Match Threads Liverpool vs Spurs

[TonyS]

I hate saying this, but I'm hoping to see a post that Ange is sacked. It's probably borne out of hoping against hope, that someone else, God only knows who, can salvage something from this season and some fresh ideas will lead to something. It's the 93/94 season all over.

 

[aliyid]

I agree with some of this but every team we play know how to play against us.

80% of the goals we concede are due to the same mistakes and that most of our team is out of position.

we do sometimes get it right and manage to out score a team but even when we get some players back we will continue to throw away goals and games due to the same mistakes.

There never seem to be any point where this manager goes maybe we should look at this.

We may get the odd perfect game when it all comes together but as this season shows from the start it rarely happens even without the injuries.

Agreed, the one part I'm not sure on is how much of being out of position and mistakes are due to the number of first team players being out. We've seen Dragusins distribution isn't up to scratch, Archie is putting in a hell of a shift but he frequently plays people onside (can't fault the guy, he's not a defender).

When we were playing with both first choice CB's we were very solid defensively. We actually had the 3rd best defensive record in the league over the first 12 games and we'd scored the most goals with only Arsenal & Liverpool conceding less than us (added the stats in the spoiler below)

Spoiler: League table from GW1 to GW12

But then if you take from GW 13 up to today we're now one of the worst. Missing four of our back five for such a long / busy period of the season is huge and it's having a massive impact on our ability to keep clean sheets

Spoiler: League table from GW13 to GW24

 

[rossdapep]

Got as much bottle as Jamie Carragher who calls people up when they say something negative about him.

 

[RuskyM]

I don’t think Carragher is right. It’s just lazy attention bait journalism, because the Spurs that lost that game yesterday is different to the Spurs that gave up against Chelsea in 2022 or the one that didn’t turn up in the CL Final in 2019 or the one that got battered by Chelsea in 2012. It’s lazy self-fulfilling nonsense that ignores any context in favour of going for easy below the belt punches. We don’t win things because other teams are better: nothing to do with an aura or a curse or anything like that.

 

[Goobers]

I agree with Ali Gold's piece this morning - hearing Jamie Redknapp talk about the performance being amongst the most gutless was very rich from the previous captain that oversaw some of the worst performances I have ever seen from Spurs. The cheek of it is unreal. The gobshite.

 

[rossdapep]

Yeh Dawson's lack of his own opinion and just following what the other panelists say is why he's not the main pundit. Carragher and Neville, Keane Wrighty although can annoy at least they give their opinion regardless of if it will give them grief. Dawson just followed Redknapp and Carra. Doesn't really matter I guess but watching him just follow each game is boring.

Yeah he's definitely 'in his shell" a bit, so to speak.

There was a moment he did try to day something but spitty mcspittison just shouted the loudest.

It's got to be quite difficult to go into that setting and make your point without Carragher or Neville shouting over you because they are the "main men".

Just the other week Strurridge was trying to explain Alexander-Arnolds situation (because Sturrudge is mates with his agent) but Carragher was scoffing at him and wouldn't let him talk.

Dawson was probably irritated when Carragher said "when do spurs ever win a big game" but didn't have the confidence to speak up and diminish it.

Carragher would definitely so the same if there was a reverse.

 

[rossdapep]

I agree with Ali Gold's piece this morning - hearing Jamie Redknapp talk about the performance being amongst the most gutless was very rich from the previous captain that oversaw some of the worst performances I have ever seen from Spurs. The cheek of it is unreal. The gobshite.

All scouses and ex-Liverpool are gobshites.

Out of a group of 6 friends on WhatsApp, there's 2 United fans, Spurs fan, Liverpool fan, Huddersfield fan and a Newcastle fan.

Guess which one gets the most defensive and offensive when you say anything negative about their club?

It's a necessity of being associated to that club.

 

[XIIIMPC]

I don’t think Carragher is right. It’s just lazy attention bait journalism, because the Spurs that lost that game yesterday is different to the Spurs that gave up against Chelsea in 2022 or the one that didn’t turn up in the CL Final in 2019 or the one that got battered by Chelsea in 2012. It’s lazy self-fulfilling nonsense that ignores any context in favour of going for easy below the belt punches. We don’t win things because other teams are better: nothing to do with an aura or a curse or anything like that.

Exactly.

People have linked our FA Cup Semi loss to Man Utd in 2018 to losing to Everton at the same stage in 1995. It's superstitious fuckin nonsense.

 

[felmani26]

Yeah he's definitely 'in his shell" a bit, so to speak.

There was a moment he did try to day something but spitty mcspittison just shouted the loudest.

It's got to be quite difficult to go into that setting and make your point without Carragher or Neville shouting over you because they are the "main men".

Just the other week Strurridge was trying to explain Alexander-Arnolds situation (because Sturrudge is mates with his agent) but Carragher was scoffing at him and wouldn't let him talk.

Dawson was probably irritated when Carragher said "when do spurs ever win a big game" but didn't have the confidence to speak up and diminish it.

Carragher would definitely so the same if there was a reverse.

Come on, Carragher's message resonates hugely because it's accurate and doesn't sugar coat it for public consumption.

Funny how when he was lauded when waxing lyrical over us with Poch and identifying the real issue at the club namely the baord/Levy.

 

[XIIIMPC]

Come on, Carragher's message resonates hugely because it's accurate and doesn't sugar coat it for public consumption.

Funny how when he was lauded when waxing lyrical over us with Poch and identifying the real issue at the club namely the baord/Levy.

Speaking aggressively, passionately, and without subtlety is not the same as being "accurate". This is the same as Man Utd fans who laud Roy Keane for "telling it like it is" - he is often lacking in any kind of moderation to his views, so it just became unobstructed aggression and passion without being a particularly good point. It becomes like a cathartic release to angry fans. They want to hear irrational, angry rants because that's how they're feeling right now and it legitimizes them.

There's clearly value in that, hence why they continue to be employed, but it's not rational or sensible or anything that should be given any credibility outside of the moment.

 

[worcestersauce]

What are the excuses for putting in that performance against Everton, Leicester, Ipswich, Palace... ?

There is enough logic and I can see far more solid arguments why Ange is not up to it than it is to other circumstances...

Now what do they all have in common other than massive injury hit and 3 days rest against 7.
They weren't great performances and I was raging after the Ipswich game but we'd have won them with a poor performance and a full squad.

 

[southlondonyiddo]

I agree with Ali Gold's piece this morning - hearing Jamie Redknapp talk about the performance being amongst the most gutless was very rich from the previous captain that oversaw some of the worst performances I have ever seen from Spurs. The cheek of it is unreal. The gobshite.

That **** redknapp spent his entire career at spurs on the centre circle fixing his hair. Cheeky fucker!

 

[Westmorlandspur]

Yes, but ridiculousy that is deemed off target whereas a half hit poke which rolls to the goalkeeper is counted

Precisely, so why take any notice of such stats. I don’t need stats to tell me we hardly had an attack.
Being honest, did not most Spurs fans half expect a game and result like this.
I don’t need to keep watching Ange shaking his head. It’s as if he is saying…I’ve told them what to do and they can’t do it.
Please don’t start Sonny on Sunday. It’s not good to see him going down the pan.

 

[felmani26]

Speaking aggressively, passionately, and without subtlety is not the same as being "accurate". This is the same as Man Utd fans who laud Roy Keane for "telling it like it is" - he is often lacking in any kind of moderation to his views, so it just became unobstructed aggression and passion without being a particularly good point. It becomes like a cathartic release to angry fans. They want to hear irrational, angry rants because that's how they're feeling right now and it legitimizes them.

There's clearly value in that, hence why they continue to be employed, but it's not rational or sensible or anything that should be given any credibility outside of the moment.

You don't have to be a poet laureate to convey accuracy or at least a message that resonates with the masses.

Ergo, what Carragher said was accurate because it's not easily disputed.

 

[alfie103]

Come on, Carragher's message resonates hugely because it's accurate and doesn't sugar coat it for public consumption.

Funny how when he was lauded when waxing lyrical over us with Poch and identifying the real issue at the club namely the baord/Levy.

Exactly, people criticise Liverpool fans for being defensive and ridiculously partisan but spurs fans on here are exactly the same.

 

[Westmorlandspur]

Totally disingenuous comments from him to help make his argument.

He completely sensationalised that.

We didn't start that game well but we slowly got a grip and got on top. We had some half chances before we scored and then had a good 15 minute period where we had Ajax on the back foot.

Last 15 or so was all us.

Hate it when people do that.

It’s easy to play when 3-0 down , nothing to lose because it seems you have already lost. We were outclassed over two games apart from last 20 minutes against Ajax.
No point getting upset about Carragher. He’s usually on the button. He was happy to call out Salah for being selfish over his contract.
We have beaten a crap Utd, also City because we often do for some reason.

 

[XIIIMPC]

You don't have to be a poet laureate to convey accuracy or at least a message that resonates with the masses.

Ergo, what Carragher said was accurate because it's not easily disputed.

You say those two things like they are interchangeable.

I don't doubt that Keane, Carragher etc say stuff that resonates. Doesn't mean they are accurate, relevant, or either.

 

[Westmorlandspur]

The last big game we won was surely the first leg against Liverpool? Desperate attempt by Carragher to be clever

There was nothing on the first game. Just the first half as they say.

 

[bigfrooj]

I think if we'd put in that performance away to Real Madrid in the CL there would be more understanding and Liverpool are probably a better team than RM right now.

People are just angry and lashing out, there's no real logic to it.

Exactly. What are they angry about? The same core of players playing tyree games a week for three months getting us somehow to a cup semi final and then getting outplayed and outfought by a much better, fitter, fresher team? Be frustrated and be disappointed but don't act like a toddler having a tantrum.
If we get the players back and actually have the luxury of proper training, proper recovery and good worthwhile rotation we will win the Europa League. Big ifs but I'll stand by that. We have a very good squad full of very good players, certainly better than the next best squad.

 

[WiganSpur]

If we go out to Villa then with the new signings it’s hard to see us not at least picking up a few more points in the league. The Brentford win and the signings at least means we can afford to give Ange the season now. I don’t think anyone on here really wanted us to have to make the change mid season, but with the injuries and relegation threat it’s 100% understandable and I agree. We should be OK though now, especially if Villa beat us. Finish as high as we can in the Prem and EL is a free hit and I guess you never know.