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Manager Watch: Ange Postecoglou

JUSTINSIGNAL

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Neto is just an example though. If that's not possible you get another similar profile and age to him. Instead we got someone 6 years younger. We went from going for a starter to a potential future starter.

But what if the manager prefers the younger player as he fits the exact profile of player he wants?

Everyone is speculating that Ange has been left short and that the club/Lange/Levy have signed kids despite Ange wanting more experience. But you really don’t know how much influence he had on that strategy.

He has consistently talked about building something sustainable in the long term. Filling the squad with young players. That every player signed is his responsibility.

It just seems to me that fans aren’t willing to accept the short term growing pains that go with developing a young squad, but maybe Ange understands this is a long term project so can take a few bumps in the road.
 

danielneeds

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But what if the manager prefers the younger player as he fits the exact profile of player he wants?

Everyone is speculating that Ange has been left short and that the club/Lange/Levy have signed kids despite Ange wanting more experience. But you really don’t know how much influence he had on that strategy.

He has consistently talked about building something sustainable in the long term. Filling the squad with young players. That every player signed is his responsibility.

It just seems to me that fans aren’t willing to accept the short term growing pains that go with developing a young squad, but maybe Ange understands this is a long term project so can take a few bumps in the road.
It’s not just the fans though. We all know that if we lose to City, Villa, Galatasaray the pressure will be right on from the board too. Levy never wants the spotlight on his bad leadership of the club, so he’ll shitcan anyone who makes the noise too loud.
 

mil1lion

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But what if the manager prefers the younger player as he fits the exact profile of player he wants?

Everyone is speculating that Ange has been left short and that the club/Lange/Levy have signed kids despite Ange wanting more experience. But you really don’t know how much influence he had on that strategy.

He has consistently talked about building something sustainable in the long term. Filling the squad with young players. That every player signed is his responsibility.

It just seems to me that fans aren’t willing to accept the short term growing pains that go with developing a young squad, but maybe Ange understands this is a long term project so can take a few bumps in the road.
If he did then I think that's a mistake. I think it's more a matter of him being presented with the options and agreeing to it. It's just a big u turn going from a 24 year old to an 19 year old. We know Neto was primary choice because Odobert was signed as soon as Neto went to Chelsea. If he wanted Odobert that's fair enough although I don't think both Odobert and Yang makes sense with Moore coming through. I think if we presented him 1 of those and 1 more established player he would opt for that. Who knows but I just think it's a mistake to have so many prospects. He might not last long enough for them to break through.
 

JUSTINSIGNAL

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Obviously… he’s played c. 60 games for two different teams getting relegated both seasons. What level is he proven at?

He’s been a stand out performer at team who has competed in the prem. He had more impact at that level than someone like Cole Palmer before Chelsea signed him, for example.

Thing is if we’re going to take the data-led route we’re likely to make more signings like this - players that might not necessarily have a big profile, but they have the skill set that specifically fit what the manager has requested.
 
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Joshua shepherd

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He’s been a stand out performer at team who has competed in the prem. He had more impact at that level than someone like Cole Palmer before Chelsea signed him, for example.

Thing is if we’re going to take the data-led route we’re likely to make more signings like this - played that might not necessarily have a big profile, but they have the skill set that specifically fit what the manager has requested.
This absolutely, and that’s okay… as long as it’s not at the expense of what we need to compete today.
 

JUSTINSIGNAL

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It’s not just the fans though. We all know that if we lose to City, Villa, Galatasaray the pressure will be right on from the board too. Levy never wants the spotlight on his bad leadership of the club, so he’ll shitcan anyone who makes the noise too loud.

Yes I get that, I just hope this time the board hold their nerve. As Ange said in his press conference, the examples of sticking to long term plans and that bearing fruit are there with Arsenal and Liverpool.
 

mabolsa_ritchey

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I’m probably the only one not having an issue that Levy didn’t back Ange and get him Gallagher, but my main gripe is that Ange actually wanted Gallagher 😂
 

only1waddle

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I’m probably the only one not having an issue that Levy didn’t back Ange and get him Gallagher, but my main gripe is that Ange actually wanted Gallagher 😂

He might be a marmite player but I'll bet you he would have worked his nuts off against Palace, his work ethic is excellent.
 

chas vs dave

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Ange tonight

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G Ron

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Full credit to Ange and the team today. Could’ve crumbled with the goal conceded before half time and after losing both centre halves, but dug in and ground out a result. COYFS!!
 

-Afri-Coy-

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It's just one very good game, just like the last one was just one very awful game.

Until there is some prolonged consistency it's going to be jury out. No point in beating City if you then fall to bits against Southampton in the next round.

Big win but that's it's all it is right now, and we have to build on it.

3 very good games away from a trophy, that’s the exact consistency we need.
 

muppetman

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It's just one very good game, just like the last one was just one very awful game.

Until there is some prolonged consistency it's going to be jury out. No point in beating City if you then fall to bits against Southampton in the next round.

Big win but that's it's all it is right now, and we have to build on it.
Not entirely sure I agree with this.

Progress is measured in different ways. Obviously the ultimate measure is beating everyone, all the time. But before we get there it will, by it's very nature be inconsistent.

Seeing out a result against a very good side is I think a sign of progress. It doesn't mean we are the finished article but it does prove that Ange's methods can work against very good teams.

Now City weren't at full strength, but their 3rd string is better than probably the bottom half of the table and maybe higher than that, so not to be sneezed at.
 

ajspurs

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I can’t be arsed for the general debate of can he can’t he off the back of that if I’m honest. The whole discussion will return again in force come Sunday irrespective of the result anyway.

Wasn’t perfect on the night but I was happy with his decisions, forced or not. Was backs to the wall for a lot of it but he was right in that we didn’t concede too many clear cut chances. Was a poor goal to concede also. I have to watch it again but was it Johnson once more who was caught at the back post?
 

Trix

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Seeing out a result against a very good side is I think a sign of progress. It doesn't mean we are the finished article but it does prove that Ange's methods can work against very good teams.
Never been in doubt for me. I keep saying we are capable of beating anyone, and I mean anyone. As long as we are capable of putting in the level of performance like Palace, Brighton and Coventry though as I say the jury is out. Good teams lose games, what they don't do is stink the place out to a man. That has to change, even if the results are up and down.
 

muppetman

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Never been in doubt for me. I keep saying we are capable of beating anyone, and I mean anyone. As long as we are capable of putting in the level of performance like Palace, Brighton and Coventry though as I say the jury is out. Good teams lose games, what they don't do is stink the place out to a man. That has to change, even if the results are up and down.
Again, I don't think I agree. If you are progressing and growing as a team you will have some matches where it clicks and works, but you will also have others where it doesn't.

I'm not going to do it because I'm too old and too tired, but I suspect if you went through the Arsenal forums of the first few years, you'd hear all the same complaints - it's part of trying to grow a team, rather than buy a bunch of top players and throw them together.

Good, finished article teams that are winning consistently and challenging for the highest honours don't stink the place out. Teams trying to develop with the likes of Moore, Gray, Werner, Johnson etc perhaps do.
 
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