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[SUIYHA]

To answer the question about whether we should "expect" forward players to do what Mane did - think of it this way:

You're a defender playing in a big game - the opposition forward gets played through on goal behind the defence and is one-on-one with the keeper. You're sprinting after him. You can go for the tackle from behind and try to stop what is otherwise a certain goal, but it's a big risk as if you mis-time it and bring him down, it's a penalty to the opposition and you're off. You may or may not take that risk depending on what the score is and how far through the game you are, but regardless of whether you are successful or not you know that your fans will berate you if you do nothing and yet you will be off if you get it wrong. It's a tough call to make, but top level sports careers are defined on these sorts of moments.

Mane was at the other end of the pitch. He took the risk. If he'd got it right he'd have an open goal and would have equalised at a crucial point of a big game. But he got it wrong. He jump kicked an opposition player in the face at head height. I'm not one of these "he should be done for attempted murder" types, but there is no absolutely reason whatsoever for him to stay on the pitch after that. End of discussion.

 

[heelspurs]

I'll watch it again, was pretty tanked last night.

Take your point on the intent issue.

I don't know, I just felt he had the right to go for it.

I accept it ended up being wreckless, so I'm wrong I guess.

I just saw the Mane play in real time and from the angle they showed, basically from the coaches technical boxes, I can see how someone would say it was just a 'coming together' and no card whatsoever. So don't feel that you had a mare.

Luckily Jon Moss was positioned from the other direction and was able to see him put his foot up. So this is the first and probably last time I will say this well done Jon Moss. But like you with repeated viewings from alternate angles there is no justification to argue against a red.

 

[Ionman34]

Yeah, that picture above looks bad.

Yep, I've had a mare here fellas.

Takes a bit of courage to hold your hands up. Fair play Pinky

 

[HobbitSpur]

To answer the question about whether we should "expect" forward players to do what Mane did - think of it this way:

You're a defender playing in a big game - the opposition forward gets played through on goal behind the defence and is one-on-one with the keeper. You're sprinting after him. You can go for the tackle from behind and try to stop what is otherwise a certain goal, but it's a big risk as if you mis-time it and bring him down, it's a penalty to the opposition and you're off. You may or may not take that risk depending on what the score is and how far through the game you are, but regardless of whether you are successful or not you know that your fans will berate you if you do nothing and yet you will be off if you get it wrong. It's a tough call to make, but top level sports careers are defined on these sorts of moments.

Mane was at the other end of the pitch. He took the risk. If he'd got it right he'd have an open goal and would have equalised at a crucial point of a big game. But he got it wrong. He jump kicked an opposition player in the face at head height. I'm not one of these "he should be done for attempted murder" types, but there is no absolutely reason whatsoever for him to stay on the pitch after that. End of discussion.

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You are trying to compare apples with oranges.

In the first scenario it clearly states in the rules that a player deliberately stopping a goal scoring opportunity should receive a a red card (words to that effect)

It does not say that attempting to bring the ball down with your foot high in a 50/50 situation and making contact is a red card.

Was it reckless? Yes = booking
Was it excessive force? No = booking

Discussion on-going

 

[schwinebikkje]

If you kick somone in the face like Mane, it should be a red card no matter what.

 

[limmel]

I fail to see on what scenario that, that challenge would not be considered a red card?

 

[Bobbins]

Just checking in - Liverpool are shit again, yeah?

 

[Sweech]

You can take a still photo of a completely fair challenge at can look life threatening. Does not prove anything.

He had every right to go for the ball. Was not acting aggressively, natural to try and bring ball down with foot in that scenario.

Yellow Card and free kick to Liverpool's

Here's the issue with that logic:

Opposing team has a really good CB? Simply loft the ball at them and have your striker karate kick them in the face, with the only caveat that he has to look at the ball while doing so as he wont be showing intent and he has every right to go for the ball.

There's a reason when those long balls go up both players are trying to head the ball instead of high kick it.

 

[spursfan77]

Just checking in - Liverpool are shit again, yeah?

Until our match when we set up playing into their hands once again, yeah.

 

[Spurrific]

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You are trying to compare apples with oranges.

In the first scenario it clearly states in the rules that a player deliberately stopping a goal scoring opportunity should receive a a red card (words to that effect)

It does not say that attempting to bring the ball down with your foot high in a 50/50 situation and making contact is a red card.

Was it reckless? Yes = booking
Was it excessive force? No = booking

Discussion on-going

It wasn't excessive force? Are you high? He kicked Ederson's fucking jaw off.

It was reckless, excessive force, studs up, WAY above knee height and he was completely out of control of the challenge. It was a stone wall red card.

 

[Rogmeister]

Mane was always going to have a brain fart this weekend as I subbed him into my dream team in place of Eriksen of all people. Now to add some more UTD players haha

 

[dudu]

It wasn't excessive force? Are you high? He kicked Ederson's fucking jaw off.

It was reckless, excessive force, studs up, WAY above knee height and he was completely out of control of the challenge. It was a stone wall red card.

These are pretty much the facts.

 

[Chimbo1]

Until our match when we set up playing into their hands once again, yeah.

If we can start the game with Aurier, Sanchez, verts, Toby and Rose, we could do well against their attack

 

[Danny1]

Red card all...day...long!

Unfortunately for Mane it doesn't matter whether it was intentional or not. The fact he has come out & publicly apologised for the accident shows just how bad it was. Mane didn't mean it & was just going for the ball, however that doesn't change the fact that he almost broke Edersons face with a studs up challenge. Also he knew Ederson was coming out as otherwise he wouldn't have lunged so high to get the ball at that time, he would have just carried on running on to it, so that in itself is dangerous play.

As someone said earlier, if you were running full pelt and went through another players knee at the same force and with studs fully up then it would be a red card all day long aswell and no one would be questioning it, strange that as its another players head it seems to be up for debate?

Also, turn the tables, had Mane got to the ball first & Ederson gone through Mane with a fully body blow which would have hurt him a lot, then it would have been a red card for both last man & dangerous play.

 

[Marty]

I think the whole red card debate here just highlights even more the difference in officiating practices when a goalkeeper is involved in the incident. Inside the box we hear all the howls of overprotection where they get free kicks for even the slightest infringements, whereas in an open situation like this 50/50 and particularly outside the box it's almost like some people would give the attackers a free hit at the keeper. Ederson got there first and was then taken out by a high boot to the face, how can that not be a red card?

As someone said earlier, if you were running full pelt and went through another players knee at the same force and with studs fully up then it would be a red card all day long aswell and no one would be questioning it, strange that as its another players head it seems to be up for debate?

This is 100% true and I don't understand it as getting kicked in the head can leave lasting damage in a much worse way than getting your knee shattered.

 

[Gb160]

There's a very good reason we don't see challenges like this every weekend, its because players know if they go in like that they'll see red, its a red because its fucking dangerous, inch or two up and the keeper could've lost an eye...sounds dramatic but its the truth, he had to have stitches in his cheek ffs...Klopp shouldn't be opening his mouth until he's seen it from all possible angles, as someone said from where he was it might not have looked too bad.
I cannot believe this is still being debated tbh.

 

[Spurrific]

There's a very good reason we don't see challenges like this every weekend, its because players know if they go in like that they'll see red, its a red because its fucking dangerous, inch or two up and the keeper could've lost an eye...sounds dramatic but its the truth, he had to have stitches in his cheek ffs...Klopp shouldn't be opening his mouth until he's seen it from all possible angles, as someone said from where he was it might not have looked too bad.
I cannot believe this is still being debated tbh.

It's because you get dickheads like Gary Neville (who I normally like) acting like it was a bad decision and it's stupid to agree with it.

 

[Gb160]

It's because you get dickheads like Gary Neville (who I normally like) acting like it was a bad decision and it's stupid to agree with it.

Exactly, Graham Poll commented earlier that pundits have a responsibility to condemn this sort of thing...I wonder how many kids in playgrounds today got a boot in the face because some pundits and ex pros have said it was a harsh red and Mane had every right to go for it?
Poll was spot on...and it really doesn't help that Liverpool are now going to appeal the length of the ban, fucking idiots.

 

[Spurrific]

Exactly, Graham Poll commented earlier that pundits have a responsibility to condemn this sort of thing...I wonder how many kids in playgrounds today got a boot in the face because some pundits and ex pros have said it was a harsh red and Mane had every right to go for it?
Poll was spot on...and it really doesn't help that Liverpool are now going to appeal the length of the ban, fucking idiots.

Hopefully they extend the ban, for the sheer temerity shown in appealing

 

[Jamturk]