Manager Watch: Ange Postecoglou

[Impspur1]

If you have Citeh's/RM's/et al squad then fine I guess but this is simply not connected to reality. There's no manifesting outcomes through sheer force of will in professional sports with all the economic and competitive disparities that occur naturally. You also have to use some smarts every now and then when needs be.

This comes across as wilful naivety and self-sabotage tbh.

Yep and sadly if he continues like this it will have one outcome. I so desperately want him to succeed , absolutely love the guy and his philosophy but he has to learn from his mistakes or he’ll be gone

 

[GioW]

Ange's 45th league match in charge.

Klopp's 44th match in charge of Liverpool also ended up with them throwing away a 2 goal lead both at HT and with 15 mins to play away at Bournemouth.

They followed that up with a home game against W ham. Where they dropped points once more.

 

[talkshowhost86]

He's going down the Brendan Rodgers line with some of these comments.

Manage the team FFS.

 

[Impspur1]

What players that he’s brought? Gray and Bergvall?

It’s not unreasonable that he thought the players who had us 2-0 up would be the ones to get back control of the game.

Not when it was clear that 15 mins later they were collapsing, we could see it so not unreasonable to expected out gaffer too.

 

[Danny1]

Far too many are ready to be "Ange out" or declare that he won't win anything.

You know what?

Our fan base deserves fuck all.

Look at Liverpool.

When they had set backs and bad days under Klopp hardly any of them doubted him or asked for him to go or made bold predictions. They mostly got behind him and stated he was the second coming.

That makes a difference because ot ensures unnecessary unrest doesn't build.

Far too many of us pay too much attention to rival pundits and Rory Jennings and that's like that.

Those rivals want Spurs to fail so of course they will help to feed the narrative that "this coach isn't good enough".

For once, we need to be patient, brave and not bite. Wait to see.

If we are still doing this later in this season and get knocked out of the cups then perhaps its mot meant to be but there's a lot of self sabotage because we want to rip things up quickly.

Far too many people want to be 'right' instead of just going a long for the ride.

Another bad second half shouldn't have us reaching for the panic button.

We need to get better at what's holding us back (Ange too).

Only time, patience and a little faith can do that.

PIN…THIS…POST

 

[YB123]

Whether it’s Ange or someone else, this is who we are as a club. Mentally WEAK.

And it comes from the top like most most businesses I may add. Mr Levy didnt include winning silverware in his top 3 achievements as Spurs Chairman. That should tell you everything you need to know.

I've kind of stopped caring too much about the league to be honest because we get to top4 and dont capitalise and kick on.

So i'm praying Ange can mastermind, or fluke a cup win.

 

[Misfit]

If certain players keep letting him down (need to learn/fix the mistakes etc) then he needs to drop them. Simple as. End of. I'd really rather not watch yet another group of players undergo some kind of personal growth therapy at the expense of this club.

Much rather go through the same aches and pains with players gaining experience or with a potential upside tbh.

 

[rossdapep]

He's going down the Brendan Rodgers line with some of these comments.

Manage the team FFS.

What he tells the media and the team are 2 separate things FFS

 

[YB123]

If certain players keep letting him down (need to learn/fix the mistakes etc) then he needs to drop them. Simple as. End of. I'd really rather not watch yet another group of players undergo some kind of personal growth therapy at the expense of this club.

Much rather go through the same aches and pains with players gaining experience or with a potential upside tbh.

Agree. Its glaringly obvious Romero's head has been turned by Madrid.

Should be dropped for Dragusin.

 

[Mr Pink]

Exactly.

I can forgive Udogie ( age) his mistake led to Brighton's crowd being able to get up for it.

But we have a lot of older heads who lose their cool.

Romero flying about and not holding his position.

Maddison who completely disappears.

Werner was invisible in the second half.

Bentancur struggled although, he probably needed help.

One thing I will say is, perhaps Ange looked at the bench and felt that of he changes it too soon only Moore can be used as an attacking weapon.

I would have taken Maddison and Werner off and brought on Bissouma and Sarr - switching Johnson to the left and Deki on the right, that would have made us hard to play through

But I suppose if you do that, you only have Moore as an attacking option to change approach back to all out attack.

Having Odobert, Son and Richy available and I'm sure Ange would have made a changer much sooner.

I actually think a lot is being made of the lack of subs. Yes they should of come eaelier but what disappointed me is why we didnt raise our levels to counter their increased tempo and workrate.

We just didnt respond and thats not acceptable.


Id love to see Ange calling over one of the senior lads and having a go to raise the levels.

Do someting other than standing there and just hoping.

 

[Tucker]

He's going down the Brendan Rodgers line with some of these comments.

Manage the team FFS.

What a complete load of bollocks.

 

[Johnny J]

What a complete load of bollocks.

You mean what Ange said?

 

[marion52]

You all know that to change Brighton’s mentality they had 1 sub and everyone played with more effort and determination.
This is what Ange wants from our players, not to stop at half time because we are up 2-0.
I agree with those who say we need a leader, we don’t have one. No one gees up the players.
He’s trying to build a young team but maybe we need an older, experienced head in the team?
Madders just isn’t that type.

 

[Tucker]

You mean what Ange said?

lol no. People are really going off the deep end tonight and making themselves look very silly.

Everyone needs to relax.

 

[Thenewcat]

Romero can't be bothered to mark Wellbeck is going to be cured by subs?

Point in the direction of where I said anything of the kind? I’ve said the players weren’t good enough but I want to see ange taking responsibility for his own mistakes. You’re basically repeating his nonsense that subs are pointless if players don’t play well

 

[arunspurs]

Far too many are ready to be "Ange out" or declare that he won't win anything.

You know what?

Our fan base deserves fuck all.

Look at Liverpool.

When they had set backs and bad days under Klopp hardly any of them doubted him or asked for him to go or made bold predictions. They mostly got behind him and stated he was the second coming.

That makes a difference because ot ensures unnecessary unrest doesn't build.

Far too many of us pay too much attention to rival pundits and Rory Jennings and that's like that.

Those rivals want Spurs to fail so of course they will help to feed the narrative that "this coach isn't good enough".

For once, we need to be patient, brave and not bite. Wait to see.

If we are still doing this later in this season and get knocked out of the cups then perhaps its mot meant to be but there's a lot of self sabotage because we want to rip things up quickly.

Far too many people want to be 'right' instead of just going a long for the ride.

Another bad second half shouldn't have us reaching for the panic button.

We need to get better at what's holding us back (Ange too).

Only time, patience and a little faith can do that.

Not everyone going to be Klopp. Just because you claim Ange reign is going to be like Klopp , it’s not going to end up that way. Klopp came in to PL job with a higher credibility . That deserves its own faith, its own patience

Ange has not entered Spurs job at same level. Ange is like the level Klopp was at when he got the Dortmund job after Mainz stay.

I get it . You want to be half glass full - go for it. But don’t generalize your opinion to other Spurs fan talking about what they deserve & don’t deserve.

Ange has to learn fast if he wants to turn this. He has to show he can learn. Till date we are waiting to see that. Not all his fault - agreed. But we cannot be naive & then call it as some weird process.

 

[YB123]

lol no. People are really going off the deep end tonight and making themselves look very silly.

Everyone needs to relax.

I agree with you BUT he's one comment regarding making substitutions earlier is absolutely ridiculous and baffling.

 

[talkshowhost86]

What he tells the media and the team are 2 separate things FFS

I agree

But what he's telling the team clearly isn't good so when you then make those comments in public it's embarrassing.

He needs to adapt.

But I don't think he will.

 

[For the love of Spurs]

I agree

But what he's telling the team clearly isn't good so when you then make those comments in public it's embarrassing.

He needs to adapt.

But I don't think he will.

All I hear at this club with managers is ‘he needs to adapt’. Poch, Jose, Conte and so on.

How about the club either provide much higher quality footballers if they want short term results or if not accept it’s going to be a 3-5 year grind getting young players to the level needed.

How about the club adapt.

 

[thehipster]

Okay…..so there are some things to iron out here.
Some fans want a full-strength team each game…..and others like to see rotation.
If we play the game the way Ange wants to….then we need to rotate players regularly.
The speed we play at is unsustainable for 3 games a week for most players.

Udgoie was the perfect example today. Implicated in all three of their goals and he was clearly a yard off the pace.
Why Ange didn’t bring on Spence (unless he was carrying an injury) was really beyond me.

If any of our players are a yard off the pace…..our pressing game and our flow moving forward falters.
I really LOVE our style of play. It’s breathtaking. What entertainment!! Beautiful to watch…and I don’t want to give it up.
However, Ange has to become far more savvy with how he rotates players and brings on earlier substitutes.

And Daniel Levy needs to bloody well open his wallet wider…..because he’s left Ange in that position where the style of football is incredible…..yet not quite sustainable with the squad quality we’ve got.
In a season’s time…..with 3 more quality additions and the youngsters with a season’s experience, then yes….we’re well placed.
But dear god, I really really hope Ange makes better (and earlier) substitutions than he did today. Sarr and Bissouma didn’t turn the game our way in the slightest.

Our pressing game collapsed in the second half…..and consequently we gave them time on the ball.
They got one goal, lifted their spirits, lifted the crowd, got a second goal…..and their confidence was set.
All momentum was with Brighton.
That’s when Ange needed to make a change. And get some instructions on!!

A really disappointing afternoon. But Brighton are good on their patch. They were always going to come back at some stage.

We’re growing. We’re learning.
But jeez…..Ange (I love you man) but you‘ve got to keep adapting yourself.
If we can’t sustain that high tempo game for 90 minutes - have some kind of call ‘Geronimo‘ when the team drops deeper to defend for a period of 10 minutes to hold a game.
The team can catch their breathe, re-evaluate on the pitch, maybe make a substitution, and get some instructions on the pitch.
And then another call…..to go full-speed again ‘Gonzales’
That way there isn’t a relentless pace all 90 minutes.

I know that won’t always work out, practically.
But having two speeds means the players can differentiate between the two….and in comparison it’s easier to know when you’re faltering in one of those speeds.

Trying to go 100 mph for a full 90 is naive in the Premier League.
But I would love us to try it for 70-75 and have a Plan B for the rest. And for a rest.

Come on Ange. You’re our man, for sure.
Please find a way to make our style of play more sustainable for 90+ minutes.