Manager Watch: Ange Postecoglou

[bubble07]

With the usual "it's hard to buy in Jan but next summer, don't you worry. Oh boy will there be blockbuster signings galore in the summer. Get ready to have your socks blown off by the sheer awesomeness. Just got to get everything lined up." hints/suggestions via the press.

Not sure anyone on here can genuinely think that anymore

 

[Mr Pink]

I know the Levy conversation is an important one but if we beat Ipswich his name isn’t being brought up and the current squad that Levy had helped put together should beat Ipswich, Palace and Leicester. I don’t think he’s to blame for our current issues.

Yeah but we didnt, and its clear the complacent culture at the Club isnt changing regardless of any individual manager.

It comes from the top and cascades down, and always has done.

 

[Kirito]

Yeah but we didnt, and its clear the complacent culture at the Club isnt changing regardless of any individual manager.

It comes from the top and cascades down, and always has done.

Yeah I want him gone, but I’m just not sure the current set up is right either. I don’t have the solutions. I don’t think any of us do.

Fold the club!

 

[Archibald&Crooks]

I know the Levy conversation is an important one but if we beat Ipswich his name isn’t being brought up and the current squad that Levy had helped put together should beat Ipswich, Palace and Leicester. I don’t think he’s to blame for our current issues.

You can take results in isolation and criticise Ange for them but at the end of the day, it's the bigger picture that people are talking about here and in that sense Levy is absolutely culpable.

 

[only1waddle]

I'm sick of thinking that now, it's always the next window and it's never happened.
My patience has gone, as has any hope that Levy is ever going to push us any further than the bare minimum.

I was actually quite happy with the business we did over the summer but even I thought we left ourselves one or two senior players short to properly compete.

By the time the youngsters are good enough to depend on, the seniors will be past it and we start the cycle again.

So for me, it's thank for what you've done Daniel but it's past time to go now.

The new club structure as stated by ITK was an Ajax/Dortmund model, but like everything we seem to do at this club it's one extreme to the other and we've gone youth mad, Min-Hyeok also screams of commercial succession planning over ambition, as you say, by the time some of these lads make it we'll be starting the cycle again, and not all of them will make it.

Levy is nothing more than a gaslighting investor who's only passion is property development, the sooner our wider fanbase realise this the better.

*That's no excuse for some of our poor application, defending or organisation mind.

 

[KirstyG]

Yeah I want him gone, but I’m just not sure the current set up is right either. I don’t have the solutions. I don’t think any of us do.

Fold the club!

Time for some rugby instead lol

 

[Meercat]

Levy was so lucky he struck gold with Poch.

I dread to think where we would be now if we hired someone like Frank de Boer back in 2014.

Which is why I should never ever be allowed to hire our manager…

 

[Misfit]

Not sure anyone on here can genuinely think that anymore

It got old for me when H was given Ryan f'ing Nelsen as his squad reinforcement.

 

[Mr Pink]

Yeah I want him gone, but I’m just not sure the current set up is right either. I don’t have the solutions. I don’t think any of us do.

Fold the club!

Thats fair mate.

I want Ange to stay and figure how to improve the areas that need improved - but Im not sure that'll happen.

I want this ownership gone but who knows how long that will take.

Its all just depressing, sadly.

 

[YB123]

Levyology.

"We cant back Redknapp because he's not committed and wants the England job" - "Ok fair enough"

"We cant back Poch because we have to pay for the stadium" - "ahhh that's annoying but OK lets back him properly once its built"

"We cant back Mourinho because of the pandemic" - "hmmm well, erm, alright. I guess"

"We cant back Conte because he isn't on a long contract and is unpredictable" - "...really?!.......well...."

"We cant back Ange because we dont have top 4 football and we need to have a rebuild/project instead" - "oh ffs"

Wake up....

 

[YB123]

It got old for me when H was given Ryan f'ing Nelsen as his squad reinforcement.

Wanted Cahill & Tevez/Bellamy. Got Nelsen and Saha!

 

[roy@SC]

Until the Board changes we will go around in circles. We, unfortunately seem a long way off a genuine message of ENIC out from the terraces though. My priority for thos season alone now would be the europa league - it's very winnable. Do I genuinely believe Ange's tactics will bring that trophy? No. We simply are a complete shambles defensively.

 

[yido_number1]

Until the Board changes we will go around in circles. We, unfortunately seem a long way off a genuine message of ENIC out from the terraces though. My priority for thos season alone now would be the europa league - it's very winnable. Do I genuinely believe Ange's tactics will bring that trophy? No. We simply are a complete shambles defensively.

Neither of the Ipswich goals were defensive shambles. Both were individuals not winning simple battles.

If Johnson stuck his head in or porro bothered to get tight we'd have been fine. We lack top level concentration and that's because we aren't buying top level players we're buying potential across the pitch. Crying out for a leader at the back and Romero isn't that.

Crying out for a proven winger and signed a kid from Burnley. Needed a defensive midfielder and signed two kids from a lower league.

If you are buying players for the future expect results in the future not now. Ange proved he can get us ticking but with young players you get inconsistent performances and that's what we see.

 

[Joshua shepherd]

VDV has the potential, and so do a few of the younger players, but that’s all it is. Potential.

Romero is half way to Madrid already and his performances this season show that. Their summer interest has turned his head, and I’d be shocked if he signs an extension.

I’ll give you the United Argument as they don’t have any true world class players besides one season wonder Bruno who MIGHT be in the conversation, but they have a ton of potential too. Difference is if they wanted a world class player they would go out and spend the money necessary provided the player wanted to join the club. We wouldn’t pay the wages or the fee required. Chelsea have Palmer, and you could argue their squad as a whole has better potential than ours. Both these teams have won trophies in the last 5 seasons, we haven’t. That’s the difference.

Competing for top 6 isn’t what we should be doing anyway, we should be competing for titles and cups consistently given the size of our club financially.

Yeah they’ve been focusing on signing players who aren’t world class for the past few years because they didn’t want to sign world class players.

 

[okc1992]

Neither of the Ipswich goals were defensive shambles. Both were individuals not winning simple battles.

If Johnson stuck his head in or porro bothered to get tight we'd have been fine. We lack top level concentration and that's because we aren't buying top level players we're buying potential across the pitch. Crying out for a leader at the back and Romero isn't that.

Crying out for a proven winger and signed a kid from Burnley. Needed a defensive midfielder and signed two kids from a lower league.

If you are buying players for the future expect results in the future not now. Ange proved he can get us ticking but with young players you get inconsistent performances and that's what we see.

The 2nd goal was so avoidable. Even though Bentancur got beaten in midfield, we had numbers back and all Romero had to do was drop off and let the midfield recover

 

[Joshua shepherd]

I see a few folks calling for him to be sacked or give him the season and most likely sack him after that. I think my question is who would be the next man up, if that happened? Thomas Frank? Meh. Marco Silva? Meh x2. We missed the boat on Slot, Amorim, etc. Iraola could be intriguing.

I think that’s my fear; that the grass is not greener (we’ve learned this numerous times over the past few seasons) and I’m kind of struggling to see an obvious upgrade on Ange. It’s a genuine question in regards to who comes next, because I really have no clue.

But sometimes the grass is greener. Poch was greener than Sherwood/AVB, Conte was greener than Nuno, Redknapp was greener than Ramos. It all plays out the same way eventually, but it does for almost every manager at almost every club.

For me, a better manager would have us performing better than we currently are. I think that either the players aren’t performing as he wants them to perform which is ultimately down to him, or the tactics don’t work on a one size fits all basis, and since he’s admitted he’s never going to make radical changes to his tactics, this will continue.

Either way he’s had long enough to show progress but we’re no better now than we were when he first came in, that’s a problem.

 

[mil1lion]

Matt Law the Chelsea fan sees it. Even Gooners and West Spam fans see it. Just unfortunate that a fair chunk of our fanbase still dont see it.

The crazy thing is I do feel fans of our rivals are absolutely hoping we keep Levy in charge. I don't think they care less who our manager is.

 

[sparx100]

But sometimes the grass is greener. Poch was greener than Sherwood/AVB, Conte was greener than Nuno, Redknapp was greener than Ramos. It all plays out the same way eventually, but it does for almost every manager at almost every club.

For me, a better manager would have us performing better than we currently are. I think that either the players aren’t performing as he wants them to perform which is ultimately down to him, or the tactics don’t work on a one size fits all basis, and since he’s admitted he’s never going to make radical changes to his tactics, this will continue.

Either way he’s had long enough to show progress but we’re no better now than we were when he first came in, that’s a problem.

Agree. The lack of consistency is the frustration and has to be on the players.

The inability to reshuffle, adapt and tweak to tailor to the opposition is on the manager.

The lack of real first 11 transfers in and investing in potential rather than first team ready is on Levy and Lange.

 

[-Afri-Coy-]

Yeah they’ve been focusing on signing players who aren’t world class for the past few years because they didn’t want to sign world class players.

They’ve been focusing on signing young players to build a core group around, Ratcliffe changed the way they do business. It doesn’t mean they couldn’t if they wanted to.

 

[RuskyM]

The absolute last thing we would need is another 180 appointment, which if we were to sack Ange now is what we’d get. It’d be negligence and a complete waste of talent to bring in a load of young players and then completely rip up the pathway we’ve set for them (as observed by how few players developed between 2019-2023). Have a list of coaches in mind if we feel the need to change, go to them if needed at the end of the season. Any sensible club does this.