Levy/ENIC Discussion in here!

[Kingellesar]

We have been in a similar position so many times under this ownership where we needed to actually give the manager some signings that can improve us now and not in 18 months time. Maybe the difference now is that we have tasted success and seen what impact it has on everyone, fans, staff, board level. Maybe this is the summer we finally push on and go and make a statement in the market. Lets hope it is....

 

[southlondonyiddo]

Let’s see how we get on v PSG in August before we dismiss the idea of winning next seasons CL

Why do some people find this post so amusing?

I, for one, am looking forward to another open top bus parade on Saturday August 18

 

[mil1lion]

Why do some people find this post so amusing?

I, for one, am looking forward to another open top bus parade on Saturday August 18

We better bloody not do the parade while Burnley line up

 

[fishhhandaricecake]

We have been in a similar position so many times under this ownership where we needed to actually give the manager some signings that can improve us now and not in 18 months time. Maybe the difference now is that we have tasted success and seen what impact it has on everyone, fans, staff, board level. Maybe this is the summer we finally push on and go and make a statement in the market. Let’s hope it is....

mate let’s hope so

 

[FITZ]

Within the first 1min of the interview, Vinai says "we'll be working on everything together and there certainly won't be anything that happens at the club that we're not joined at the hip on"

so ultimately no change but another voice in the room hopefully better than that of DC, but clearly Levy still the pupet master.

Or the flip side. The board has said Daniel can’t do anything without his sign off too.

 

[Styopa]

People hark on about him saying the stadium would be a game changer, he made those comments in a very different economic climate, when he I truly believe felt UEFA/FIFA/EPL were truly going to enforce FFP (naïve perhaps, evil or with an eye on his own pockets? nah sorry I don’t believe that about him)

I agree with much of the rest of your post, but I think this particular point is a bit naive. The stadium really was a game-changer—just not necessarily in the way many Spurs fans had hoped. Spurs with the stadium are a completely different proposition compared to Spurs without it. Just look at the club’s valuation. It hasn’t skyrocketed because of the trophies we’ve won over the past 25 years. The rise in value is driven by other factors (separate from on-field success), and the stadium is a major one. Levy understands this, even if he also recognises the importance of keeping the fans onside.

 

[Rosco1984]

in terms of infrastructures yes
in terms of football? lol

he's still right on football we haven't improved on our best days in the 60's and 80's but from the point they took over the football side is a million miles further ahead. We were shocking under alan sugar.

I don't think I saw us play in europe until I was in my late teen's early twenties. and now we've been in the champions league 8 times including a final and a europa league trophy now.

I still don't like the way he conducts the business side of the football but in general you can't say the club isnt stronger than when he found it on and off the pitch.

 

[Rosco1984]

That's true and he has done a much better job than Sugar but Tottenham was seen as one of the biggest and most successful teams in the country before so it isn't like the Sugar era was a reflection of how we always did.

no it wasn't but it's what he had to work with when he arrived... its not like he walked into a club ready to take on the world we were in a bad way some of the players who played for us back then wouldn't have made southamptons squad this year.

 

[Rosco1984]

On 2nd March 2016 we went to Upton Park - Leicester had drawn the previous evening and we were 3 points behind them. If we had won that night we would have been top on goal difference having both played 28 games. On the Saturday lunchtime we were 2-1 up against 10 man Woolwich and drew. 1 point from 6 - had we gone top who knows how Leicester would have reacted.

there was also kane hitting the bar after a brilliant schmeichel save and them then going up the other end and scoring from a corner one minute later to beat us one nil.... I believe we would have gone ahead of them that night as well and I think we would have run away with it from there. Very fine margins in proffesional sport.

 

[WiganSpur]

The video was a step in the right direction but I think what disappointed me is that it seems much more like Venkatesham has been hired more as a trusted consultant to provide advice and recommendations rather than have any real autonomy to make decisions. It still seems as though Levy is very much in charge, and crucially will also remain heavily involved. That's important because you can recommend all you want but if it falls on deaf ears then what's the point?

Sadly, I think it might end up going the way of Scott Munn and others with VV eventually feeling weary from the micromanagement and questioning the point of his role at the club.

Where he might be able to help though is on the PR and communications side of things, as we have seen signs of here.

 

[eViL]

Just watched the video.

Not half as cringe as some of you are making out.

Well, he's put his nuts on the block a little more than usual.

Let's see this ambition reflected in the transfer window.

Much ado about fuck all, so far.

 

[coy-spurs1882]

he's still right on football we haven't improved on our best days in the 60's and 80's but from the point they took over the football side is a million miles further ahead. We were shocking under alan sugar.

I don't think I saw us play in europe until I was in my late teen's early twenties. and now we've been in the champions league 8 times including a final and a europa league trophy now.

I still don't like the way he conducts the business side of the football but in general you can't say the club isnt stronger than when he found it on and off the pitch.

But clearly while Levy wants at least top 4 every season he doesn't invest enough/make correct decision for the manager to achieve it. And you look at Liverpool, they had a downturn but their management had rectified and made them one of the best teams in the world. We were lucky to have great players like Modric, Bale, Kane, Son etc but Levy failed to build on it and bring us to the highest level, and that's why so many players leaving us questioned his ambition. This is incompetence.

 

[WiganSpur]

My key takeaways were that they hit the key points they wanted to:

• Fans think Levy doesn't care about winning
  • Let's try to show how much he cares
• Fans think Levy is only interested in getting the money from CL football
  • Let's say that he wants to win the league
• Fans think Levy is too focussed on commercial deals and infrastructure (stadium, training ground, hotels, etc...) rather than the playing side
  • Let's say there's no point having a nice stadium if we don't win on the pitch

Now he needs to back up his words with actions or the protests last season will be tiny in comparison to what he'll see when the transfer window closes.

Pretty much everyone knows that Levy does in fact care about winning. Of course he does. It's just that he prioritises the balance sheet first and foremost, and isn't willing to take any risks whatsoever to win. If he goes for the jugular one summer and it doesn't come off meaning we have to cut back a bit the following summer, the fans would actually understand that. Why can't we just lie somewhere in between where we are now and Aston Villa? When you are 1 or 2 players away you have to smell the opportunity. But he doesn't seem to get it.

That's why his actions in the transfer market will always be the marker of his actual ambitions.

 

[alfie103]

Pretty much everyone knows that Levy does in fact care about winning. Of course he does. It's just that he prioritises the balance sheet first and foremost, and isn't willing to take any risks whatsoever to win. If he goes for the jugular one summer and it doesn't come off meaning we have to cut back a bit the following summer, the fans would actually understand that. Why can't we just lie somewhere in between where we are now and Aston Villa? When you are 1 or 2 players away you have to smell the opportunity. But he doesn't seem to get it.

That's why his actions in the transfer market will always be the marker of his actual ambitions.

To me, that shows he doesn't really care about winning. He was happy to take a risk with the football club when it came to loading the club with loads of debt to build the stadium.

 

[thebenjamin]

It's a bit of an oxymoron all this. Daniel says he wants to win the league. Daniel says the club will not spend beyond its means. But the best players get paid the most and no one is winning the league in this day and age with a wage bill £100-200m a season lower than their counterparts. So unless we expand our willingness to carry players of a higher level than current, we aren't going to win the league. So what's the point in saying it?

 

[WiganSpur]

It's a bit of an oxymoron all this. Daniel says he wants to win the league. Daniel says the club will not spend beyond its means. But the best players get paid the most and no one is winning the league in this day and age with a wage bill £100-200m a season lower than their counterparts. So unless we expand our willingness to carry players of a higher level that current, we aren't going to win the league. So what's the point in saying it?

If he isn't going to change he would honestly be better just fronting up and saying that his main priority is the sustainability of the football club to remain in and around the top 6. His calculation seems to be if he's cautious but keeps us around that area then eventually once every 2-3 years we'll have an opportunity to win a trophy. It's that thinking imo rather than "What do we need to do to maximise our chances of winning a trophy this season"

 

[alfie103]

no it wasn't but it's what he had to work with when he arrived... its not like he walked into a club ready to take on the world we were in a bad way some of the players who played for us back then wouldn't have made southamptons squad this year.

We finished 12th the year he took over, not great but we weren't relegation candidates either. The club was a sleeping giant with one of the largest fanbases in the country and located in London, it's not like he took over Bury FC.

 

[Nine while nine]

no it wasn't but it's what he had to work with when he arrived... its not like he walked into a club ready to take on the world we were in a bad way some of the players who played for us back then wouldn't have made Southampton's squad this year.

Agreed.

I mean, Ben Thatcher, for one, is 49 now and, frankly, unlikely to be up to the rigours of Premier League football any more.

 

[southlondonyiddo]

We finished 12th the year he took over, not great but we weren't relegation candidates either. The club was a sleeping giant with one of the largest fanbases in the country and located in London, it's not like he took over Bury FC.

Fun time Frankie revolutionised the squad and Jol sorted it all out

As you and others say, football and the money in the game exploded and Levy/ENIC have ridden the wave

 

[Ribble]

Where's that Magic Roundabout gif gone when you need it?