Manager Watch: Ange Postecoglou

[midoshairband]

Does the system put players in more high risk situations where individual errors are more likely though? Of course we also saw that with Conte where our team couldn't concentrate and stay disciplined for long enough either so...

i think sometimes you'd have to say yes, the system can be at fault. but you have to accept those if we want to play Ange's style.

but i've lost count of the number of times, for example, Romero has lost his man, or we've needlessly given the ball away by making the wrong choice. then there's the total abominations like Udogie not being able to kick a ball. those things aren't system errors to me.

 

[dontcallme]

i think sometimes you'd have to say yes, the system can be at fault. but you have to accept those if we want to play Ange's style.

but i've lost count of the number of times, for example, Romero has lost his man, or we've needlessly given the ball away by making the wrong choice. then there's the total abominations like Udogie not being able to kick a ball. those things aren't system errors to me.

I am fully on board with Ange at this stage and think we still need time to develop our play to fit his system.

One concern is his style of play puts a lot of pressure onto individuals and individual errors will occur as a result.

 

[midoshairband]

I am fully on board with Ange at this stage and think we still need time to develop our play to fit his system.

One concern is his style of play puts a lot of pressure onto individuals and individual errors will occur as a result.

again, i get that, but Udogie not being able to kick, or Romero failing to see what's around him and mark an attacker isn't a system error or an error brought about by pressure.

just my opinion anyway - what do i know, i'm just another bloody frustrated Spurs fan.

 

[Teegart]

I think blaming individual player mistakes is a bit misleading. The way we play, we’ll always have more individual errors than other teams. There’s just too much pressure put on them to be perfect.

We leave so many defenders on islands, that if they aren’t perfect then it’s likely going to result in a decent chance for the opposition. The amount of times we end up 3 on 3 for example. It’s no wonder that against top 8 opposition, who have a better quality of front line, that they punish us.

I don’t think it’s any coincidence that it’s often either at the very start of games where we might not be fully switched on, or in the second halves when we are tiring, where we see these mental errors.

I do love the way Ange wants to play, but I don’t think it’s asking too much to be slightly more pragmatic at times, specifically in the second half, even for a 10 minute spell to “catch our breaths” and reset. We need to do better at seeing second halves out, and if that’s offering slightly more protection to our back line for a spell, then I’d argue it’s required.

 

[mil1lion]

I'm all for showing patience and giving him time but the form is near relegation form. To have as many losses as wins a big concern, we won't go far at this rate. It's 2nd season and we should really be doing better at this point. I'm not expecting top 4 form because I don't think we have the players for that. But I do expect top 7 form and we're below that so he's no longer performing at the level we should be with the players he has. See where we are come Christmas and if we're in the top half around Europe stick with it. If we're down the bottom half I do think his time will be up sadly. Love what he's trying to do but do feel for it to work in this league requires better players than we will buy.

 

[N'Obody]

I know a couple guys responded to my post about fragile fan base. I stick to by those words. The reaction and response in itself shows the fragility. Doesn't matter how long you have been supporting spurs. This comes with the package of being a spurs fan. I've supported spurs for over 20 years, and I've been patient through that time.

I appreciate others have supported longer then that, but to complain and moan about it, won't change anything either. I choose to stay optimistic and endure the suffering. That's just how I am as a person and patience is everything for me.

If the good times are going to come, I can see Ange being that man to bring it. This season alone, I've seen major improvements game on game in terms of how we attack, yet we are still a work in progress and not the finished article yet.

That second half showing would have taught Ange alot, and I believe he will adapt. He isn't one to admit to the press when he's got it wrong. For e.g. set pieces issues we faced, he kept saying there's not an issue, yet now we look more reassured at them, which shows he adapted and made tweaks, same with the system and how we have been attacking. He's definitely upset by what's happened and I believe he will adapt and make subs sooner going forward.

Yes as annoying as it is to keep saying "trust the process" this is literally what we need to do and enjoy the ride. If shit goes sideways, then so be it. But I for one won't be doom and gloom about things ever.

 

[bubble07]

I think it will be another bumpy season and will take another couple of transfer windows more but I think we are onto something here

 

[quackers]

again, i get that, but Udogie not being able to kick, or Romero failing to see what's around him and mark an attacker isn't a system error or an error brought about by pressure.

just my opinion anyway - what do i know, i'm just another bloody frustrated Spurs fan.

but it is.

Its absolute chaos when we dont have the ball and the one half-turn beats the press. which brighton did time and again.

 

[TC18]

I'm all for showing patience and giving him time but the form is near relegation form. To have as many losses as wins a big concern, we won't go far at this rate. It's 2nd season and we should really be doing better at this point. I'm not expecting top 4 form because I don't think we have the players for that. But I do expect top 7 form and we're below that so he's no longer performing at the level we should be with the players he has. See where we are come Christmas and if we're in the top half around Europe stick with it. If we're down the bottom half I do think his time will be up sadly. Love what he's trying to do but do feel for it to work in this league requires better players than we will buy.

I think that’s a fair assessment. He needs to improve quickly. Worst start in 16 years now.

I don’t want to throw away the last season and a bit of a rebuild, but we are making the same mistakes. We desperately need to improve defensively to stand a chance of a top 6/7 finish. Am I completely deluded into thinking we have a decent back 4 with Porro, Romero VdV and Udogie?

There’s no one available and we are into this now, improve his coaches maybe?

 

[13VanDerBale13]

I think it will be another bumpy season and will take another couple of transfer windows more but I think we are onto something here

Unless we sign very top quality, it won’t change anything, unless Ange adapts.

 

[ultimateloner]

Just watched the post match interview.
ange said we failed at our basics and were not competitive for this level.
He did not specify what those basics are.

anyone got stats to back this? Duels loss/running stats etc I imagine.

 

[jondy1]

Ange basically threw the players under the bus nothing to do with you then

 

[ultimateloner]

Ange basically threw the players under the bus nothing to do with you then

He didn’t come across that way. He basically said this is the first time he sees the Spursy DNA in full swing; guess that’s naive of him.

 

[rossdapep]

I guess the Brentford and United (first 45) performances just didn't happen then?

 

[matthew.absurdum]

I know a couple guys responded to my post about fragile fan base. I stick to by those words. The reaction and response in itself shows the fragility. Doesn't matter how long you have been supporting spurs. This comes with the package of being a spurs fan. I've supported spurs for over 20 years, and I've been patient through that time.

I appreciate others have supported longer then that, but to complain and moan about it, won't change anything either. I choose to stay optimistic and endure the suffering. That's just how I am as a person and patience is everything for me.

If the good times are going to come, I can see Ange being that man to bring it. This season alone, I've seen major improvements game on game in terms of how we attack, yet we are still a work in progress and not the finished article yet.

That second half showing would have taught Ange alot, and I believe he will adapt. He isn't one to admit to the press when he's got it wrong. For e.g. set pieces issues we faced, he kept saying there's not an issue, yet now we look more reassured at them, which shows he adapted and made tweaks, same with the system and how we have been attacking. He's definitely upset by what's happened and I believe he will adapt and make subs sooner going forward.

Yes as annoying as it is to keep saying "trust the process" this is literally what we need to do and enjoy the ride. If shit goes sideways, then so be it. But I for one won't be doom and gloom about things ever.

I think the set piece issue is a very good point. Not sure why people over interpret what Ange said in the press as this guy for some reason do not reveal everything he does in what he said

 

[coy-spurs1882]

patience guys. trust this project and we may finally win something, probably the Championship

 

[allatsea]

Ange basically threw the players under the bus nothing to do with you then

They deserved to be thrown under a bus if that is what happened. Shocking second half display .

 

[Mattspurs1982]

Why is he like this ffs

Were you tempted to make your subs earlier as the game was turning?

Yeah I could have. But... all these things... are totally irrelevant to me. Substitutions and all those kind of things. If you're not competitive, it doesn't matter what you do, you're not going to get rewards, you don't deserve to win. We didn't deserve on our second-half performance, irrespective of subs or anything else, to get something out of the game. But I think if you do get something out of the game, you're falsely rewarded and I don't want to get falsely rewarded.

This is just utterly ridiculous from Ange. Subs can influence games. Very worrying.

 

[Hotspur33]

What a way to come crashing back down to earth. After a nice little run against, admittedly teams we would be expecting to beat, we serve up a reputation affirming performance like that.
I now, feel as if we are no better off under Ange, than we were under Mourinho or Conte. I now can not trust us to beat ANY Good teams. And we will struggle against poor/average teams who are in good form.

 

[GutBucket]

Defence is our only position where we are full of classy players, if they look shit then it's on the coach (most of the time). Is extra 5-10% possession worth all the quality chances we concede, all that morale boost to all other strikers on the planet? Guys like Welbeck can't wait to play against us, Toney, Tonali and Paqueta probably bet somewhere they will score against us.
It's not all bleak, at least Solanke and Johnson look pretty good.