Manager Watch: Ange Postecoglou

[Donki]

He sure as shit ain’t backing down . He is more come at me ****.

 

[felmani26]

Why do people keep saying it doesn't matter where we finish this season? It 100% bloody matters. It makes a difference to who wants to stay, on the quality of player we can bring in, how much we can pay for them and wages, and whether or not we can give a competitive squad meaningful game time. Completely ridiculous notion that league position is irrelevant as long as there is nice football.

There's not a cat in hells chance Ange is still here next year if we finish 8th-9th/out of Europe, and you can quote me on that.

I think the caveat to having a poor domestic campaign is that this is compensated by going hard in the Cups and really, winning one of them.

In respect of this season, I'll take 8th/9th in the League but European glory every day of the week.

 

[Donki]

Why do people keep saying it doesn't matter where we finish this season? It 100% bloody matters. It makes a difference to who wants to stay, on the quality of player we can bring in, how much we can pay for them and wages, and whether or not we can give a competitive squad meaningful game time. Completely ridiculous notion that league position is irrelevant as long as there is nice football.

There's not a cat in hells chance Ange is still here next year if we finish 8th-9th/out of Europe, and you can quote me on that.

I’d say if u are right it’s a bad thing, I like Ange, it’s certainly better than Jose, Conte shit. We will never complete seriously in the PL, the sooner we accept it, the happier we will be.

 

[Trix]

I think the caveat to having a poor domestic campaign is that this is compensated by going hard in the Cups and really, winning one of them.

In respect of this season, I'll take 8th/9th in the League but European glory every day of the week.

I think he'd have to win one if we dropped down the league. Near misses and good will wouldn't be enough to keep him in the hotseat.

 

[E17yid]

I think the caveat to having a poor domestic campaign is that this is compensated by going hard in the Cups and really, winning one of them.

In respect of this season, I'll take 8th/9th in the League but European glory every day of the week.

Considering winning the Europa gets you CL next season I’ll take a 17th place finish.

 

[Westmorlandspur]

The problem he faces is that if he loses against West Ham next up I think that will be 9 London derbies with no wins but more importantly he would’ve lost @riggi and it’ll just be a matter of time before he’s sacked, or dead.

So it doesn’t count if we beat Fulham palace or Brentford

 

[Trix]

I’d say if u are right it’s a bad thing, I like Ange, it’s certainly better than Jose, Conte shit. We will never complete seriously in the PL, the sooner we accept it, the happier we will be.

We can't compete by doing things the same way as some of the other clubs(yet but that may not be too far off) but I mean it was literally 5 years ago we were competing seriously for the Premier league. We can't compete by doing things the same way as some of the other clubs

Doesn't matter what you or I accept, not that we'd accept the same thing. Mediocrity tied up with a nice bow won't be enough for me, and definitely won't be for Levy after what we've spent. We can debate all day long whether we have spent enough or how it has been spent, but again that is irrelevant. Levy doesn't believe we have the 8th/9th best squad, and that's all that will really matter when push comes to shove.

 

[E17yid]

So it doesn’t count if we beat Fulham palace or Brentford

As was said a few posts back, the stat I saw was only including the big 3 (Arsenal, Chelsea and West Ham)

 

[Westmorlandspur]

Our form since the mythical first ten games is. P35. = 50points. Around 9th In a full season. Yes we can’t just take out a run of games but we now need a similar run of 10 to get us in that top 4 again. The failure to beat top half sides is killing us.

 

[Donki]

Doesn't matter what you or I accept, not that we'd accept the same thing. Mediocrity tied up with a nice bow won't be enough for me, and definitely won't be for Levy after what we've spent. We can debate all day long whether we have spent enough or how it has been spent, but again that is irrelevant. Levy doesn't believe we have the 8th/9th best squad, and that's all that will really matter when push comes to shove.

When ur a club backed by a state…. There ain’t much u can do. City will always be there, maybe ffp come a down hard on them, I doubt they will relocate them. I think the FA are shitting themselves rn, City are to be a draw for them to do what why should sadly.

 

[Westmorlandspur]

As was said a few posts back, the stat I saw was only including the big 3 (Arsenal, Chelsea and West Ham)

A london derby Is two teams from London playing each other.

 

[E17yid]

A london derby Is two teams from London playing each other.

Oh yeah, it’s my bad for putting London derbies as I should’ve put big London derbies or just specified Chelsea, Arsenal and West Ham but I was unaware it was just those 3.

 

[Donki]

We can't compete by doing things the same way as some of the other clubs(yet but that may not be too far off) but I mean it was literally 5 years ago we were competing seriously for the Premier league. We can't compete by doing things the same way as some of the other clubs

Doesn't matter what you or I accept, not that we'd accept the same thing. Mediocrity tied up with a nice bow won't be enough for me, and definitely won't be for Levy after what we've spent. We can debate all day long whether we have spent enough or how it has been spent, but again that is irrelevant. Levy doesn't believe we have the 8th/9th best squad, and that's all that will really matter when push comes to shove.

Sadly money wins, that’s the long and short of it.

 

[Styopa]

Doesn't matter what you or I accept, not that we'd accept the same thing. Mediocrity tied up with a nice bow won't be enough for me, and definitely won't be for Levy after what we've spent. We can debate all day long whether we have spent enough or how it has been spent, but again that is irrelevant. Levy doesn't believe we have the 8th/9th best squad, and that's all that will really matter when push comes to shove.

But if you’re right—and I suspect you are—it just emphasises that all this talk about fans needing to have faith and be patient doesn’t matter after a certain point. Levy will make his own decisions, no matter what.

By the end of the season, there may still be a strong majority of fans wanting to keep Ange. However, if Levy decides it’s time to part ways with him, the patience of those fans won’t make a difference.

 

[E17yid]

But if you’re right—and I suspect you are—it just emphasises that all this talk about fans needing to have faith and be patient doesn’t matter after a certain point. Levy will make his own decisions, no matter what.

By the end of the season, there may still be a strong majority of fans wanting to keep Ange. However, if Levy decides it’s time to part ways with him, the patience of those fans won’t make a difference.

Bingo. Which is why all this “fans holding us back” talk you see is a load of bollocks. The only influence fans have is a little bit in the stadium on match days. Anything outside of that is minimal to non existent.

 

[Gassin's finest]

Bingo. Which is why all this “fans holding us back” talk you see is a load of bollocks. The only influence fans have is a little bit in the stadium on match days. Anything outside of that is minimal to non existent.

And the regulars who go to matches are generally always supporting the team. It takes a lot for the whole stadium to turn. Nuno v Man Utd was the last time I remember things getting really toxic.

 

[ajspurs]

Why do people keep saying it doesn't matter where we finish this season? It 100% bloody matters. It makes a difference to who wants to stay, on the quality of player we can bring in, how much we can pay for them and wages, and whether or not we can give a competitive squad meaningful game time. Completely ridiculous notion that league position is irrelevant as long as there is nice football.

There's not a cat in hells chance Ange is still here next year if we finish 8th-9th/out of Europe, and you can quote me on that.

At the same time imagine if the Arsenal board had said the same? Very questionable that they'd still be looking like the second-best team in the league at this point as a result. IMO you finally put your foot down and give a manager what he needs. One thing I do wholeheartedly believe is that if we sack Ange and continue to not push the boat out and give the manager what he needs, the cycle will just continue.

Still early days init, maybe we can both have our cake and eat it this season

I’m hoping that the loss against Brighton will actually give Ange and the players a good kick up the arse and we’ll see a good response and go on a little run.

Hopefully so mate. I don't know what to think in the regard to be honest, the mere thought of football makes me a bit sick after Sunday! Hopefully we look back on it and can say it was a game where we really did learn something for the better.

 

[Donki]

But if you’re right—and I suspect you are—it just emphasises that all this talk about fans needing to have faith and be patient doesn’t matter after a certain point. Levy will make his own decisions, no matter what.

By the end of the season, there may still be a strong majority of fans wanting to keep Ange. However, if Levy decides it’s time to part ways with him, the patience of those fans won’t make a difference.

Levy never made promises he didn’t. Keep. He said right front the out set we would be a sled suffented club. He was never gonna bank roll. Sadly we don’t see that, arsenal are reaping the rewards of it.

 

[jakuba]

Doesn't matter what you or I accept, not that we'd accept the same thing. Mediocrity tied up with a nice bow won't be enough for me, and definitely won't be for Levy after what we've spent. We can debate all day long whether we have spent enough or how it has been spent, but again that is irrelevant. Levy doesn't believe we have the 8th/9th best squad, and that's all that will really matter when push comes to shove.

I appreciate we have spent a lot in recent years and would agree with this view even without my bias. But given we have (Solanke aside) focussed on youth in the summer, I’d have thought that would temper the expectations of our squad in the immediate term. So whilst we have got a squad that is better than 8th or 9th - if we’re prioritising cup competitions and developing potential in our younger players we might have to stomach lower than where our squad “should” place us.

In any case you’d hope we can be better than the sum of our parts. But that’s always easier said than done.

 

[Gilzeanking]

At the same time imagine if the Arsenal board had said the same? Very questionable that they'd still be looking like the second-best team in the league at this point as a result. IMO you finally put your foot down and give a manager what he needs. One thing I do wholeheartedly believe is that if we sack Ange and continue to not push the boat out and give the manager what he needs, the cycle will just continue.

Round and round with this. Standard answer is Lego head had won a cup by now. Also Lego head was young and learning.

Ange is pretty fixed and at 59 his adaptive abilities may not be at their best. We need him to adapt to the Prem imo.