Levy/ENIC Discussion in here!

[JUSTINSIGNAL]

Bringing in Frank and I am fully on board with Levy and the club.

Perfectly handled the Ange regarding keeping him until the end of the season and the decision and timing of the sacking.

Bringing Frank in sounds a good fit with thoughts put into it. Next challenge will be to get some player profiles in that Frank needs. Probably the toughest ask regarding our recent history.

You're not allowed to be that positive about Levy in this this thread

 

[KingNick]

the thing is levy tells these managers what they want to hear and then once they sign there is nothing they can do. Levy pulls the yeah we tried but couldn't get bastoni, here is lenglet on loan

Or equally possible is that managers tell Levy they are happy to work within the THFC structure/constraints but then start bitching when they don't get multiple 80m signings

 

[pablo73]

Or equally possible is that managers tell Levy they are happy to work within the THFC structure/constraints but then start bitching when they don't get multiple 80m signings

Is it really equally possible? There is one constant here and it’s not all the managers we chew up and spit out.

 

[KingNick]

Is it really equally possible? There is one constant here and it’s not all the managers we chew up and spit out.

Yes, I'd say so based on Conte and Mourinho's records at other clubs. And it is pretty ridiculous to believe that DL would be promising managers a massive transfer budget and wages only to then expose that as a lie a few weeks later. What would be the point? Additionally, would managers and their agents even believe such lies - our transfer record in the ENIC era is clear for anyone to see and is widely known. I am sure that Jose and Conte both assured DL they were such great managers that they could get results regardless.

 

[mil1lion]

I think it’s probably more that a lot of people clearly wanted ange to stay cos he’s shown he has something that has been missing, and it was worth the risk of another season to find out if we can get things going in the league with him, because if we did, we would have had a proper football person at the club for the long term! Another bad managerial appoint is what he will believe this was! the truth is all these managers had a chance to be successful at Tottenham, just not under him!

He shouldn't stick with a manager when it's clearly not working just because of past mistakes. The only manager he should have stuck with was Poch who deserved a full rebuild.

 

[pablo73]

Yes, I'd say so based on Conte and Mourinho's records at other clubs. And it is pretty ridiculous to believe that DL would be promising managers a massive transfer budget and wages only to then expose that as a lie a few weeks later. What would be the point? Additionally, would managers and their agents even believe such lies - our transfer record in the ENIC era is clear for anyone to see and is widely known. I am sure that Jose and Conte both assured DL they were such great managers that they could get results regardless.

As has been said many, many times it’s not what we spend it’s how we spend it.

Levy (and the rest of the board historically) cannot help meddling in football matters despite knowing fuck all about it. That has been the root cause of all our problems over the years IMHO.

Hopefully that is finally being rectified but I will believe it when I see it.

 

[mil1lion]

I think it's more about what fans want us to do and that's to challenge at the top. He's just not signing players for that but to be a solid team qualifying for Europe each season with only an outside chance to win trophies. It's not that we're always bad in the transfer market although we've certainly had some shocking windows. It's that sense of just leaving a manager enough to be competitive and not the ambition for more. I think you can appreciate the good that we have yet still want more because we have the resources for more. I think that's kind of why he's lasted so long because we have been a solid team for a long time and that's been just enough to keep a number of fans satisfied. It's kind of like an employee happy in a job getting good pay but really there's people elsewhere doing the same job in better conditions on higher pay. You're happy in the job so not going to aggetate to move but that doesn't mean you couldn't be happier elsewhere.

 

[mmidgers]

You're not allowed to be that positive about Levy in this this thread

What's to be positive about?

My mistake. He's doing great

 

[JUSTINSIGNAL]

What's to be positive about?

Read the the opinion of the person I quoted.

 

[mmidgers]

Read the the opinion of the person I quoted.

You're right. After not backing Ange properly last summer, as he does with every manager, he's back to sacking more managers and paying out more compo. How many managers since sacking poch, who he also failed to back?
But the next patsy is in place, who he'll more then likely fail to back and then inevitably sack too. Excuse me for not feeling so optimistic about Levy's leadership

 

[JUSTINSIGNAL]

You're right. After not backing Ange properly last summer, as he does with every manager, he's back to sacking more managers and paying out more compo. How many managers since sacking poch, who he also failed to back?
But the next patsy is in place, who he'll more then likely fail to back and then inevitably sack too. Excuse me for not feeling so optimistic about Levy's leadership

Have a nice day

 

[WiganSpur]

Pointing to the net spend alone is totally misleading. There has to be a better metric put in place that accounts for wage expenditure too. I bet if you adjusted for wage expenditure then we lie somewhere in mid table.

The frustrating thing for me is that he can actually achieve this in a smart way but chooses not to. For example paying top wages for experienced players on free transfers and then spending more on fees for the younger players like Archie Gray, for example. Whilst i'd rather he did both, we can still operate in a more intelligent way than we do now.

 

[Westmorlandspur]

You're right. After not backing Ange properly last summer, as he does with every manager, he's back to sacking more managers and paying out more compo. How many managers since sacking poch, who he also failed to back?
But the next patsy is in place, who he'll more then likely fail to back and then inevitably sack too. Excuse me for not feeling so optimistic about Levy's leadership

Failed to back Poch. Yet again we get this rubbish. 110m spent after the champ lge final. 3 of the worst signings ever. Ndombele, Lo Celso and Sessegnon. We got precisely nothing out of the lot of them.
Poch might be a good coach but a poor judge of a player. Levy scarred for life after that lot.

 

[mil1lion]

You're right. After not backing Ange properly last summer, as he does with every manager, he's back to sacking more managers and paying out more compo. How many managers since sacking poch, who he also failed to back?
But the next patsy is in place, who he'll more then likely fail to back and then inevitably sack too. Excuse me for not feeling so optimistic about Levy's leadership

It's a lot cheaper paying for managers than paying for top players. That's the model that works for Levy. Get a new manager with fresh ideas and get that initial improvement. Then the consistency drops again because they're not top players so it's rinse and repeat on the coaches.

 

[mil1lion]

Failed to back Poch. Yet again we get this rubbish. 110m spent after the champ lge final. 3 of the worst signings ever. Ndombele, Lo Celso and Sessegnon. We got precisely nothing out of the lot of them.
Poch might be a good coach but a poor judge of a player. Levy scarred for life after that lot.

We signed nobody the summer before that so needed far more than 3 first team signings (and Sess was just a prospect). Not sure why that was and no doubt things got worse when Poch wanted more control. But he did also want a rebuild that he never got.

 

[Stuart Leathercock]

Failed to back Poch. Yet again we get this rubbish. 110m spent after the champ lge final. 3 of the worst signings ever. Ndombele, Lo Celso and Sessegnon. We got precisely nothing out of the lot of them.
Poch might be a good coach but a poor judge of a player. Levy scarred for life after that lot.

There was nothing wrong with any of those signings on the face of it. All three were good players.

Lo Celso arrived right at the end of the window (as is typical with our chairman)
Sessegnon arrived injured
Ndombele started well under Poch and went downhill under subsequent managers.

You judge all of these players after we flipped to a manager with a completely different philosophy to Pochettino and are surprised when things don’t work out?

imagine being a chairman that sacks a manager who has achieved 5th, 3rd, 2nd, 3rd, 4th (with CL final) despite having only the 6th biggest wage budget and 12th biggest transfer budget in the league?

 

[funkycoldmedina]

Failed to back Poch. Yet again we get this rubbish. 110m spent after the champ lge final. 3 of the worst signings ever. Ndombele, Lo Celso and Sessegnon. We got precisely nothing out of the lot of them.
Poch might be a good coach but a poor judge of a player. Levy scarred for life after that lot.

I think both things can be true, Levy loosened the purse strings too late for Poch, the group were running out of steam well before that, and he let Poch have his way in having no DoF.
Managers don't have time to scout and do due diligence on players but he was on a crest of a wave and we caved in.

 

[Stuart Leathercock]

We signed nobody the summer before that so needed far more than 3 first team signings (and Sess was just a prospect). Not sure why that was and no doubt things got worse when Poch wanted more control. But he did also want a rebuild that he never got.

The chairman also had the absolutely useless Steve Hitchen as head of recruitment. As with many people he employs I have no idea on how they merit their employment.

 

[Westmorlandspur]

I think both things can be true, Levy loosened the purse strings too late for Poch, the group were running out of steam well before that, and he let Poch have his way in having no DoF.
Managers don't have time to scout and do due diligence on players but he was on a crest of a wave and we caved in.

Maybe as well he didn’t give Poch any money the season before. If you look at Poch’s best team, apart from Son and Toby, they were all there when he arrived or in the process of arriving. Dier and Davies . Dele was down to Pleaty.
We had been watching Son since he was at Hamburg. Poch knew Toby from Southampton.
At least Frank is well used to the data stuff. Brentford were in for Brennan Johnson, Archie Gray and Nusa( Norwegian who had a dodgy knee, now at Leipzig. Thomas might have an idea in how to get the best out of Brennan. He’s quick but not really a winger.
Nice header for Wales last night.

 

[Westmorlandspur]

There was nothing wrong with any of those signings on the face of it. All three were good players.

Lo Celso arrived right at the end of the window (as is typical with our chairman)
Sessegnon arrived injured
Ndombele started well under Poch and went downhill under subsequent managers.

You judge all of these players after we flipped to a manager with a completely different philosophy to Pochettino and are surprised when things don’t work out?

imagine being a chairman that sacks a manager who has achieved 5th, 3rd, 2nd, 3rd, 4th (with CL final) despite having only the 6th biggest wage budget and 12th biggest transfer budget in the league?

By all accounts a lot of the experienced players had had enough of him. I thought that the end had come the game after we got beat 7-2 by Bayern . Away to Brighton expecting a reaction we were stuffed 3-0 and looked as if they had chucked in the towel. He went soon after.
Even Bill Nick got sacked.
If Liverpool can sack Dalglish after winning the League Cup ??