Manager Watch: Ange Postecoglou

[Trix]

This is why the players union have to take the lead. A manager can lose their job easily and so is incentivised to play a small number of players continually (e.g Kane). If the players get the law changed so they can only play a set number of club games and a set number of international games, alongside a guaranteed minimum time off each season...then the manager has no choice but to rotate effectively and the club would have to keep larger squads to accommodate (creating more employment to boot).

Clubs won't vote for that, international federations won't vote for that and managers would be reluctant. It has to come from the players and to force it through, the strike threat has to be real. I hope they do, their workloads are insane and as son says, the quality on the pitch inevitably drops.

Do you reckon they'd all be willing to take pay cuts to reflect playing less games?

 

[Ledley's Right Foot]

Do you reckon they'd all be willing to take pay cuts to reflect playing less games?

Unlikely but the market determines their pay. If they want change, something has to give.

Edit: in addition, I imagine the number of games they would be expected to play has increased since many signed their contracts (with European changes and club World cup) and so they've basically had a pay cut anyway.

 

[mil1lion]

It's very difficult to decide when to rotate especially if in the Champions League. I think we need to ideally have 18 players who are all very much first team calibre, then about 7 prospects. That way the prospects have good solid senior pros around them. I don't really know the answer to stop what happened against Coventry though. Maybe it was just too many changes to the team. Maybe we need to only make up to 6 changes at a given time but just rotate between each position. So for tonight Romero is suspended, does VdV have a 3 game week? Then do we play Romero 3 games next week and rest VdV in Europe? That's maybe an example where we could rotate because Dragusin alongside either of them should be enough for those Europa games.

 

[Trix]

Unlikely but the market determines their pay. If they want change, something has to give.

Edit: in addition, I imagine the number of games they would be expected to play has increased since many signed their contracts (with European changes and club World cup) and so they've basically had a pay cut anyway.

It's only increased because their managers/clubs are picking them for more games.

 

[Ledley's Right Foot]

It's only increased because their managers/clubs are picking them for more games.

Agree 100% that's on the managers/clubs. But there are also more potential games for them to be picked to pla in.

It's crazy, I honestly don't know how they can train and stay focused for so much of the year. Regardless of their pay and the incentives for them to do so, bodies can only take so much training each year before they break.

 

[Albertbarich]

Zero sympathy for any of them with this game volume arguments.

The clubs are just greedy, they would ditch the league and possibly the FA CUP tomorrow if they could get away with it, and do it without a thought for the pyramid, all the while they go on these pre and post season tours and moan without a hint of irony.

The leagues , fifa , uefa etc all just want their bit of pie and keep pushing more and more.

And the players moan whilst being insanely overpaid and to hear Rodri going on about welfare and did he mention unions? As he plays for a sports washing stain of a club is hilarious.

They all want their own way whilst fleecing as much from fans as possible. It’s a seedy grubby culture that have festered so now they can lie in it because none of them will accept taking a pay cut or drop in revenue to fix it.

 

[Johnny J]

Had a look at some stats today for PL pressing, we have been on fire so far this season. Data only went back to 17/18, interesting to see if we keep up this pace for the whole season
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Love to see this.

 

[robertgoulet]

Do you reckon they'd all be willing to take pay cuts to reflect playing less games?

This is the exact conversation that the pro sports leagues in America are having. MLB, NBA and NHL players saying they play too many games. OK then you're taking a paycut commensurate with the % of games cut, right?

And with NFL it's the owners wanting to add more games to the schedule and the players saying no (until they see how much more money goes into their pockets).

 

[chas vs dave]

Watching him in the pre match build up, big ange isnt actually that big

 

[KingNothing]

Watching him in the pre match build up, big ange isnt actually that big

I might be wrong, but I believe they refer to a different kind of magnitude

 

[chas vs dave]

I might be wrong, but I believe they refer to a different kind of magnitude

Hes looking a lot trimmer.

 

[muppetman]

Do you reckon they'd all be willing to take pay cuts to reflect playing less games?

I’m not sure pay has gone up for players due to more games.

More that the PL has increased in value year on year.

 

[Shanks]

Agree 100% that's on the managers/clubs. But there are also more potential games for them to be picked to pla in.

It's crazy, I honestly don't know how they can train and stay focused for so much of the year. Regardless of their pay and the incentives for them to do so, bodies can only take so much training each year before they break.

1. Paid a fortune
2. Playing football with their mates as a job.
3. Very short days compared to normal.
4. Fed, watered, pampered
5. Physios, medics and et all to maintain fitness.
6. Great family/work life balance
7. Also gets yoy out the house away from nagging wife at weekends
8. Fame

 

[PaulThurston]

Watching him in the pre match build up, big ange isnt actually that big

You wait till they inflate him fully

 

[Timbo Tottenham]

1. Paid a fortune
2. Playing football with their mates as a job.
3. Very short days compared to normal.
4. Fed, watered, pampered
5. Physios, medics and et all to maintain fitness.
6. Great family/work life balance
7. Also gets yoy out the house away from nagging wife at weekends
8. Fame

Number 8 would put me right off. I’d play my whole career in a mask, like when Sonny did and you couldn’t tell it was him

 

[Young Nasty Man]

Ya. I’m back here again to seek all the people who were complaining about Ange - probably for the next few matches im gonna be lurking here as if I am A&C targeting people to hit with a stick.

I don’t care about how tough the opponent is. Points are points. This is the type of momentum you build and can’t stop once caught.

One word for this result: Mate.

 

[fishhhandaricecake]

"When success comes and it will come, it will be glorious because it'll be exactly the way and the style the club wants it"

If he wins us an FA Cup, EL or one day dare to dream a league title, this quote will go down in the echos of Spurs history like the great Bill Nic, Blanchflower quotes etc.

I hope everyone has enough patience and gumption to let this play out, I hope the next 2 windows we go up a level in terms of backing Ange and when success comes and it will... it will be bloody glorious, it'll mean more for us to win one big trophy playing this way and doing it fairly than all of the trophies Chelsea, City etc have bought over the last 10-20 years combined.

Keep believing and COYS.

In Ange we trust.

Tonight summed this up.

Down to 10 men after 5 minutes, we didn’t drop back to the edge of our box, we kept a high line, we kept pressing, we kept passing, we kept attacking, yes we could’ve conceded 1 or 2 but we could’ve scored a few more also and we ultimately won 3-0, playing our football the Tottenham way, to dare is to do.

A glorious 10 men victory, very enjoyable.

Have a good evening one and all.

 

[timmytime]

I am 150 pages into Ange's style of football by the wonderful Vince Rugari and cannot recommend it enough to fellow spurs fans. It is time to get excited. We have a special manager at our club.

 

[ajspurs]

Tonight summed this up.

Down to 10 men after 5 minutes, we didn’t drop back to the edge of our box, we kept a high line, we kept pressing, we kept passing, we kept attacking, yes we could’ve conceded 1 or 2 but we could’ve scored a few more also and we ultimately won 3-0, playing our football the Tottenham way, to dare is to do.

A glorious 10 men victory, very enjoyable.

Have a good evening one and all.

This is why the co-commentator (I know I know a commentator comment) was annoying me throughout. She was adamant in repeatedly knocking our approach and praising Qarabag.

I agree with you though. I wasn't greatly encouraged by some of the space we were seemingly happy to afford throughout, but down to 10 men really early and winning 3-0, scoring all goes after the dismissal is a great achievement. As you say we could have conceded a few but we also could have scored a few more too.

 

[McFlash]

Hes looking a lot trimmer.

I was thinking that.
Maybe he's seen what he looks like on EAFC and wants to be like that?