

If you want to listen to a completely neutral take on Spurs. The Football Ramble discuss it today. Very good.
 

DJS

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Dec 9, 2006
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Whilst a lot of our recent form is on owners, Ange still needs to take responsibility for his tactics messing up the hamstrings of our defenders who he over taxes.

And the constant playing out from the back, even if someone like Dragusin is on his wrong side and clearly struggling.

Should be able to adapt.

Poch did, he tweaked our system to get best out of players available.
 

Nerine

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Jan 27, 2011
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I much preferred it with Eccleshare, he was very good.

Danny Kelly just does a lot of shouting with little substance I feel. Appreciate his passion but its always the managers fault with him and nobody else.

If you want to listen to a completely neutral take on Spurs. The Football Ramble discuss it today. Very good.

I’m a relative newcomer to VFTL, and I’ve found Kelly to be pretty balanced to be fair. Perhaps he’s dialled it back a bit.

I listen to Eccleshare on Football Cliches (which is fucking brilliant). I’d like to hear him on a Spurs centric pod tbf.
 

muppetman

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Jorginho less so. But I'd have been delighted with Jesus over Richy, Zinchenko over Perisic and Trossard over Danjuma.
I'd agree on Trossard over Danjuma, but at the time I'd say the decisions made sense. Who knew that an always available Richarlison would turn out to be made of biscuits and that Perisic wouldn't even last long enough to be the short term fix he was meant to be.

OK to disagree, but I'm still not sure we wouldn't be in the same situation as I've seen very little to get excited about from Zinchenko and Jesus.
 

E17yid

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Jan 21, 2013
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Levyology.

"We cant back Redknapp because he's not committed and wants the England job" - "Ok fair enough"

"We cant back Poch because we have to pay for the stadium" - "ahhh that's annoying but OK lets back him properly once its built"

"We cant back Mourinho because of the pandemic" - "hmmm well, erm, alright. I guess"

"We cant back Conte because he isn't on a long contract and is unpredictable" - "...really?!.......well...."

"We cant back Ange because we dont have top 4 football and we need to have a rebuild/project instead" - "oh ffs"

Wake up....
To be fair they’re all fair enough bar the last one but I don’t agree with the framing of that. Part of the reason Ange was probably picked was because he’d be more compliant than say a Mourinho or Conte.
 

SpursSince1980

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I’m not sure I’ve seen our fanbase in this strange space before. Yes, you have the bog standard “sack the managers”, or “Enic out”, or we “need better players”… or all of the aforementioned. But there is this overriding feeling of inevitability about the club being in a perpetual state of purgatory.

Or maybe it’s my imagination.

Just feels really different this time. Seems like a mutual existential crisis.
 

YB123

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I'd agree on Trossard over Danjuma, but at the time I'd say the decisions made sense. Who knew that an always available Richarlison would turn out to be made of biscuits and that Perisic wouldn't even last long enough to be the short term fix he was meant to be.

OK to disagree, but I'm still not sure we wouldn't be in the same situation as I've seen very little to get excited about from Zinchenko and Jesus.

They were proven prem winners with a point to prove. And they were very good when they came in. They are well highlighted for changing the mentality of that dressing room. Arsenal then kicked on and improved on both of them aswell and are now at least competing.
 

fishhhandaricecake

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My gooner pal summed it up.

When Conte beat ARteta to 4th, that should've been the big change. Give Conte what he wants. But we gave him Spence, Lenglet etc.

Arteta got given 2 prem league winners in Jesus & Zinchenko. And in January he got another proven winner in Jorginho & then Trossard...
Yep, personal problems aside if we’d properly backed Conte and he’d signed a longer term deal, pretty sure he’d have done very well with us but it is what it is, he didn’t want to be our manager and we didn’t want to properly back him in the way he wanted and needed so it was a waste of time and money.

Ange needs properly backing in Jan and next summer.

The project is at a bit of a tipping point right now.
 

fishhhandaricecake

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Agreed, the problem is the second levy comes under heat, he just instantly hits the eject button on the manager to deflect and save his own skin, it’s then rinse and repeat.
Might be different this time around if we sing Ange’s name followed by we want Levy out.

Problem is so many tourists and temporary fans in our stadium now so many wouldn’t sing that as they’d have no clue about what is going on.

Levy has cultivated the perfect business model and is upping the prices so high that it prices out a lot of the long term proper fans.

I hope Ange can make us more consistent but if not I hope the fans turn on Levy not Ange/the manager for once.
 

muppetman

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They were proven prem winners with a point to prove. And they were very good when they came in. They are well highlighted for changing the mentality of that dressing room. Arsenal then kicked on and improved on both of them aswell and are now at least competing.
I'm really not convinced about this at all, that Jesus and Zinchenko changed the mentality?

Anyway, all about onions and o real way to prove it either way.

I personally think we need better than those two if we really want to compete at the very top end. (Whether that will happen has been done to death already).
 
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