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[DJS]

i think the decline had started under fergie the last team which won the league was Schole, Rio, Evra, Rooney, Van P, Carrick all where old and I don't think they had any or many good young players coming though of the calibre to replace them. there squad had needed a adding to a few years earlier with quality.

They’ve spent a lot of money since though and bought really really badly.

 

[BorjeSpurs]

Ten Haag says we’ll be okay we just gotta stick to the plaaaaaaan maaaaaaaan!

 

[noiseboy55]

This gets even better hahaha

 

[taidgh]

Fernandes. What a prick. Talk about letting your side down.

 

[Marty]

If they lose to Villa he's surely gone.

So I expect them to suddenly win 4-0 because that's the sort of weird shit they do every time he looks a dead man walking.

 

[kr1978]

3-2 down in a must win (for ten Haag) game and he subs on Harry maguire and Jonny Evans-he is just taking the piss surely

 

[freeeki]

Good luck appealing that red, you rat

 

[Yiddo100]

They’ve spent a ridiculous amount of money and they still need to replace about 6 first team starters.

 

[Stamford]

I can't wait for the Southgate appointment

 

[taidgh]

Incredible. Love it though. ETH for life!

 

[DJS]

Harry Maguire stuck to the plan!

 

[kr1978]

3-2 down in a must win (for ten Haag) game and he subs on Harry maguire and Jonny Evans-he is just taking the piss surely

Genius-He knew what he was doing-made you look a bit stupid there

 

[fishhhandaricecake]

If they lose to Villa he's surely gone.

So I expect them to suddenly win 4-0 because that's the sort of weird shit they do every time he looks a dead man walking.

I think they will get utterly spanked by Villa and that'll will be tada eric.

 

[BuryMeInEngland]

Fernandes. What a prick. Talk about letting your side down.

He's a complete fuckwit. Hopefully it will continue

 

[Pochemon94]

id be happy with any of these + southgate

maybe im in the minority but i actually really rate potter and howe, before ange took over i wouldve been happy with either (howe succeeding poche and potter pre chelsea)

 

[newbie]

They’ve spent a lot of money since though and bought really really badly.

yes But spending wisely is more important

 

[newbie]

maybe im in the minority but i actually really rate potter and howe, before ange took over i wouldve been happy with either (howe succeeding poche and potter pre chelsea)

do they have the stature ? To manage United

 

[WiganSpur]

Ten Hag is evidently not the man but it's also true that right now nobody would really be able to come in and do a significantly better job. If they got Potter in now the same toxic players will have trampled all over him within 18 months. It's too early for that kind of manager.

They have got the same problem we have had over the past 5-6 years but worse given the contract lengths and eyewatering wages some of those players will be on. Obviously Eriksen, Maguire, Evans and Lindelof will go in 2025 but that's only a very small chunk.

You've essentially got a list of huge earners here who'll need to go:

Casemiro 2026
Sancho 2026 (can probably be revived)
Shaw 2027 (injuries)
Fernandes 2027
Antony 2027
Onana? 2028
Rashford 2028
Mount 2028
De Ligt 2029 (probably too early to say lol)

It won't improve until about 6-7 of these senior guys are gone. I don't think Postecoglou & Lange could arrive there and do something similar to what they've done with Spurs in 3 transfer windows. I think you're talking 5 at least and that's only with the right manager.

The best strategy for United now is to focus on the next couple of years only. Admit defeat with these players. Try desperately to get rid of those above either permanently or on loan, pay off contracts if necessary or have the manager work with what he has until the contracts expire. If they sack ETH now they are honestly just better off with a pragmatist for a year or two. Play on the counter attack or something. Not that it would happen but Carlo Ancelotti would be the best appointment they could make at this juncture.

In terms of incomings they're better ending expensive buys under Ten Hag until they've cleared out the decks and can put him out of his misery with some hope of improvement. Sort out the scouting and take cheaper punts on more less proven teenager talents who would mature in time for when there is space for them to break through. Think it's better for United to aim to sort out most of the mess by summer 26 then that'll be the time to move for the long term coach.

In the meantime they're top 6 at best relying purely on individual quality.

 

[muppetman]

Ten Hag is evidently not the man but it's also true that right now nobody would really be able to come in and do a significantly better job. If they got Potter in now the same toxic players will have trampled all over him within 18 months. It's too early for that kind of manager.

They have got the same problem we have had over the past 5-6 years but worse given the contract lengths and eyewatering wages some of those players will be on. Obviously Eriksen, Maguire, Evans and Lindelof will go in 2025 but that's only a very small chunk.

You've essentially got a list of huge earners here who'll need to go:

Casemiro 2026
Sancho 2026 (can probably be revived)
Shaw 2027 (injuries)
Fernandes 2027
Antony 2027
Onana? 2028
Rashford 2028
Mount 2028
De Ligt 2029 (probably too early to say lol)

It won't improve until about 6-7 of these senior guys are gone. I don't think Postecoglou & Lange could arrive there and do something similar to what they've done with Spurs in 3 transfer windows. I think you're talking 5 at least and that's only with the right manager.

The best strategy for United now is to focus on the next couple of years only. Admit defeat with these players. Try desperately to get rid of those above either permanently or on loan, pay off contracts if necessary or have the manager work with what he has until the contracts expire. If they sack ETH now they are honestly just better off with a pragmatist for a year or two. Play on the counter attack or something. Not that it would happen but Carlo Ancelotti would be the best appointment they could make at this juncture.

In terms of incomings they're better ending expensive buys under Ten Hag until they've cleared out the decks and can put him out of his misery with some hope of improvement. Sort out the scouting and take cheaper punts on more less proven teenager talents who would mature in time for when there is space for them to break through. Think it's better for United to aim to sort out most of the mess by summer 26 then that'll be the time to move for the long term coach.

In the meantime they're top 6 at best relying purely on individual quality.

Is there evidence that the players are toxic? Looking at the list of managers they've had since Fergie went, it could be more blame is deserved at the managers door than the players?

Moyes - too big a job for him and not the greatest tactician.
Giggs - selfish shagger.
van Gaal - authoritarian old school and past his best.
Jose - past his best.
Ole - got the gig due to being an old player rather than any great tactical nouse.
Carrick - caretaker.
Rangnick - not a good fit for management - too blunt perhaps.
ten Haag - nuff said.

 

[WiganSpur]

Is there evidence that the players are toxic? Looking at the list of managers they've had since Fergie went, it could be more blame is deserved at the managers door than the players?

Moyes - too big a job for him and not the greatest tactician.
Giggs - selfish shagger.
van Gaal - authoritarian old school and past his best.
Jose - past his best.
Ole - got the gig due to being an old player rather than any great tactical nouse.
Carrick - caretaker.
Rangnick - not a good fit for management - too blunt perhaps.
ten Haag - nuff said.

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Personally I think it's far too many managers with a variety of styles for it to be a coincidence. A person like Rangnick knows when something is wrong 100% even if he's not as hands on as he once was. They're good players but they just turn up when they feel like it.

How many players has Ange transformed here in reality? I don't think there's a single player you could make a case for, perhaps Bissouma but he's not a regular in the league any more.

The reality is Ange is either working with new signings, players that weren't already problematic or bad ability wise (Romero, Bentancur, Richy, Son, Kulu, Pape, Porro) or academy talents now. If you put Ange in charge of our 22/23 or 21/22 sides he struggles a fair bit imo.