Let's All Laugh At... let's all laugh at United

[rossdapep]

It's weird how they seem to have no real spending power these days, despite their revenue. The odd huge debt won't help, but you can't help but feel they are another American-owned club that the owners are happy to run as a stable business.

Was watching a fan YT channel and he was saying before the Glazers United would spend big on 1 player per summer. A player of real quality. Andy Cole, Jaap Stam, Van Nistelrooy, Veron, Rooney, Ronaldo etc. They'd counter that with some squad fillers or young potential but they'd sign a big player per summer window because they wanted to show they were the boss but also add big players to the squad.

When the Glazers came the MO changed to 3 or 4 players but not necessarily the big players they'd craved before. Other than Berbatov they went down the cheaper route but Fergie went along with it.

They then had a few stingy years but once they realised stakeholders will lose interest they've been splashing big money again but this time they can't be the bully in the playground and take the best of the league, as City, Chelsea can match them or they simply don't have the pull they once had.

Therefore they've had to buy players who are not necessarily the best of the league, yet their reputation comes before them and selling clubs just think its 'rich United', so ask for premium.

 

[TC18]

Was watching a fan YT channel and he was saying before the Glazers United would spend big on 1 player per summer. A player of real quality. Andy Cole, Jaap Stam, Van Nistelrooy, Veron, Rooney, Ronaldo etc. They'd counter that with some squad fillers or young potential but they'd sign a big player per summer window because they wanted to show they were the boss but also add big players to the squad.

When the Glazers came the MO changed to 3 or 4 players but not necessarily the big players they'd craved before. Other than Berbatov they went down the cheaper route but Fergie went along with it.

They then had a few stingy years but once they realised stakeholders will lose interest they've been splashing big money again but this time they can't be the bully in the playground and take the best of the league, as City, Chelsea can match them or they simply don't have the pull they once had.

Therefore they've had to buy players who are not necessarily the best of the league, yet their reputation comes before them and selling clubs just think its 'rich United', so ask for premium.

I remember reading somewhere, possibly Fergies book, that they would spend big on a player because it would normally always work out that the player would stay long term.

I’m sure Rio was used as the example. £28m seemed a lot when they bought him, but he was there for years and helped to bring success. If the player ever wanted out, it was usually always under Utds terms.

Another thing I’ve noticed as well, is that not so long ago all of their players seemed to be on contracts that would allow Utd the option to extend it by another year. Always worked out well for them, for some reason or another, they don’t do this anymore. Perhaps players have more power with negotiating with them nowadays.

The club needs saving from itself really. Woodward never seems to learn from his mistakes and those higher up are happy for it to continue as long as they are profitable. Long may it continue.

 

[Gareth88]

Latest in "visibility that our problems are everyone else's problems"

Allegedly they are going to struggle to buy until they sell, and these are just some of the ones they are on about:

Rojo
Jones
Smalling
Fosu-Mensah (remember when he was really good under LVG?)
Pereira
Mata
Lingard

(https://www.redcafe.net/threads/tim...-biggest-challenge-this-window.456501/page-11)

Only one I would have a look at it Fosu-Mensah

 

[Gareth88]

Yep, see the sponsors?... guy makes money too

I dont know how but I guess its kids and teens that make these videos popular. The acting and presentation on some of them come across as rejected CBBC presenters

 

[Tucker]

Was watching a fan YT channel and he was saying before the Glazers United would spend big on 1 player per summer. A player of real quality. Andy Cole, Jaap Stam, Van Nistelrooy, Veron, Rooney, Ronaldo etc. They'd counter that with some squad fillers or young potential but they'd sign a big player per summer window because they wanted to show they were the boss but also add big players to the squad.

When the Glazers came the MO changed to 3 or 4 players but not necessarily the big players they'd craved before. Other than Berbatov they went down the cheaper route but Fergie went along with it.

They then had a few stingy years but once they realised stakeholders will lose interest they've been splashing big money again but this time they can't be the bully in the playground and take the best of the league, as City, Chelsea can match them or they simply don't have the pull they once had.

Therefore they've had to buy players who are not necessarily the best of the league, yet their reputation comes before them and selling clubs just think its 'rich United', so ask for premium.

I think you can couple this with the landscape changing. United’s financial clout used to mean that they could bully clubs into selling players. But the Premier league is awash with money these days, and they aren’t the only big fish in the pond money wise these days. They’ve gone from having only perhaps Arsenal and Newcastle competing for the big signings to having Chelsea and City with arguably more money than them, Arsenal happy to spend big, Liverpool too. Then us, Everton, Leicester and Wolves all with plenty of cash and able to demand more for transfers as well as offering higher wages in the first place.

United haven’t really adapted to this. What’s worse is they made a terrible appointment in Moyes after Fergie left which set them back massively.

They don’t really seem to have a strategy with signings now either and just splurge on the flavour of the month. They are going balls deep for Sancho, when they have a talented youngster like Greenwood already in his position. When what they are really crying out for is a dominant DM.

 

[Shadydan]

Why is there so much focus on Sancho when they need at least a new CB, I find it pretty astounding that they're not looking for someone to upgrade on Lindelof.

 

[rossdapep]

Why is there so much focus on Sancho when they need at least a new CB, I find it pretty astounding that they're not looking for someone to upgrade on Lindelof.

Apparently thwy really want him so they can push Greenwood inside and still have massive quality wide.

However, I completely agree. They need to spend that money on solid foundations. 2× CBs, a LB, a DM - that's just to start with.

But they've got trapped down this line of having to have the best young talented player and have spent a lot of energy on that move. And Woodward can only do 1 deal at a time.

 

[sausage]

Weird thing about Sancho is that they are apparently open to loaning/selling James because of Greenwood.

I thought James was kicking on really well.

 

[GutBucket]

Sancho is worth the risk, best young player in Europe next to Mbappe, plus it would suck for City fans to see him play there. Hope they panic and do more deals like Ighalo.

 

[Marty]

Why is there so much focus on Sancho when they need at least a new CB, I find it pretty astounding that they're not looking for someone to upgrade on Lindelof.

Tieing down Sancho long term is almost certainly a good deal even if they have some quality in that area already.

But to compete at the level they want to they really desperately need a Lindelöf upgrade and a better CDM than McTominay, Fred or Matic. They're so exposed when teams cut through them.

A club of United's stature really should be able to do all of the above.

 

[Hakkz]

Tieing down Sancho long term is almost certainly a good deal even if they have some quality in that area already.

But to compete at the level they want to they really desperately need a Lindelöf upgrade and a better CDM than McTominay, Fred or Matic. They're so exposed when teams cut through them.

A club of United's stature really should be able to do all of the above.

They are able, not willing. Apparently there is a pattern that when United qualify for CL the Glazers are less inclined to invest, goal achieved.

 

[Marty]

They are able, not willing. Apparently there is a pattern that when United qualify for CL the Glazers are less inclined to invest, goal achieved.

The short-sightedness is unbelievable in that case.

I have ITK from this time last year on United's business practices and the Glazers from a UK journo very close to United who basically said that as long as the club makes money, Woodward is untouchable. There's nobody at the top demanding to win, they only demand to be lucrative and therefore CL qualification is the be all and end all, there's no demand from the club hierarchy to do better than that. And given win bonuses etc. the Glazers would almost prefer a season where they finish second in the league and reach all possible finals and lose them all to actually getting over the line.

It isn't revolutionary information but no surprise at all.

 

[Hakkz]

The short-sightedness is unbelievable in that case.

I have (old) ITK from this time last year on United's business practices and the Glazers from a UK journo who basically said that as long as the club makes money, Woodward is untouchable. It isn't revolutionary information but no surprise at all. There's nobody at the top demanding to win, they only demand to be lucrative and therefore CL qualification is the be all and end all, there's no demand from the club hierarchy to do better than that. And given win bonuses etc. the Glazers would almost prefer a season where they finish second in the league and reach all possible finals and lose them all to actually getting over the line.

Exactly that. They are an ATM-machine for the Glazers. Which is why Ole is safe as long as he doesn't rock the boat. Signing Sancho would be pointless based on their existing qualities. They should throw that money on a player like Upamecano or Brozovic. Maybe even try to steal Ndidi from Leicester.

But no, sign a flashy FIFA player to make the fans happy.

 

[absolute bobbins]

Sancho would do well to avoid them like the fucking plague., have another season ripping it up at Dortmund and get a move to Barça or Real

 

[Hakkz]

Sancho would do well to avoid them like the fucking plague., have another season ripping it up at Dortmund and get a move to Barça or Real

Or Bayern.

 

[absolute bobbins]

Or Bayern.

Or Bayern

 

[Shadydan]

Or Bayern

Or Bayern.

 

[Marty]

Sancho would do well to avoid them like the fucking plague., have another season ripping it up at Dortmund and get a move to Barça or Real

Or, dare I say, Liverpool with Mane going to one of the Spanish clubs.

 

[absolute bobbins]

Or, dare I say, Liverpool with Mane going to one of the Spanish clubs.

Wash your mouth out with soap for uttering such filth

 

[Marty]

Wash your mouth out with soap for uttering such filth

I just have a really strong hunch it's going to happen. Certainly Mane out to one of the Spaniards, then we'll see who Liverpool can replace him with.