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Manager Watch: Ange Postecoglou

Ange In or Ange Out?

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Neon_Knight_

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Jul 20, 2011
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I get why people are unhappy about being in 10th place, but the table is still very tight (only 4 points separating 3rd & 13th) and teams can easily shift 5+ places within a week, so we should be more concerned about how our points tally compares to that of our top 4 rivals than our actual league position for now.

For context, a win yesterday would have put us 3rd, behind only Liverpool & Man City.
 

Tucker

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Jul 15, 2013
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Sorry mate can you just point out where I've said we've been shit for 12 months? What I have said is we've been making the same stupid mistakes since day one and I've also said over and over it's a real mixed bag, when it's great it's great, when it isn't it's awful, very few games where it's been somewhere in between.

None of what you say above explains why one game we are brilliant the next dog shit. It's not due to injuries, or squad depth, and it's nothing to do with Europe. This is the problem in general nowadays, we always have to look for an excuse. Now it's a myriad of excuses because one just won't suffice.

As for seeing a project through? Absolutely, but only if the manager is the right man for that project and that manager has to be a man that can work with what he's given. It shouldn't be that way but unfortunately under Enic, that will always be how it is.
If you can’t see how injuries and tiredness can affect individual performances then you’re just burying your head in the sand. Of course they have an effect, they aren’t excuses they are context.

You’ve clearly never been sold on Ange, that fine, but ignoring all the reasons we’ve played poorly comes across like you just have an axe to grind.
 

Tucker

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It's the sweeping teams aside thing that gives hope that if it clicks, we'll be buzzing. I know a lot of people won't agree but I'm balls deep on Ange and am interested in seeing where giving a bloke more time than we usually do and more chance to try and build, to effect the changes the club needs. Given how poor we can be i'm not surprised that more and more people are giving up on it though, but as I said, for me, he has at least another season. Ange in.
This nails it for me. We can’t keep rolling the dice on new managers and hoping we come up trumps. It’s never going to change unless we build from the foundations up. That’s going to take time and patience.
 

okc1992

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If you can’t see how injuries and tiredness can affect individual performances then you’re just burying your head in the sand. Of course they have an effect, they aren’t excuses they are context.

You’ve clearly never been sold on Ange, that fine, but ignoring all the reasons we’ve played poorly comes across like you just have an axe to grind.
They 100% do and it's why out worst performances have come after EL games. Brighton 2nd half, Palace and yesterday.
 

Impspur1

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I get why people are unhappy about being in 10th place, but the table is still very tight (only 4 points separating 3rd & 13th) and teams can easily shift 5+ places within a week, so we should be more concerned about how our points tally compares to that of our top 4 rivals than our actual league position for now.

For context, a win yesterday would have put us 3rd, behind only Liverpool & Man City.
But we didn’t win, every time we get into these positions we resort to type.
 

jurgen11

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Sep 9, 2004
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I know, just being facetious. Vicario needs to improve and it would be nice for him to have a more calming presence but he's a decent keeper. Why we kept crossing the ball high and floating time after time I don't know, when the low whipped in cross was more obvious. Werner was the only one who seemed to see it.
12 corners, 1 goal , 11 keeper catches...at least thats what it felt like
 

spursfan77

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Aug 13, 2005
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This nails it for me. We can’t keep rolling the dice on new managers and hoping we come up trumps. It’s never going to change unless we build from the foundations up. That’s going to take time and patience.

Nope it is never going to change until the man who appoints the managers either steps aside or sells up. It honestly wont matter who the manager is because I guarantee that if we were to sack Ange today then we would be back here in a year or 18 months doing it again. History repeats itself time and again. I'm fucking board of it and am basically just waiting it out now until they go. Ange is just the next guy who will be spat out by this club.
 

Tucker

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Jul 15, 2013
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They 100% do and it's why out worst performances have come after EL games. Brighton 2nd half, Palace and yesterday.
Yup, it’s really one eyed to ignore this too. It’s been an issue every single time we’ve been in the Europa/Conference League.
 

Trix

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Jul 29, 2004
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If you can’t see how injuries and tiredness can affect individual performances then you’re just burying your head in the sand. Of course they have an effect, they aren’t excuses they are context.

You’ve clearly never been sold on Ange, that fine, but ignoring all the reasons we’ve played poorly comes across like you just have an axe to grind.
Of course I understand. What I'm saying is that this inconsistency is there regardless of injuries and tiredness. It's not like this is a new thing. The defensive errors where players aren't picked up is not a new thing. The keeper flapping at set pieces and crosses is not a new thing, and I could go on. These are happening in games whether we have a full strength side out or the reserves for cup matches. It's either great or it's utter rubbish, regardless of who he has available and that needs to change and quick.
 

Tucker

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Jul 15, 2013
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Nope it is never going to change until the man who appoints the managers either steps aside or sells up. It honestly wont matter who the manager is because I guarantee that if we were to sack Ange today then we would be back here in a year or 18 months doing it again. History repeats itself time and again. I'm fucking board of it and am basically just waiting it out now until they go. Ange is just the next guy who will be spat out by this club.
You’re probably right, but he’s not going anywhere for the foreseeable future imo.
 

Tucker

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Jul 15, 2013
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Of course I understand. What I'm saying is that this inconsistency is there regardless of injuries and tiredness. It's not like this is a new thing. The defensive errors where players aren't picked up is not a new thing. The keeper flapping at set pieces and crosses is not a new thing, and I could go on. These are happening in games whether we have a full strength side out or the reserves for cup matches. It's either great or it's utter rubbish, regardless of who he has available and that needs to change and quick.
That’s fair, but I think there’s reasons for a lot of this two. Consistency is always going to be an issue when you’re building a young side and all the foundations aren’t in place. That’s where the lack of experience in the squad, and the amount of youngsters has a bearing on things imo.

I don’t rate Vicario either, and think he’s been another poor transfer that was done for its financial reasons rather than footballing reasons. Again, goalie was a position most people thought we needed to address in the summer (at least as far as back up was concerned.) We didn’t do it.

I know you think we are dying out for a really good number 6, and that might help us when we are turned over and vulnerable in attack. It’s another area where all we did in the summer was bring in potential.

I don’t think these issues are insurmountable within the system we play, or Ange’s rigid adherence to his philosophy. At the same time I recognise that things won’t change in this regard overnight, and there will continue to be inconsistent performances until we bring in better players for the system, or the young players we have mature into their roles.

I really do think we can build something good here under Ange, I don’t think a different face is going to change any of our wider problems.
 

southlondonyiddo

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Nov 8, 2004
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Considering the squad rotation I really don't think Europa can be a valid enough mitigating argument.
It can and it is - our squad is never able to compete in multiple competitions adequately, whatever nonsense Danny boy comes out with

To be able to leave players at home or to leave them on the bench for the 90mins, whilst still being truly competitive, is a dream
 

Westmorlandspur

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Yup, it’s really one eyed to ignore this too. It’s been an issue every single time we’ve been in the Europa/Conference League.
It’s not as if the main team are playing all the time. Usually 8 or 9 changes.
Ange keeps saying he needs to fix it but he hasn’t so far. It’s as if when it goes well, that’s great. If it goes wrong ….hes lost. Reminiscent of Kevin Keegan.
Poch sacked P 12..….14pts
Ange likely to be P12…16 pts……unless we dont play Dr Tottenham at City in next game.
Weve got quite a few dodgy fixtures before we get to halfway.
 

Tucker

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Jul 15, 2013
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It’s not as if the main team are playing all the time. Usually 8 or 9 changes.
It’s not this black and white though is it. We rested players on Thursday, but still had to bring on most of the first team. We should all remember this has been an issue no matter who’s been in charge or how many first teamers have been rested in Thursday night games.

We aren’t all goldfish surely?
 

okc1992

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Nov 11, 2024
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Considering the squad rotation I really don't think Europa can be a valid enough mitigating argument.
Whilst we have rotated, Solanke and Johnson in particular have played significant minutes due to injuries to Odobert, Richarlison and Son.

The way we defend is from the front with our press and Brighton 2nd half and yesterday our pressing was awful.
 

felmani26

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Jan 1, 2008
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It can and it is - our squad is never able to compete in multiple competitions adequately, whatever nonsense Danny boy comes out with

To be able to leave players at home or to leave them on the bench for the 90mins, whilst still being truly competitive, is a dream
This might be pertinent if we continually faltered in Europa and won with the 'first team' on the Sunday but the reverse is true.
 

Ron Burgundy

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Jun 19, 2008
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A lot of focus on the squad - IMO, losing against CP and Ipswich (at Home!) when you've shown you can beat much better sides, is less about the squad than it is the manager

I hate to say it, because I really like Ange and like a lot of what he does, but those results are absolutely mental.

I'm not advocating a change, but this is more on Ange than it is Levy
 

Martinhotspur

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May 20, 2013
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This nails it for me. We can’t keep rolling the dice on new managers and hoping we come up trumps. It’s never going to change unless we build from the foundations up. That’s going to take time and patience.
You need a good project manager and a competent foreman.
 
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