Manager Watch: Ange Postecoglou

[spursfan77]

Yep a real controlling DM should be the top of his wish list, if it uses the entire budget to get the right one then so be it. It is key to everything imo. I personally don't think Bissouma or Bentancur have the right skillsets to play that role effectively.

Should have bought that in the summer on top of a proper left back who can defend and a top draw winger who can beat a man yet we did none of it.

I still remember lots celebrating the summer window beginning with the Werner signing being a good one. It was baffling at the time and hilarious now!

 

[Trix]

Sorry, and it's not really for this thread but no, it wasn't all on Van de Ven.

It started with Udogie holding onto the ball for too long which invited pressure. Romero then trying a casual chipped pass across our own goal to Van de Ven was next, he could have just lumped it forward and played us out of any bother. The touch from Van de Ven is awful. And then the rest is a calamity.

It does bring me on to my next question though, why don't we hoof it long when we're under pressure? We actually started doing it second half, so why not a bit more? It eases things completely, it might lose the ball but our midfielders and attackers are more than capable of pressing opposition defenders and winning the ball high up the pitch anyway.

This constant fannying around with the ball at the back is costing us every game. This is yet another goal conceded from us making an error rather than good play by the opposition.

VdV was awful yesterday. He's one player that gets a pass from me though because I think it's the first time I have said that about him since he arrived.

 

[Styopa]

Should have bought that in the summer on top of a proper left back who can defend and a top draw winger who can beat a man yet we did none of it.

I still remember lots celebrating the summer window beginning with the Werner signing being a good one. It was baffling at the time and hilarious now!

Yeah, imo it was a window that could potentially lead to Ange losing his job. That’s not to say that the signings of Gray, Bergvall, and Odobert were bad business. In time they may come to be seen as some of the best business the club has ever done. But for the immediate needs of the team, it wasn’t a great window, and plenty of us said so at the time.

In hindsight, we set out our stall with the Werner loan. It showed we weren't really serious about buying established top-tier players.

 

[CerfBlanc]

Yep a real controlling DM should be the top of his wish list, if it uses the entire budget to get the right one then so be it. It is key to everything imo. I personally don't think Bissouma or Bentancur have the right skillsets to play that role effectively.

He spent 40 million on Gray in the summer and plays in at right back. Ange is clearly out of his depth. Get rid before the season cant be saved!

 

[nferno]

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“We gonna make you proud… we gonna make you proud…”

 

[HildoSpur]

He spent 40 million on Gray in the summer and plays in at right back. Ange is clearly out of his depth. Get rid before the season cant be saved!

Good grief

 

[E17yid]

I would say we need a Rice or Rodri type player, but that’s not easy to find.

We’ve already got one. Hes going to go down as one of the GOATS. Just need to start playing him and getting him up to speed, even if that takes the rest of the season and next. We’re not getting top 4 anyway so might as well start blooding him now.

 

[For the love of Spurs]

I think yesterday was the worst I’ve seen us play under Ange, sure we have capitulated before and conceded soft goals but yesterday was so so poor, lacked all fight and urgency.
But I’ll maintain that because of that shit transfer window we’re going to have these inconsistent times.
At the start of the summer we all thought we needed a dm. The club decided that Archie gray could fulfill the role except it seems not yet so we have essentially brought a back up right back for 40 million. Meanwhile the two deepest lying central midfielders are no more defensive than our attacking ones and both have huge weakness’ in their game. Imagine we had gone all out for Paulhinia and beat Bayern to him. He would have stopped so many issues we face. Just an example as he almost certainly would have chosen Bayern but somebody experienced, physical and that enjoys defending in that role would make a world of difference.
Udogie looks knackered and again we decided we didn’t need any cover whatsoever on the left side of defence, a total neglection of duties, especially with a gruelling European campaign and now we can’t rest him.
Our biggest hope in our front three now is a 17 year old. We only have one right winger and he barely gets involved int he build up and is a confidence player and the cheap option we went for on the left has even less confidence than me jna nightclub at 18.
So we’re left with a paper thin squad as the two youngsters we gaslighted ourselves into thinking would strengthen us aren’t getting anywhere near the premier league team and the club has decided that we’re happy to write the season off for the future.
The trouble is this policy will likely mean another manager loses his job and he will do so as we have the same debates about who decided to buy the wrong players or no players in some cases.
It could have been so different. Buying two more established players im the summer would have made the world of difference but that’s the point. The club doesn’t really care about winning. Sure it wants to be in that top six mix, ideally top four but beyond that it’s not important. Ange clearly does though, you can see the hurt it he is fighting a massive uphill battle with this ownership and the squad he has.

Arsenal have put out some absolute shockers of performances but Saka nearly always saves them. We lost Kane who was our get out of jail free card. Man City aside most teams put out performances like we did yesterday quite a bit, but they either have World class players like Saka who can fill in or they might be good at the collective warrior fight through it way of doing things.

Yesterday’s performance will happen under any manager we get, that’s simply football. We need either to get better players like Kane or be better at winning and fighting dirty when we play dogshit.

 

[felmani26]

We’ve already got one. Hes going to go down as one of the GOATS. Just need to start playing him and getting him up to speed, even if that takes the rest of the season and next. We’re not getting top 4 anyway so might as well start blooding him now.

I do wonder how different our matchday XI will differ towards the latter end of this season to what it resembles now.

 

[Marty]

He spent 40 million on Gray in the summer and plays in at right back. Ange is clearly out of his depth. Get rid before the season cant be saved!

It's impossible to know for sure whether flippant comments like this are serious or not.

 

[Teddy Klinsmann]

I’ve come to the conclusion that it doesn’t really matter who coaches this team. I’ve supported this club for 30+ years and seen them lift 2 league cups. Our time has passed as a regular cup winning team. There is only a very small chance each year that we succeed ahead of 4 or 5 other more successful, more ambitious sides. Until the club is bought by Saudis or the like who don’t mind slashing money to win then this is where we’re at. We’ve had some of the best managers in the world recently and none of them have done anything of note. Ange will prob leave with winning nothing and his successor will do similar. I’ve come to accept we win some and loss some and that’s it.

 

[Shanks]

Yep a real controlling DM should be the top of his wish list, if it uses the entire budget to get the right one then so be it. It is key to everything imo. I personally don't think Bissouma or Bentancur have the right skillsets to play that role effectively.

We have been missing out on this position for a long time, and the specialists in these positions come in at top dollar, right behind the goalscorers - look at every top team and they have quality in this position.

We don't... its absolutely the most important position (I call it the no.6 position if I was numbering)... so, so important.

When did we have our last no6 enforcer type player?

 

[Cavehillspur]

We have been missing out on this position for a long time, and the specialists in these positions come in at top dollar, right behind the goalscorers - look at every top team and they have quality in this position.

We don't... its absolutely the most important position (I call it the no.6 position if I was numbering)... so, so important.

When did we have our last no6 enforcer type player?

Think the closest in recent years was maybe Wanyama?

 

[TPdYID]

A very consequential game, not just for us, but for the season as a whole. Like the latter stages of cups and "6 pointers" at the top of the table.

So in old money aka as an important game?

Apologies if I’m sounding pedantic. It’s a struggle keeping up with the football hipsters and their terminology.

 

[Gb160]

Apologies if I’m sounding pedantic. It’s a struggle keeping up with the football hipsters and their terminology.

It's a yank term. We'll have a kiss-cam next.

 

[Shanks]

Think the closest in recent years was maybe Wanyama?

Yeah maybe, and that says a lot really, not exactly the best ;-)

 

[E17yid]

I do wonder how different our matchday XI will differ towards the latter end of this season to what it resembles now.

Yeah I do too. I like Bissouma and Bentancur as players but I wouldn’t be sad to see either of them go in the summer to be honest. But really, other than that, I think we’ve got a great little squad but the way I see it, Bergvall, Gray and Moore are the future so I hope they all look like being regular starters towards the end of the season.

 

[TOLBINY]

We’ve already got one. Hes going to go down as one of the GOATS. Just need to start playing him and getting him up to speed, even if that takes the rest of the season and next. We’re not getting top 4 anyway so might as well start blooding him now.

Yep - posted weeks ago we should be playing Gray, Bergvall and Moore in the Prem - let them get used to it week in week out - they will make mistakes, they will have shockers but if they have got what it takes, and I am certain Gray has, they (and us) will be all the better for it next season.

Play the more experienced players in the Europa as that is our best chance of a cup (we will likely face a top team in the domestic cups so cannot prioritise those).

 

[E17yid]

Yep - posted weeks ago we should be playing Gray, Bergvall and Moore in the Prem - let them get used to it week in week out - they will make mistakes, they will have shockers but if they have got what it takes, and I am certain Gray has, they (and us) will be all the better for it next season.

Play the more experienced players in the Europa as that is our best chance of a cup (we will likely face a top team in the domestic cups so cannot prioritise those).

I agree with you but Ange can’t afford to do that really. Especially after being bullish about always winning things in his second year, he needs results.

I’ve almost totally written off the league this year which o wasn’t expecting to do but it is what it is. Hopefully we can do something in the cups which is why id be happy to just treat the league as a nursery for Moore, Gray and Bergvall.

 

[spursfan77]

Yeah, imo it was a window that could potentially lead to Ange losing his job. That’s not to say that the signings of Gray, Bergvall, and Odobert were bad business. In time they may come to be seen as some of the best business the club has ever done. But for the immediate needs of the team, it wasn’t a great window, and plenty of us said so at the time.

In hindsight, we set out our stall with the Werner loan. It showed we weren't really serious about buying established top-tier players.

It was obvious as soon as we brought him back in the window was going to be a concern. I said at the time it was a poor incoming and that would be the case.