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Manager Watch: Ange Postecoglou

Ange In or Ange Out?

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McFlash

Without doubt the dumbest & most clueless member.
Oct 19, 2005
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Is there not an argument to be had that Poch maybe would have insisted on doing just that and had enough clout to make it happen over Ange who is on a third of the salary and happy to be given what he gets as this is going to be the pinnacle of his career?

**Edit - I also think that Poch would have been far more adaptable in finding ways to win than what Ange is. Its feast or famine football which is no way to build a successful team. He regularly gets out coached and has no answers to slight changes in opposition tactics.
Yeah, maybe there is that argument but I'm not sure Poch has shown progression since he left us and I'm not really a fan of going back.

I loved Poch but his time with us came to an end and I wouldn't want to sully the fond memories I have.
Plus, he didn't half talk shit at times!
 
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roy@SC

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Aug 31, 2012
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Every week I'm unsure if we will be very good or awful. I have no confidence in any away game, no matter how poor the opposition. I just don't see a structure within the team that makes me confident we are on the right track as it all seems to collapse too easily too often. I'm really not convinced Ange is getting the best out of the squad.
 

TOLBINY

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Feb 4, 2019
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Maybe we should try telling our players this as they keep turning up to games and putting in performances like that.

Its not the getting beat that hurts, christ we're spurs fans who are more than used to that by now but its the manner of defeat that stings and when we routinely get beaten by far inferior teams than us just because they show some fight and hussle then thats when the knives come out (for me at least).

Ive noticed a real tone in here this season which is people referring back to the Poch days. Loads of us said at the time that he should have been the man to have been brought in. Like what possible reason was there to overlook him? He bleeds the club, he oversaw the last painful rebuild, he plays brilliant front foot football whilst having a solid spine that can go away from home and mix it with anyone when required. The decision to pick Ange over Poch was disastrous and one that has to be the final straw for Levy. He simply HAS to go and be replaced with someone with some form of ambition to be the very best FOOTBALL team.
"the final straw for Levy. He simply HAS to go" ha ha, - Levy will leave when Levy wants to leave - ain't nobody getting him out without paying through the nose..
 

felmani26

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Jan 1, 2008
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They’re an even bigger shit show than us. Then again, shit show clubs have always been attractive to him so who knows.
Rather inexplicably Ange is now listed at 66/1 so must've been some gremlins in the system showing him down at 3's!
 

E17yid

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Jan 21, 2013
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Rather inexplicably Ange is now listed at 66/1 so must've been some gremlins in the system showing him down at 3's!
Yeah, no way Ange goes to UTD. I can’t see our league form being so bad that we sack him before the end of the season.

Its a possibility that he goes by Christmas time but we’ll have to lose a lot of games between now and then for that to happen.
 

Neon_Knight_

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Jul 20, 2011
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I'm not sure an enforcer is as important as someone who can take the ball under pressure and play out. Someone thoroughly aware of his surroundings and comfortable passing either left or right, able to turn off both shoulders and generally being an always option on the half turn as far as an outlet. I'd much much prefer Dembele to peak Wanyama for instance.
I'd also prefer Carrick or Modric over peak Wanyama.
 

Monkey boy

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Jun 18, 2011
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It is what it is, this team will win games and look good some weeks, and others look a shambles as we lose pathetically. It’s why I’ve largely stopped posting this season to be honest, it’s just boring going round and round in circles having the same discussion and I’ve just resigned myself to this team being as it is.

Too many of them are inconsistent, flaky players who lack reliability week in week out. Too many of them are “moments” players, and fleeting moments at that. Too many – fans, and, worse, people at the club including the manager – are prepared to accept that.

Whisper it, but Ange is actually a bit self-indulgent and borderline cringe in interviews, frequently veering into the territory of saying he does things differently to other managers, and framing it that he believes in attacking football more than anyone else. Well alright, but prove it. If you are different and radical, be it. We’re half-arsing it in my opinion. We talk about adapting but it would be nice to commit to Plan A fully first.

If you want to at least attempt to be vintage Spain/Barca, or Brazil 1970, some free-wheeling maverick attacking team that plays the ball always and from everywhere and anywhere, build a team that reflects this. Let’s start at the back, seeing as that’s where our play starts from – get a goalkeeper who can spray passes at will, get some maverick centre backs who can dribble or laser passes out, and so on going up the team. I’m not expecting the best players, but as I’ve said time and again there needed to be much more emphasis on reliable technical footballing ability than what we have done in composing this squad.

I just think we’re in limbo really. Of course there are things that Ange could do differently in amongst his approach to the game. But the crux of the problem is that for these players tasked to pull of this style of play, too many of them can’t do it. We’re writing cheques that their ability can’t reliably cash.

You post some really good stuff mate and i usually agree with everything you say. I, like you feel like ive lost the will to give a shit anymore which is why id like to say half the things that you do but like this group of players i just feel a bit half assed about it all.
 

Jaffer99

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Feb 9, 2012
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Wish we would sack Ange, going nowhere with him, can only play one way, teams have sussed out how to play against us, we have 2 quality center backs who are made to look useless due to Ange tactics which in the strongest league in Europe doesn’t work.
We will win nothing with him…
 

cliff jones

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Aug 31, 2012
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It is what it is, this team will win games and look good some weeks, and others look a shambles as we lose pathetically. It’s why I’ve largely stopped posting this season to be honest, it’s just boring going round and round in circles having the same discussion and I’ve just resigned myself to this team being as it is.

Too many of them are inconsistent, flaky players who lack reliability week in week out. Too many of them are “moments” players, and fleeting moments at that. Too many – fans, and, worse, people at the club including the manager – are prepared to accept that.

Whisper it, but Ange is actually a bit self-indulgent and borderline cringe in interviews, frequently veering into the territory of saying he does things differently to other managers, and framing it that he believes in attacking football more than anyone else. Well alright, but prove it. If you are different and radical, be it. We’re half-arsing it in my opinion. We talk about adapting but it would be nice to commit to Plan A fully first.

If you want to at least attempt to be vintage Spain/Barca, or Brazil 1970, some free-wheeling maverick attacking team that plays the ball always and from everywhere and anywhere, build a team that reflects this. Let’s start at the back, seeing as that’s where our play starts from – get a goalkeeper who can spray passes at will, get some maverick centre backs who can dribble or laser passes out, and so on going up the team. I’m not expecting the best players, but as I’ve said time and again there needed to be much more emphasis on reliable technical footballing ability than what we have done in composing this squad.

I just think we’re in limbo really. Of course there are things that Ange could do differently in amongst his approach to the game. But the crux of the problem is that for these players tasked to pull of this style of play, too many of them can’t do it. We’re writing cheques that their ability can’t reliably cash.
Post more mate. Its on a different level to most of the dross on here.
 

Gb160

Shit Show ticket tout
Jun 20, 2012
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Mental that there are still fans who think sacking another manager will solve all our problems.
I like to think the penny has dropped with most.
 

Shanks

Kinda not anymore....
May 11, 2005
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Wish we would sack Ange, going nowhere with him, can only play one way, teams have sussed out how to play against us, we have 2 quality center backs who are made to look useless due to Ange tactics which in the strongest league in Europe doesn’t work.
We will win nothing with him…
Out of interest, who would you go for ?

I see this quite a bit, not always here, but I never quite get an answer to it, that makes any sense>
 

E17yid

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Jan 21, 2013
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Mental that there are still fans who think sacking another manager will solve all our problems.
I like to think the penny has dropped with most.
I’ll push back on this as I know you’re a big boy who can take it but isn’t this just the way football works now? We’re not the only ones who sack managers after 2 or 3 years. UTD have just sacked theirs and Chelsea do it in the regular as do every other club pretty much, it’s just the way it is now.

On top of that, clubs like Chelsea, or Anyone really, show that you can, on occasion, sack a manger, get a better suited one, and do much better.

There’s also the argument that, even assuming you are 100% right and it’s all Levy’s fault (he certainly has to share a lot of the blame) it’s pointless moaning about it as he’s not going anywhere unless he wants to so all you can do is hope we sign good players/managers and results will improve, pretty much the same boat as every other club.
 

jimbo

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Dec 22, 2003
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I’ll push back on this as I know you’re a big boy who can take it but isn’t this just the way football works now? We’re not the only ones who sack managers after 2 or 3 years. UTD have just sacked theirs and Chelsea do it in the regular as do every other club pretty much, it’s just the way it is now.

On top of that, clubs like Chelsea, or Anyone really, show that you can, on occasion, sack a manger, get a better suited one, and do much better.

There’s also the argument that, even assuming you are 100% right and it’s all Levy’s fault (he certainly has to share a lot of the blame) it’s pointless moaning about it as he’s not going anywhere unless he wants to so all you can do is hope we sign good players/managers and results will improve, pretty much the same boat as every other club.
I would take it more as a 'there's no point twisting our knickers' statement - as that's what I feel.

This manager, that manager, the other manager - none of them are going to make a great deal of difference to what this club achieves because it very, very obviously isn't the manager/coach that's the root of it all. We've tried just about every conceivable type of manager going, none of them have really worked because the problem runs deeper and higher than the dugout.

Basically, no point worrying about it or arguing about it because it's all a waste of energy is how I understood it.
 
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