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Manager Watch: Ange Postecoglou

sundanceyid10

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First time a loss has got to me this season. Losses are one thing but the manner of them another. Today was a complete reversion to worst Spurs traits we've all become accustomed to in recent decades.

Leaves a bitter taste knowing that still lurks and can suddenly manifest out of nowhere.

Rome wasn't built in a day I guess.
We need a Roy Keane type player for decades (as much as I disliked him at times) someone who is very vocal and digs in and can get nasty if need be, a leader on the pitch. It really is amazing how Spurs soft touch exists through so many changes of mangers and players.
 

Dwallace

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Nah , I think the players are being set up for failure with these tactics. How often now have we looked great in the first half and then tired in the second and lost the game?
The manager can only take so much blame we have clear style of play like City or Liverpool and if our levels drop its down to not taking chances or managing changes in momentum. Would a Man City side with Dias, Rodri, Walker or Gundogan lose a game after conceding straight after half time? Probably not because the players would manage the game properly. More experienced leaders please.
 

midoshairband

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Such BS. It’s clear we have tweaked, improved our system. We can’t keep coming back to this every time we don’t win. It’s such a lazy argument and, for once, the onus should be on the players to be professional.

you can disagree, but please don't call my opinion BS.

If you cared to converse rather than insult, I could have told you that I was referencing his in game managent and inability to react to the changing circumstances of a game.
 

Whitey

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You can’t panic and make changes as soon as the second half has kicked off. Come on.
Well you obviously can't wait? Ange has just called players energy out..... Well if the players look over to the manger and see his lack of energy and aloofness on the touch line..... maybe it seeps onto the pitch. Making a substitution when you've conceded is not panicking!
 

fishhhandaricecake

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Which is why my dread for the last 8 or so months has been that his entire philosophy has a ceiling and the Premier League is above that ceiling. If we can't sustain his ideal game for 90 minutes week in week out then we have to have an alternative approach that we can fall back to, depending on the state of the game. Even if it's just making subs earlier he has to do something. Standing there with his hands in his pockets, shaking his head, as the game slips away is not the answer.
Fair comments
 

nedley

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Jul 28, 2006
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Still very much Ange in.

I'll be reviewing that come Xmas. We are simply not improving defensively and in other aspects of our game.

Again i think he's been hamstrung (voluntarily or unvoluntarily is irrelevent) but a sub par incoming transfer window.

We find ourselves in a position where we are showing reluctance in bringing on a 17 year old kid who is already miles better than for Werner. A player that simply should not be starting. End of.

This is clearly Ange's biggest ever challenge. He'll sink or swim shortly.
 

TC18

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I wouldn’t worry. You’ll change your mind if we win the next game.
Oh really will I?

I will tell you now, this manager will win us nothing. A year in and we are inconsistent and still as weak mentally. We will no doubt play some good football as we did against Utd, but what’s the point if you can’t manage a game when you’re 2-0 up and just watch the team capitulate with you’re hand in your pockets.

Let’s see how long it’ll take to change you’re mind..
 

funkycoldmedina

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First half was once again. superb.

But Ange really needs to buck him his ideas when the game starts to change.

Sometimes players alone can't do it.

That's why he needs to be much more proactive when things start to change.

You can't sit and expect it to work itself at this level. PL crowds get well behind their team when they see light and it adds an extra man.

You need to find a way to take the sting out of that momentum because it won't work on its own.
I just don't think we have the players to do that. We either have to put up with this till Gray and maybe Bergvall fulfil their potential or go big in a transfer window. Sarr and Bissouma are not the controlling midfielder types.
 

JayB

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His stubbornness will be his undoing. I appreciate the attacking intent but he needs to learn that there are times to take the sting out of the game, or to make proactive subs when the tide has turned against you.

He’s started to demonstrate a modicum of flexibility in terms of his use of the fullbacks and positioning of our attacking players. Let’s see if he can learn and adapt in other respects.

I have my doubts but I hope he’ll prove me wrong.
 

fishhhandaricecake

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The system, style of play, whatever you want to call it, relies on being on the top of our game every minute of every game. Which just isn’t realistic.
Klopp's Liverpool to an extent were like that but I get where you're coming from, to play with that level of intensity and positional correctness due to such an extreme constant high line is extremely hard to do, especially without Man.City level cheat code players.
 

RuskyM

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This "he's just standing there with his hands in his pockets doing nothing!" complaint is the most fucking cleanshirt-grasping-at-straws argument I've ever read. Have you ever seen Carlo Ancelotti? Hardly a jackrabbit, is he?
 

Oh Teddy Teddy

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Oh really will I?

I will tell you now, this manager will win us nothing. A year in and we are inconsistent and still as weak mentally. We will no doubt play some good football as we did against Utd, but what’s the point if you can’t manage a game when you’re 2-0 up and just watch the team capitulate with you’re hand in your pockets.

Let’s see how long it’ll take to change you’re mind..

Don’t know what else to tell you, mate. But I won’t be changing my mind for a while; I’m prepared to back this guy because I know, as we all do, that if we sack him now or in the near future, we’ll be writing the same things in 18 months’ time.

At least I can see green shoots under this guy. Not without its flaws but, like you say, it’s only a year in.
 
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nedley

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I’m not sure he had much on the bench to do that tbh.

I also think that whilst he wants to win every single game, he also has an eye on the longer term.
He's brave in that case.

Because the long term he may not get.
 

Rout-Ledge

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I think part of the problem Is that he doesn’t really have a confidante on the touch line who can help him with the decisions and shake him out of this weird inertia. He always seems so isolated.
 

sundanceyid10

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Oh really will I?

I will tell you now, this manager will win us nothing. A year in and we are inconsistent and still as weak mentally. We will no doubt play some good football as we did against Utd, but what’s the point if you can’t manage a game when you’re 2-0 up and just watch the team capitulate with you’re hand in your pockets.

Let’s see how long it’ll take to change you’re mind..
We won’t win anything under Levy anyway, we haven’t in decades!
 

fishhhandaricecake

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First half was once again. superb.

But Ange really needs to buck him his ideas when the game starts to change.

Sometimes players alone can't do it.

That's why he needs to be much more proactive when things start to change.

You can't sit and expect it to work itself at this level. PL crowds get well behind their team when they see light and it adds an extra man.

You need to find a way to take the sting out of that momentum because it won't work on its own.
Spot on and hopefully he learns this otherwise we won't win anything, certainly more positives today in the 1st half, our attacking play has really improved lately, issue is if and when we concede a goal we completely collapse.

Happened against Leicester and thankfully against Man.U Vicario saved Zirkzee's effort and Garnacho hit the post not the back of the net as if either of those had gone in to make it 1-2 another collapse could've been on the cards like against Newcastle and Leicester.

The team needs to learn and grow but so does Ange.
 

southlondonyiddo

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Really honest interview

“His most disappointing defeat since he’s been here”

“We didn’t compete 2nd half, nothing to do with tactics”

Exactly what the Brighton manager said - they started to compete and won their individual battles…
 
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