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cjsimba

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I think we won’t spend in Jan, then sack Ange early Feb. Then Levy’s excuse will be he didn’t want to spend in Jan on players for a manager who was on the verge of the sack.

Saves him another transfer window of expenditure.
 

sidford

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I think we won’t spend in Jan, then sack Ange early Feb. Then Levy’s excuse will be he didn’t want to spend in Jan on players for a manager who was on the verge of the sack.

Saves him another transfer window of expenditure.
Yea unfortunately I think that's a likely outcome.
There's no way now that we will spend any sort of reasonable amount or address any of the multiple issues in squad in January so If Ange is still here by February he'll only have what he currently does.
As with everything levy does on the football side we will half ass it. We will likely keep Ange for another little while but won't actually give him any help in January and then sack him later on in season.
 

Albertbarich

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I think we won’t spend in Jan, then sack Ange early Feb. Then Levy’s excuse will be he didn’t want to spend in Jan on players for a manager who was on the verge of the sack.

Saves him another transfer window of expenditure.
No I don’t think that’s their thought process.

it’s all about if European football is still achievable. So if we have a bad December he will be gone to get a new manager in with a couple of shiny new toys in players to distract an increasingly bitter and frustrated fanbase in the hope that the bounce pushes us in and around the top six.
 

Dov67

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Sacking Ange, whether he deserves the sack or not, gets Levy off the hook

everything calms down, the next sucker is appointed, we feel as a fan base, the only decent thing to do is support him, the atmosphere in the stadium calms down = Levy off the hook!!

Sacking Ange is like putting a sticky plaster on a leg broken in three places.

Even if you think Ange should be fired this morning, that act only puts the clock back to zero before we are in exactly the same position again in 18 months or less and on and on and on.

Hold your nose back Ange and keep the bloody pressure where it belongs - on Levy and this f****g board.
 

Rout-Ledge

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Sacking Ange, whether he deserves the sack or not, gets Levy off the hook

everything calms down, the next sucker is appointed, we feel as a fan base, the only decent thing to do is support him, the atmosphere in the stadium calms down = Levy off the hook!!

Sacking Ange is like putting a sticky plaster on a leg broken in three places.

Even if you think Ange should be fired this morning, that act only puts the clock back to zero before we are in exactly the same position again in 18 months or less and on and on and on.

Hold your nose back Ange and keep the bloody pressure where it belongs - on Levy and this f****g board.
But equally, if the fans start to turn on Levy then the first thing he’ll do is sack Ange for exactly the reasons you’ve described - it takes the pressure off.
 

muppetman

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I think for a long time he got more stick than was always warranted, but it's clear that he just has no desire to compete at the top.

When we built the stadium, I said at the time that it would cement us in that top 6 of income, but wouldn't be enough to really push on and compete with the big boys. That's because Levy is just not willing to take a risk and if not now, then when?

I don't think we need Saudi billions, we just need someone a bit braver and smarter to do better with the money we have.
 

Dov67

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But equally, if the fans start to turn on Levy then the first thing he’ll do is sack Ange for exactly the reasons you’ve described - it takes the pressure off.
Completely true

look, I am losing patience with Ange in that there is no pragmatism to our play, and we are sometimes suicidal in how we approach the defensive side of things. So I’m not part of the Ange fan club by any stretch.

What I’d like to see is the fans vocally back Ange inside the stadium, which shows we dont belive the problem is with him, to try and take the tried and tested sack the manager get out of jail card Levy always plays off the table.

Pie in the sky I know…..obviously. I expect at some point he will be sacked. It will be Mason and then some other sucker, the pressure is off again until we find ourselves right back here in less than 18m months
 

spursfan77

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I don’t think the stadium itself makes any difference. Arsenal miss Highbury but now they are good the feeling is good. We have just been so poorly run since the stadium build that everyone has lost hope.

Where the stadium is a concern is now Levy is making so much revenue and now the league is so competitive it might be no longer needed to make Europe anymore. We might be better financially being mid table now rather than 4th as coming 4th in this current environment could mean a lot of transfer and wage spending which would be too much for Levy. So the stadium might give the opportunity to make us more average for Daniel. 10th might be the new 4th.

Yep. A few years ago Woodward at untied said similar. They make so much money now that they don’t actually need to win anything. Levy is from the same stable.
 

ginola99

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The stadium is a masterstroke, no honestly. I knew that whilst studying it in my Town Planning masters. The Viability report was showing huge income, at 'a conservative estimate'. The stadium income is now even higher than those said.

When you read the level of the detail Levy went into on the stadium with the head architect talking of hours long meeting on just the lift doors then you know trophies isn't number one priority sadly.

His time is up and hopefully for good. I genuinely never want to see him at the club again, same way I did with Sir Alan Sugar.
 

fishhhandaricecake

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I’ve been a Levy watcher for long enough to know that when the natives get restless he tends to deflect attention by either sacking the manager or investing in a quick splurge on players.

Sacking Ange looks too high-risk to me for all sorts of reasons. May be wishful thinking but I think we’ll invest in 2 or 3 more established players in Jan.
Agree, he’ll do ‘just enough’ to keep us in perpetual mid table to Europe at best and it’ll keep the wolves away but signing off a few January transfers which in the scheme of things will barely make a difference.

Just like when things were going very toxic under conte and he got Porro over the line end of Jan, he’ll do the same now.

It’s either sack the manager or invest ‘just enough’ in new players to calm the storm down.

It’s actually very clever and spurs fans basically now are stuck in Stockholm syndrome, we’ve been indoctrinated by this pattern for so long no one has any energy to try and break it and some still seem to be fooled by it, thankfully less and less now and the media are clocking on also.
 
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spursfan77

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The stadium is a masterstroke, no honestly. I knew that whilst studying it in my Town Planning masters. The Viability report was showing huge income, at 'a conservative estimate'. The stadium income is now even higher than those said.

When you read the level of the detail Levy went into on the stadium with the head architect talking of hours long meeting on just the lift doors then you know trophies isn't number one priority sadly.

His time is up and hopefully for good. I genuinely never want to see him at the club again, same way I did with Sir Alan Sugar.

It has felt like the end of Sugar days for a while. Got to wonder if he’s giving Levy any advice.
 

GarlicBread

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To anyone thinking Levy is trying to run this club sustainably, in what way is hiring a manager, signing a bunch of players that don’t suit that manager, sacking and subsequently paying off that manager, hiring another, taking a loss on previous players to get rid and repeating the cycle over and over sustainable?
 

Gb160

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To anyone thinking Levy is trying to run this club sustainably, in what way is hiring a manager, signing a bunch of players that don’t suit that manager, sacking and subsequently paying off that manager, hiring another, taking a loss on previous players to get rid and repeating the cycle over and over sustainable?
financially sustainable.
 

For the love of Spurs

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To anyone thinking Levy is trying to run this club sustainably, in what way is hiring a manager, signing a bunch of players that don’t suit that manager, sacking and subsequently paying off that manager, hiring another, taking a loss on previous players to get rid and repeating the cycle over and over sustainable?

It’s sustainable in theory.

1 buy players on low wages who are young

2 develop players into better players who are worth more but still on low wages thus grow the asset value of the team.

3 sell them if they want to leave for good money which can be reinvested into more potential talents.

For this to work however you need great scouting and a clear long term football strategy and the board get the fuck out of the way and trust the experts. We don’t do that so in the end we get players and managers that don’t work out then have to finally sell them without making much of a profit. There is something remarkably amateurish about us compared to say Brighton for instance.
 

Danners9

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It’s sustainable in theory.

1 buy players on low wages who are young

2 develop players into better players who are worth more but still on low wages thus grow the asset value of the team.

3 sell them if they want to leave for good money which can be reinvested into more potential talents.

For this to work however you need great scouting and a clear long term football strategy and the board get the fuck out of the way and trust the experts. We don’t do that so in the end we get players and managers that don’t work out then have to finally sell them without making much of a profit. There is something remarkably amateurish about us compared to say Brighton for instance.
Important to remember this when the net spend stat gets mentioned. It's high, yes, but that's because most of the expensive players have left for pennies.
 

fishhhandaricecake

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Look at Zak Brown yesterday celebrating the constructors title win on the podium after years of hard work to make McLaren great again, contrast that to Levy who just sits in his chair emotionless, both are businesspeople at heart but one is a competitive born winner, the other is absolutely not and that culture seeps into every pore of our club which is why we don't win, because the culture is wrong and the top(Levy) don't know how to be successful at a football club.
 

Mattspur

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Look at Zak Brown yesterday celebrating the constructors title win on the podium after years of hard work to make McLaren great again, contrast that to Levy who just sits in his chair emotionless, both are businesspeople at heart but one is a competitive born winner, the other is absolutely not and that culture seeps into every pore of our club which is why we don't win, because the culture is wrong and the top(Levy) don't know how to be successful at a football club.
Does the Chairman of any other top football club behave any differently to Levy?
 
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