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Man City [Now Not] Banned From UCL For 2 years

Lighty64

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that decision not to ban them will be the end of football. if you don't have owners that can throw billions at their team then the only hope of competing is getting lucky ala Leicester. FFP will go out the window City will go about it as they have the last 12 years, Chelsea will go about it like the last 17 years, and clubs like Liverpool, Man U who have a historic history will be winning most of the domestic trophies for the next god knows how many years.

if Newcastle gets taken over within the next 5 seasons the top 5 will be the same top 5 for many years to come, just will never know the final positions.

us we will be fighting a battle with Arsenal to who finishes above who each season and hope to get lucky to finish in the top 4. I doubt either club will ever get taken over, as Kronke uses Arsenal to fund his main enjoyment at home in the USA, and no person will ever buy us at the value ENIC have put on our heads, and then invest the money that will be needed to catch them up when there are plenty of clubs they could buy like Newcastle at a cost so much lower and still spend 2b and be better off
 

Cavehillspur

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Jan 28, 2011
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that decision not to ban them will be the end of football. if you don't have owners that can throw billions at their team then the only hope of competing is getting lucky ala Leicester. FFP will go out the window City will go about it as they have the last 12 years, Chelsea will go about it like the last 17 years, and clubs like Liverpool, Man U who have a historic history will be winning most of the domestic trophies for the next god knows how many years.

if Newcastle gets taken over within the next 5 seasons the top 5 will be the same top 5 for many years to come, just will never know the final positions.

us we will be fighting a battle with Arsenal to who finishes above who each season and hope to get lucky to finish in the top 4. I doubt either club will ever get taken over, as Kronke uses Arsenal to fund his main enjoyment at home in the USA, and no person will ever buy us at the value ENIC have put on our heads, and then invest the money that will be needed to catch them up when there are plenty of clubs they could buy like Newcastle at a cost so much lower and still spend 2b and be better off
Exciting times ahead....
 

ItsBoris

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Jan 18, 2011
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The source of the money is always a consideration though whether it be money laundering or exploitation.

Isn't that more the responsibility of governments than Uefa? Illegal money laundering should be investigated by authorities.

As for exploitation - well that's a slippery and hypocritical slope. Many of our luxuries after all are made in disgustingly exploitative situations. The first world has just outsourced its exploitation. If the money used is legally obtained and being legally invested in a business in the UK, then it really ought to be the owner's prerogative how to run and invest in their business (assuming it's abiding by the law).
 

Japhet

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Aug 30, 2010
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Isn't that more the responsibility of governments than Uefa? Illegal money laundering should be investigated by authorities.

As for exploitation - well that's a slippery and hypocritical slope. Many of our luxuries after all are made in disgustingly exploitative situations. The first world has just outsourced its exploitation. If the money used is legally obtained and being legally invested in a business in the UK, then it really ought to be the owner's prerogative how to run and invest in their business (assuming it's abiding by the law).

That's true, but we might as well do away with due dilligence if we're not going to flag up where some of the 'investment' is coming from. We all know that giving UEFA or FIFA any say in that is a complete waste of time though since it would be putting the fox in charge of the hen house.
 

rossdapep

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Aug 25, 2011
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that decision not to ban them will be the end of football. if you don't have owners that can throw billions at their team then the only hope of competing is getting lucky ala Leicester. FFP will go out the window City will go about it as they have the last 12 years, Chelsea will go about it like the last 17 years, and clubs like Liverpool, Man U who have a historic history will be winning most of the domestic trophies for the next god knows how many years.

if Newcastle gets taken over within the next 5 seasons the top 5 will be the same top 5 for many years to come, just will never know the final positions.

us we will be fighting a battle with Arsenal to who finishes above who each season and hope to get lucky to finish in the top 4. I doubt either club will ever get taken over, as Kronke uses Arsenal to fund his main enjoyment at home in the USA, and no person will ever buy us at the value ENIC have put on our heads, and then invest the money that will be needed to catch them up when there are plenty of clubs they could buy like Newcastle at a cost so much lower and still spend 2b and be better off
It ends with a European Super League
 

TheRevolution

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Nov 25, 2018
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It ends with a European Super League

Yep, UCL broadcasters will be looking at the serious revenue they're missing out on the longer clubs like Arsenal and United continue to struggle on the pitch. They wouldn't even care about killing the domestic game as there is so much money to be made in Asia and America that they wouldn't need traditional fans of those clubs anymore.

This decision has given powerful clubs the greenlight to walk all over UEFA.
 

rossdapep

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Aug 25, 2011
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Yep, UCL broadcasters will be looking at the serious revenue they're missing out on the longer clubs like Arsenal and United continue to struggle on the pitch. They wouldn't even care about killing the domestic game as there is so much money to be made in Asia and America that they wouldn't need traditional fans of those clubs anymore.

This decision has given powerful clubs the greenlight to walk all over UEFA.
To be honest if it does go that way I hope we stay out of it (unlikely we'll get invited anyway).

I'd like to think the club stays close to its community and I think staying domestic we would see a lot more entertainment. Obviously our chances of success would increase massively but that wouldn't be the reason I'd want us to stay. I reckon it'd be more like the Championship but with better quality. A lot more unpredictability and I think a lot of real fans would buy into it much more.

Whilst the Super League would become a bit monotone. Same clubs facing off against each other, same faces, similar outcomes and not to mention all the globe trotting.

Anyway, I'm getting a bit carried away..
 

TheRevolution

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To be honest if it does go that way I hope we stay out of it (unlikely we'll get invited anyway).

I'd like to think the club stays close to its community and I think staying domestic we would see a lot more entertainment. Obviously our chances of success would increase massively but that wouldn't be the reason I'd want us to stay. I reckon it'd be more like the Championship but with better quality. A lot more unpredictability and I think a lot of real fans would buy into it much more.

Whilst the Super League would become a bit monotone. Same clubs facing off against each other, same faces, similar outcomes and not to mention all the globe trotting.

Anyway, I'm getting a bit carried away..

I agree completely, would actually love those clubs to fuck off and leave us with a more competitive league.

The thing I find funny about the idea of a super league is that they will eventually run into the same problems again. Clubs like Bayern, Juventus, Barca, Madrid are completely dominant in their leagues, it's why they have loads of fans. If you put all of them into one league together they things will balance out in a couple of years. There will likely be a top 3 or 4 who continue to dominate and then clubs like Arsenal or Roma will just become the Sunderlands of that league because they will be distinctly average compared to other clubs. The top clubs in the super league will then look back across at the top premier league clubs (who will be gaining more fans because they are now dominating) and will then look to form another super duper league without the Arsenals who have become average cannon fodder.
 

tototoner

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garyhopkins

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So they did cheat. UEFA fucked it up.
Yeah, you can literally cheat and pray that no-one notices for 5 years by which time it's too late to convict you.

Also, if you are able to recommend 2 of the 3 members of the CAS panel that are going to investigate you then there is a very good chance that they will vote 2-1 in your favor.

It also helps if 1 of those 2 recommendations works for a company where he headed a Middle East department that worked with the companies involved in all the deceit.

And Pep wanted an apology....uhmm.
 

Dillspur

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Also, if you are able to recommend 2 of the 3 members of the CAS panel that are going to investigate you then there is a very good chance that they will vote 2-1 in your favor.

I've seen this mentioned a couple of times on here, is it actually true? Is it referenced anywhere (and forgive me for this) more legitimate?
 

garyhopkins

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I've seen this mentioned a couple of times on here, is it actually true? Is it referenced anywhere (and forgive me for this) more legitimate?
The Guardian reported that....

The Cas judgment also contains the extraordinary revelation that the panel’s chairman, Rui Botica Santos, a Portuguese lawyer, was recommended by City. Cas rules for appeals state that each party chooses one arbitrator, then the chairman is selected by the chairman of Cas’s own appeals arbitration division. No explanation has yet been given for why City suggested the chairman for this case, although the judgment notes that Uefa did not object.
Some European sports lawyers, speaking to the Guardian, have questioned the independence of the panel member nominated by City, Andrew McDougall QC, a partner in the international law firm White and Case. McDougall was chair of his firm’s operations council for Europe, the Middle East and Africa, from 2016-2018, which includes an office in Abu Dhabi. That office lists Etisalat as a client, and the Abu Dhabi airline Etihad, whose sponsorships were also central to the case, as well as several Abu Dhabi state enterprises.
The Cas rules state that “arbitrators must be independent, [having] no particular connection with any of the parties”. There is no suggestion of actual bias on the part of either of City’s nominated arbitrators.
 
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