Livermore loaned to Ipswich
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AngerManagement
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I don't get the comparison to Huddlestone, Livermore has never shown anything remotely similar to Huddlestones passing range to suggest they even have the same style of play.
We shall see, I hope he turns out to be the next big thing (as I hope with all of our youngsters) but personally I think he will make little impact and Ipwish and we will see little to nothing of him again in a Spurs shirt before he is sold to a mid to top Championship team and hopefully will forge a decent career for himself like Dean Marney has.
Ok I probably am being overly judgemental here, but I simply feel the quality of our squad today means only the cream of the crop of youngsters even have a chance to break through and the likes of Livermore simply do not have what it takes.
Hopefully I am wrong.
We shall see, I hope he turns out to be the next big thing (as I hope with all of our youngsters) but personally I think he will make little impact and Ipwish and we will see little to nothing of him again in a Spurs shirt before he is sold to a mid to top Championship team and hopefully will forge a decent career for himself like Dean Marney has.
Ok I probably am being overly judgemental here, but I simply feel the quality of our squad today means only the cream of the crop of youngsters even have a chance to break through and the likes of Livermore simply do not have what it takes.
Hopefully I am wrong.
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Think Roy Keane could be a great mentor to this lad.
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Hopefully this, and the Townsend loan, and forerunners to a deal for Wickham
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Goes to show you never can tell.
taraabt to QPR excelled and stayed there
Kaboul sold to Portsmouth bought from portsmouth and now excelling here.
Gio also loaned to ipswich and Galatasaray didn't excel there and isn't doing anything to suggest he will back with us.
Keane went to Celtic excelled there and came back and almoat looked good on Tuesday
Livemore- Wish him luck but who knows/ Keane didn't exactly put a fire cracker up Gio.
taraabt to QPR excelled and stayed there
Kaboul sold to Portsmouth bought from portsmouth and now excelling here.
Gio also loaned to ipswich and Galatasaray didn't excel there and isn't doing anything to suggest he will back with us.
Keane went to Celtic excelled there and came back and almoat looked good on Tuesday
Livemore- Wish him luck but who knows/ Keane didn't exactly put a fire cracker up Gio.
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He had to stay with the squad, he is a top player already even at this age. Loaning players is a very bad practice. If our coaches cant provide them with proper training they need to find someone better.
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He might not have the passing range of Huddlestone but he is far more mobile, wins the balls plenty as he reads the game well and is not afraid to tackle. And most importantly he passes the ball forward in the middle, which we rarely see from Huddlestone.
I was really impressed by him.
He has to stay with the squad to get used playing with the rest of the players and so he can get the odd 10 games this season, sending him on loan is a bad F idea, and I am starting to hate Arry for doing so to our young players.
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Well Livermore is probably our 7th/8th choice centre mid right now, unless we have a colossal injury crisis in that area then he won't be playing 10 games this season.
Was the first thing I thought when I saw this.
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AngerManagement
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Those are more differences between him and Huddlestone.
My point was the poster who made a comparison between him and Huddlestone (saying he reminds them of Huddlestone at a similar age) was very much off the mark, which by your post listing further differences I assume you agree with.
He doesn't compare to Huddlestone in anyway in my opinion, completely differnt type of players.
As for wheter he can make it and wheter he is good enough? I have never seen him play in youth and reserve matches so my exposure to him is rather limited....the coaching staff obviously feel he has potential hence he has not been released so it is up to him to prove his worth on loan.
It does make sense to loan him out, because one thing our coaching staff can not teach him is experience in copetitive matches...and playing in the championship is a lot more realistic than training or half paced semi important reserve league matches.
As I have said, I have serve doubts about Livermores potential to ever break into our team...I just don't see it happening and if he fails to be a superstar at Ipswich this will only further cement my opinion.
However I know it is judegmental and wrong to be writing players off at such a young age....but then I am just a fan on an internet forum posting my opinion and assessment of the player and I have no direct influence upon him here so I see no harm in expressing what I feel will occur (whilst very much hoping that he and any other of our youngsters *GDS included* can prove me wrong)
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They are going to get experience in competitive matches for shit teams playing against other shit teams??? I'd rather keep them here with the rest so at least they can learn something from top players like VDV, King, Keane, Dawson, Huddlestone, Defoe, etc and get used to playing with the rest so when a chance for them opens up they don't look lost. Having them play for lesser teams will only downgrade their skills and wont let them go any up than the level of that team. If you don't thinks so then you haven't experienced it first hand to know how detrimental that is.
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Not a bad place to go. Nice pitch, half decent team and start to season. a manager who will bollock you for dip in standards and just up the A12!
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Are you serious?
Firstly that is very disrepectful to lower league teams, your basically writing them off as worthless. Whilst their standard of football and players may not be as high as ours there is still more to football than just the PL.
Players like him have already had ample amounts of training time with the type of players you mention and no doubt this training has played a role in their development to this point.
Does this mean there is no need for other exposures and experiences to be undertaken to help develop a young player? are you suggesting all a player needs is to train on a regular basis with a premier first team and their coaching staff and there is zero purpose in a loan system?
If so why do you suggest clubs like Chelsea, Man U and Arsenal all regularly send their young prospects out on loan to gain first team football elsewhere before they are ready to compete for a first team place at their respective clubs? Are you professing the likes of Wenger and Ferguson are also foolish for wasting the time of their youngsters by sending them out on loan?
Clearly you know more than Redknapp and the managers of these top clubs who send their youngsters out on loan. Maybe you should write to mr levy and tell him how foolish Harry is being and he may even off you a role as head of youth development since you have such an amazing grasp of what it takes to develop a young player into a top talent.
Or maybe, just maybe all these top managers know what they're doing and these loans actually to provide valuable experience of first team competitive football to young players. The best analogy is to look at the act of penalty taking, most footballers can score penalties for fun in practice....but practice cannot replicate the pressures you will endure in a real match scenerio where points are at stake and passions run high. Similarly training behind closed downs cannot replicate what it takes to produce week in week out when the games count and you have the passions of fans watching your every move.
Do you really think a short loan spell will down grade the skills they have aquired over the course of their development thus far? obviously the loans are designed to teach them different things, things they cannot learn by training alone.....do you really fail to grasp this concept or are you a WUM looking to create discussion by playing devils adovcate?
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It'll only downgrade their skills if they stay there too long and using their skills under pressure is a key part of their developmental process. Besides, championship teams aren't all that shit. there's not so much of a difference between the bottom 6 premiership teams and top 6 championship teams. they'll also get used to far harder tackling and pressing than they would in training and reserve match situations.
I would just like to add it is important to match the player to an appropriate team for their skill sets.
Sending a midfielder to a club that doesn't play the ball through the midfield will not benefit that player's development.
A striker will do better as they will see more of the ball or a defender as they will be constantly involved but all a midfielder will do is become frustrated and run around like a head-less chicken.
Making his loan spell look unsucessful.
Sending a midfielder to a club that doesn't play the ball through the midfield will not benefit that player's development.
A striker will do better as they will see more of the ball or a defender as they will be constantly involved but all a midfielder will do is become frustrated and run around like a head-less chicken.
Making his loan spell look unsucessful.
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I assume Bostock to Hull relates to your concerns?
Do you think he'll be playing ten games next season?
Not at all, but all players regardless of position.
It's just getting the right match that is important.
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As far as Bostock is concerned, I have been asking some of my family, who come from Hull about him.
Unfortunately they are still bedding down as a team, under a new manager so things are a bit chaotic at the moment. Pearson rates him highly, but they will not be a coherent side for a couple of months yet, so maybe Hull was the wrong place to send him.
Looking at the start that Watford have made, I can't help think that playing alongside John Eustace in midfield for them would not have been a better option. He is probably the best defensive midfielder in the Championship at the moment and Bostock could have really learnt a lot playing in the centre with him.
Hopefully as the pieces start to fit together for Hull, Bostock can have a real influence. He is certainly going to have to learn the hard way at Hull.
(sorry to hijack the Livermore thread!)
Unfortunately they are still bedding down as a team, under a new manager so things are a bit chaotic at the moment. Pearson rates him highly, but they will not be a coherent side for a couple of months yet, so maybe Hull was the wrong place to send him.
Looking at the start that Watford have made, I can't help think that playing alongside John Eustace in midfield for them would not have been a better option. He is probably the best defensive midfielder in the Championship at the moment and Bostock could have really learnt a lot playing in the centre with him.
Hopefully as the pieces start to fit together for Hull, Bostock can have a real influence. He is certainly going to have to learn the hard way at Hull.
(sorry to hijack the Livermore thread!)
