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Manager Watch: Ange Postecoglou

muppetman

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It often feels like we are on an endless quest to find the perfect manager - a mythical figure who ticks every box. I think the ideal Spurs manager would look something like this:
  1. Never lose a game.

I have no idea whether such a manager exists. I have never seen one at Spurs, though.
Fixed that for you.

I'm being silly, but the level of angst generated by a shit half of football is just way OTT.

I'd love to know the amount of traffic this site gets when we win up against when we don't.
 

Styopa

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Fixed that for you.

I'm being silly, but the level of angst generated by a shit half of football is just way OTT.

I'd love to know the amount of traffic this site gets when we win up against when we don't.

To be fair, people find plenty to complain about when we win too. :LOL:
 

ultimateloner

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The problem is every time we are on a managerial search we speak to quite a few. Some of them Levy(the board) doesn't like, then there are others that just won't work under him because of his history. You say he did well getting Ange but like a huge number of staff at the club now he is repped by Base. Had he not been I'm not sure he'd have even been on the radar.

This isn't me having a pop at Ange or saying he's not the right guy, this is me saying what I have always said.....Are we picking up all these Base represented players and staff members because they are the best people we could bring in, or is it because they are repped by Base and it's an easy to facilitate fix. I do find it incredibly difficult to believe due to the numbers that it is the former to be quite honest.
ok now that another poster told me what Base is, your suspiction does seem valid.

If I was Levy I would do the same too; given there is no gurantee (unless is a big name) in transfers, and unless there is an obviously better alternative, you might as well go for a Base-repped recruit. If we are their big client, we have more grounds on getting preferential treatment (likely in the form of lower fees), and commercial benefits are more tangible.
 

SpursSince1980

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Like, this is the first goal.

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This is the second (Romero can't be this sloppy ffs).

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This is the third.

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You can *maybe* argue the high line contributes to the first because the defenders are running back but we've still more than enough players to cover. The other two are just fucking abysmal, lazy defending. Three players are around the winger and he still crosses it in - there's four defenders and just Welbeck in the box and he still gets there first.
This sums up the game for me. Frankly, Udogie and Romero lost us the match. All three goals have something to do with them either making a stupid mistake or being switched off.

Look at the third… Udogie again flapped and lost his guy. But Romero got sucked into ball watching, leaving Welbeck wide open.

On top of that Werner was a passenger all game long. Which didn’t help Udogie one little bit.

For me… it was similar to Newcastle and Leicester games but obviously felt more catastrophic as we were two goals ahead. But like the aforementioned games…. We were the better team, but lost.

The game should have been over by HT, but one keystone cop moment later, Brighton get all the impetus they need to shatter a team filled with fragile mentalities.
 

wpmcg

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This sums up the game for me. Frankly, Udogie and Romero lost us the match. All three goals have something to do with them either making a stupid mistake or being switched off.

Look at the third… Udogie again flapped and lost his guy. But Romero got sucked into ball watching, leaving Welbeck wide open.

On top of that Werner was a passenger all game long. Which didn’t help Udogie one little bit.

For me… it was similar to Newcastle and Leicester games but obviously felt more catastrophic as we were two goals ahead. But like the aforementioned games…. We were the better team, but lost.

The game should have been over by HT, but one keystone cop moment later, Brighton get all the impetus they need to shatter a team filled with fragile mentalities.
I agree with all that but..... Bentancur could have hoofed the ball out for a corner on goal 3.
 

Archibald&Crooks

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I'd love to know the amount of traffic this site gets when we win up against when we don't.
I think we're far busier after a loss. As an aside, when we went 3-2 down, a number of posters started logging on and several of those are well known for getting erections when there's complaining to be done.
 

npearl4spurs

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We are back, baby. We are fuckin back!
 

npearl4spurs

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I think we're far busier after a loss. As an aside, when we went 3-2 down, a number of posters started logging on and several of those are well known for getting erections when there's complaining to be done.
How about the number of posters logging on who are known for complaining when there are no erections?
 

thehipster

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The biggest complainers are those that are deluded to believe that happiness comes from external sources.
They wonder around life blaming everyone/everything else for the reason they‘re not bubbling with joy.
So come matchday, their self-value and sense of fulfilment is SO wrapped up in the weekly result, that they feel mugged if it isn’t a resounding win.

Headline news. Happiness is an inside job. It doesn’t come from external sources.
It’s self-created.
Ange and the team are NOT responsible for your sense of joy in life.
Thats your responsibility.
They put on a show….and you (yes you) get to CHOOSE how you want to respond to that show.

You always have a choice.
If you want to feel REALLY PISSED OFF, fine. But that’s your choice.
You get to create your own reality. Always.
 

mil1lion

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May 7, 2004
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The biggest complainers are those that are deluded to believe that happiness comes from external sources.
They wonder around life blaming everyone/everything else for the reason they‘re not bubbling with joy.
So come matchday, their self-value and sense of fulfilment is SO wrapped up in the weekly result, that they feel mugged if it isn’t a resounding win.

Headline news. Happiness is an inside job. It doesn’t come from external sources.
It’s self-created.
Ange and the team are NOT responsible for your sense of joy in life.
Thats your responsibility.
They put on a show….and you (yes you) get to CHOOSE how you want to respond to that show.

You always have a choice.
If you want to feel REALLY PISSED OFF, fine. But that’s your choice.
You get to create your own reality. Always.
So you think people who suffer depression just need to choose to be happy instead? Fuck you on about?
 

dontcallme

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Mar 18, 2005
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The biggest complainers are those that are deluded to believe that happiness comes from external sources.
They wonder around life blaming everyone/everything else for the reason they‘re not bubbling with joy.
So come matchday, their self-value and sense of fulfilment is SO wrapped up in the weekly result, that they feel mugged if it isn’t a resounding win.

Headline news. Happiness is an inside job. It doesn’t come from external sources.
It’s self-created.
Ange and the team are NOT responsible for your sense of joy in life.
Thats your responsibility.
They put on a show….and you (yes you) get to CHOOSE how you want to respond to that show.

You always have a choice.
If you want to feel REALLY PISSED OFF, fine. But that’s your choice.
You get to create your own reality. Always.
Get prepared for people taking your post massively out of context.
 

cliff jones

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Like, this is the first goal.

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This is the second (Romero can't be this sloppy ffs).

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This is the third.

View attachment 146329

You can *maybe* argue the high line contributes to the first because the defenders are running back but we've still more than enough players to cover. The other two are just fucking abysmal, lazy defending. Three players are around the winger and he still crosses it in - there's four defenders and just Welbeck in the box and he still gets there first.
Excellent post thanks. The decisive problem with the first two goals are the disjointed positions taken up by all four defenders, and most of them being oblivious as to where their attackers are

But we were so passive after the break. It was like someone spiked the half time cuppa with elephant tranquilizer
 

Guernman

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Well I'm still fully pro Ange, and I don't really agree with two criticisms currently being thrown at him.

Firstly, I don't really think he is too stubborn to tweak things, I think he is just painfully aware of how long it really takes to change a group's mentality. For example, for years now we have always completely switched our approach on the pitch to defend a lead, going totally negative and defensive. No matter who the manager was we did this. Obviously Jose and Conte were defensive managers, but even they insisted this was not on their instructions, and we did the same through much of Ange's first season.

This season, we haven't done this and at least to my eyes this is a major and significant change. If you weren't shown the score but were shown passages of our play this season, you couldn't really tell if we were winning or not, but before it was obvious. This change was only possible because of Ange's extreme stubbornness and insistence in this regard.

It didn't matter if Jose or Conte said to keep pushing forward even if we went ahead, the actual dynamic in the group was a negative culture of blame if you made a mistake, Ange has only removed that through pushing to the other extreme, as epitomised with the Chelsea game last season when we were down to 9 men.

I think Ange is very capable of making many compromises and tweaks within his system, and also perfectly aware of things that he could do which would have short term benefits, but his bigger picture is fundamentally changing the mentality and culture of negative football which was absolutely embedded in this club's psyche. If you make the short term compromises before you have changed the mentality you are just going to lose the mentality gains you've made.

I think he has faith that we will keep playing positively now and with this comes much more license to tweak the tactics which we have seen already this season, and which we will see more of, as long as his core beliefs continue to be reflected in our play.

Secondly, I don't really blame him for the Brighton loss and his lack of subs etc. Playing his way requires a huge degree of effort and pain for the players. I just think they came out for the second half, after a gruelling pre season, and already a pretty intense schedule and collectively thought, you know what, things are great now, we have won 5 on the bounce, we are going to win this game comfortably, and we can just take the foot off the gas for a while.

Just as under peak Poch, our game requires our out-working the opponent every game, whoever they are. For Ange that is the first and non-negotiable tenet of his approach, and the tactics and the subs are completely secondary to that. I think he was furious at our attitude in that second half, and it was the collective lazy mentality shown on the pitch by all the players which lost us the game, rather than his failing to make subs a few minutes sooner.

It's a shame the international break came when it did, because I suspect the team got the biggest rollicking of his tenure after that.
 

Mr Pink

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Aug 25, 2010
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The biggest complainers are those that are deluded to believe that happiness comes from external sources.
They wonder around life blaming everyone/everything else for the reason they‘re not bubbling with joy.
So come matchday, their self-value and sense of fulfilment is SO wrapped up in the weekly result, that they feel mugged if it isn’t a resounding win.

Headline news. Happiness is an inside job. It doesn’t come from external sources.
It’s self-created.
Ange and the team are NOT responsible for your sense of joy in life.
Thats your responsibility.
They put on a show….and you (yes you) get to CHOOSE how you want to respond to that show.

You always have a choice.
If you want to feel REALLY PISSED OFF, fine. But that’s your choice.
You get to create your own reality. Always.

Absolutely hate posts like this.

What a load of nonsense. Yes some people (a few go overboard) but the vast majority vent a bit because theyre disappointed.

They love Tottenham and get a great buzz when they win, and get a bit down when they dont - but for most it quickly evaporates when the loss dissipates.

All this you should have zero emotion after a loss is nonsense.

Maybe youre just not as invested as some but thats a load of patronising crap imo.
 
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Archibald&Crooks

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Absolutely hate posts like this.

What a load of nonsense. Yes some people (a few go overboard) but the vast majority vent a bit
You know when he said the ‘biggest complainers’……….Thats the few that go overboard that I think perhaps he’s talking about.

Those few are very vocal, a bit OTT and persistent so personally I would veer towards separating that behaviour and his comments from the casual venting rather than take it as a post meaning everyone or taking it literally :D
 
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