Let's All Laugh At... Let's all laugh at Liverpool thread

Toela65

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Cant see Suarez staying. He will be off ASAP.

Cant say the game here will miss him.
He's just signed a new long term contract that will be officially announced in the coming week. He's going nowhere yet. Shame we can't have that approach with all our best players.

We have a really good spine to the team and need 3-4 quality players added on but the club has decided that it is better to sell the really good players who consist that spine to earn more money. I think we are now taking the Arsenal approach only we don't have Wenger to get us through it.
 

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Right my turn :) :

GK - Friedel v Reina - Probably take Reina due to age, but its pretty close.
RB - Walker v Johnson - Walker all ... day ... long ...
CB - Kaboul v Skrtel - Again pretty close but Kaboul has better attributes.
CB - Vertonghen v Agger - Time will tell.
LB - Assou-Ekotto v Enrique - Both similar levels.
CM - Sandro v Lucas - Sandro for me.
CM - Modric v Gerrard - Modric is better hence the imminent move to Real Madrid!
LM - Bale v Downing - Ahem ha-ha, no contest!
RM - Van der Vaart v Henderson - Ahem ha-ha, no contest!
AM - Sigurdsson v Suarez - Even though he is a dirty rotten rat faced scum bag Suarez is a good player & is better than Sigs at this moment.
ST - Adebayor v Borini - Adebayor is double the player Borini is at the moment.

See. I think a lot of that is deluded and your doing the exact same thing that the people on RAWK have been accused off.

For example, an objective fan at this very moment would pick Agger or Vertonghen as one is proven and being chased by Barcelona and the other is a hot young player who one day could be better than Agger, but he isn't yet.

I'd say Skrtel is much better that Kaboul. He was a PLayer of the Year last year and is also wanted by some top clubs that we'll be struggling to fend off. The man was a one-man defence last season winning every header and scoring a good few goals for a centre back too.

Again, to a non-Spurs fan they aren't going to say Sandro is better than Lucas YET.

Modric and Gerrard don't play the same position. Gerrad plays behind the striker most of the time. He would be better compared to Sigurdsson or VDV.

Henderson is not a RW except for a few games Dalglish, who didn't have a clue, played him there and it failed miserably. He is a Centre Mid and thats all where he will play from now on. He plays the Allen role inbetween Defensive and Attacking Midfield. He should certainly not be compared to VDV as their positions aren't comparable.

So, basically, you have been heavily biased towards your own team (as I expect you will think I am being to my team) and haven't compared players who play in the same position. Exactly what the tits on RAWK were accused of.

Is there anything wrong with this? NO, not at all as its all part of being a fan. It is alos as well that a fans sees their teamplay every minute of every game over a whole season and knows everything about their performance level, form and ability etc.

Fans of teams other than your own have not done this, and at best judge them based on the 10 mins they see on MOTD and the two games they play against your own team (if they play that is). Personally, I don't feel the majority of fans who don't support your team aren't in a position to properly judge the players as they haven't seen enough of them as well as them being judged through a biased filter.

Hopefully this boring post brings my point home of how pointless these types of threads and team comparisons are as you are NEVER going to get a fair handed opinion of th clubs other than your own and you will never get an objective team comparison as this will also be biased in some way.

Hope you are all well though and enjoying the bit of Summer we seem to be getting the last few days (well up here anyway!)
 

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1) Perfect example of why these threads are pointless.

Every fans clubs do it. I have seen several threads on Liverpool, Arsenal, Villa and Not606 called "Lets all Laugh at Spurs" where you will find numerous postings comparing players etc that too non-Spurs fans also sound as deluded as those LFC fans do.

I always laugh when I see these soughts of thread as they appear on EVERY forums with a different teams name in the title and then claims of said fans being deluded.

I have seen some stuff on that .TV forum which is just laughable over the last couple of years so were all capable of being biased towards our team and over-exaggerating how bad our rivals are etc and then rival fans reading this and thinking their 'deluded'.

Spurs fans say plenty of stuff that make LFC fans think their on crack, LFC fans say stuff that Man U fans think is deluded, Gooner fans say stuff we all thinks deluded, Newcastle fans say etc etc. Round and round we go.

To think that it is only LFC fans who say stuff like this just means your blind to the fact your own team and other rivals teams all say stuff that to other fans seems deluded.

Were all just as bad.

2) P.S on my two LFC forums no-one is talking about top 4 or title challenge. I haven't heard LFC fans talking about challenging for the title since 2009 yet we are alway accused of claiming we can win the league or come top 4 etc etc and that just isn't the case accept for a few idiots.

The problem with the internet and things like Twitter is that it has given a very vocal pl;atform for a teams minority dickheads to spout their ridiculous opinions. The stuff you read on RAWK, or Twitter or comment sections are not what anybody who actually has a season ticket thinks yet because of these mediums all LFC fans get tarred with the same brush.

If rival fans actually came and spent a week with normal, match-going Liverpool fans I get the feeling they would be in for a shock as we are nothing like the agenda-driven media suggests.
1) Anyone who thinks Suarez is even in the same ball-park as Rooney is delusional - FACT. No, yo don't always get it - I am yet to see anyone on here claim Defoe is better than Rooney ;)

2) I think it comes from RAWK and the FACT that every radio football call-in show (such as 606) seems to be puncuated by calls from Liverpool fans (often with genuine Scouron accents) screamer downtheir receivers that Liverpool have to be challenging for the title, and this year Liverpool will be challenging for the title.

I can assure you, that in the season Spurs qualified for the CL for the first time, after reasoning through progress being made at WHL, etc., and dispassionately analysing Liverpool's squad and trends at Anfield, I tried having a proppa discussion with the Scouron who lives at the bottom of my block of flats (genuine born and bred Scouron, with genuine accent), and he found it inconveivible, incomprehensible even, any could seriously believe Spurs would finish above Liverpool, was adamant that Spurs would not finish in the top 4 (it was just literally impossible, and to claim otherwise was, apparently, tosh), and that Liverpool would be mounting a genuine title challenge. I had the last laugh, for the first time ever, at the start of the season, I had placed a bet on Spurs finishing position in the league - I had twenty notes on THFC to finish in the top four at 9 - 2. As for him, he is still convinced that no-one could understand football better than him because he grew up watching Liverpool and they won everything. Between knowing individual Scourons like him, listening to football phone-ins, ex-Liverpool players on TV and RAWK, I kinda get the impression that Liverpool fans do think they should win the title every year, and will be serious contenders for the title every year. Maybe you and your friends are different, maybe you have hived off from these Scourons and we just happen to get bombarded with their nonsense, but we don't seem to hear much form the sensibles that you claim to represent.

For the record, Spurs fans are exactly the opposite: Daniel Levy could be about to plant the flag on top of Everest, and the majority of Spurs fans would be berating anyone that was happy that this wasn't going to happen and was just another false dawn. Some would even claim it was an optical illusion ;)

Incidentally, anyone see the (alleged) comments by Sahin:

"If I'm forced to temporarily leave England is a league that interests me. I always have admired teams like Manchester, Arsenal and Chelsea. Tottenham are a good team, and Mourinho has told me that Villas Boas is a very good guy. It would be kind of funny when Modric went to Madrid, and I went to London "

"I would not be interested in a team that are not competitive, such as Newcastle or Liverpool. When I am gone, I would like to improve as a player and to do that I have play with other quality players, which I do not have at those clubs."

The emphasis is my own :ROFLMAO:
 

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Lucas was hated by most of them I thought then suddenly he was the best player in the world. Liverpool cant just have good players though, they are either not good enough for the club (Aquilanni, Carroll), world class (lucas and Suarez) or Club legends (Carragher and Gerrard).

Must be amazing to be a Liverpool supporter. /dislike every Liverpool fan I know :p
Go and have a look at Lucas' stats compared to the other players in his position. he has been quality the last 2 seasons and was on Red hot from before he got injured. A lot of fans needed to see the team without him in it to realise how good and important he was/is.

Another example of what I was saying above. If you had watched Lucas every game he played the last 2 or 3 seasons you would understand why LFC fans love him so much as a player but off the field too. You would also realise what an absolute quality defensive midfielder he is unless you had an agenda. He'll be our next Captain. I've found this statistical comparison but its very rudimentary compared to Opta/Epl Index.
 

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I don't think the media helps Liverpool at times. There are so many Liverpool players form the 80's working as pundit and journalists that they get bigged up even when they are clearly going downhill.

On the BBC website at the beginning of last season they had around 20 people predict the top four. Over half had Liverpool in the top four and not one had Spurs. I put bets on with my Liverpool supporting mates that we'd finish above them a couple agreed and gave me some easy money and the others were smart enough to not touch it with a bargepole even when I offered to put in twice as much as their bet.

All teams fans have their over-the-top optimists, miserable gits who think they're useless and then level headed people who judge it about right. Liverpool get more cases of being branded delusional than most other teams due to the high number of scouse fans calling into radio shows claiming they're about to win everything and pundits like Hansen and Lawro thinking the same.
 

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Ah the thugs over at Liverpool just cant help themself can they?

"Liverpool continued pre-season preparations earlier today with a behind-closed-doors friendly with Rochdale Town at Melwood, which was abandoned after 55 minutes as a result of a serious injury to one of the Lancashire club's players.

Rochdale striker Reece Gray suffered a serious ankle injury in the 50th minute of the game**, and it sounds like a major incident, especially given the fact he was rushed to Accident and Emergency for an urgent operation. Reece tweeted from the hospital:
"Thanks for all the messages people. Really appreciate it!.. Jus hope that the op goes well, and should be back playing football soon as!""
This is ridiculous now. Are you really serious? It was a complete accident where the poor lad when over really badly on his ankle. We gave him the best care from our doctors, and got him sorted out at hospital and everything thus him saying how greatful he was etc etc.

We even went as far as calling the game off there and then. It had nothing to do with any of our players from whats been reported and sounds like it was a freak accident unfortunately.
 

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Go and have a look at Lucas' stats compared to the other players in his position. he has been quality the last 2 seasons and was on Red hot from before he got injured. A lot of fans needed to see the team without him in it to realise how good and important he was/is.

Another example of what I was saying above. If you had watched Lucas every game he played the last 2 or 3 seasons you would understand why LFC fans love him so much as a player but off the field too. You would also realise what an absolute quality defensive midfielder he is unless you had an agenda. He'll be our next Captain. I've found this statistical comparison but its very rudimentary compared to Opta/Epl Index.
In all seriousness, I have been more impressed by Lucas over the last couple of seasons than when he first arrived - but stats can be very misleading, Lucas is not the greatest player in the league, as many Liverpool supporters appear to believe ;)
 

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Ah the thugs over at Liverpool just cant help themself can they?

"Liverpool continued pre-season preparations earlier today with a behind-closed-doors friendly with Rochdale Town at Melwood, which was abandoned after 55 minutes as a result of a serious injury to one of the Lancashire club's players.

Rochdale striker Reece Gray suffered a serious ankle injury in the 50th minute of the game**, and it sounds like a major incident, especially given the fact he was rushed to Accident and Emergency for an urgent operation. Reece tweeted from the hospital:
"Thanks for all the messages people. Really appreciate it!.. Jus hope that the op goes well, and should be back playing football soon as!""
Here's the proof before I'm labelled a liar:

http://menmedia.co.uk/manchestereveningnews/sport/football/s/1585387_friendlies-round-up-bad-break-for-rochdale-fcs-reece-gray

He later tweeted his thanks to all at LFC for the way he was treated and the care he was given etc:

Reece also praised Liverpool medical staff for their swift action:

"Can't thank all the club doctors/physio's enough that were on hand too assist me 2day at melwood... Really appreciate it"
But no, its just Liverpool are a club of thugs from start to finish who got out on purpose to break players ankles. It isn't really just one fat, slow player from Scotland who can't play football or tackle for the life of him, now its the whole club and every player in it.

Ridiculous.
 

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Perfect example. No real Liverpool fans expect a title challenge or to finish top 4. All we want to see is improvement from last season and a better brand of football on the pitch and we'll be happy for now.
You know what though unfortunately for you guys that talk more sense, there are a lot of Liverpool fans that still live in the eighties in their heads:) I do think they will be more of a force this year though and we would be very naive to think otherwise
 

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Here's the proof before I'm labelled a liar:

http://menmedia.co.uk/manchestereveningnews/sport/football/s/1585387_friendlies-round-up-bad-break-for-rochdale-fcs-reece-gray

He later tweeted his thanks to all at LFC for the way he was treated and the care he was given etc:

Reece also praised Liverpool medical staff for their swift action:



But no, its just Liverpool are a club of thugs from start to finish who got out on purpose to break players ankles. It isn't really just one fat, slow player from Scotland who can't play football or tackle for the life of him, now its the whole club and every player in it.

Ridiculous.
Yeah...but, TBF, you did threaten to nail his head to the floor if he didn't say that ;)
 

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See. I think a lot of that is deluded and your doing the exact same thing that the people on RAWK have been accused off.

For example, an objective fan at this very moment would pick Agger or Vertonghen as one is proven and being chased by Barcelona and the other is a hot young player who one day could be better than Agger, but he isn't yet.

I'd say Skrtel is much better that Kaboul. He was a PLayer of the Year last year and is also wanted by some top clubs that we'll be struggling to fend off. The man was a one-man defence last season winning every header and scoring a good few goals for a centre back too.

Again, to a non-Spurs fan they aren't going to say Sandro is better than Lucas YET.

Modric and Gerrard don't play the same position. Gerrad plays behind the striker most of the time. He would be better compared to Sigurdsson or VDV.

Henderson is not a RW except for a few games Dalglish, who didn't have a clue, played him there and it failed miserably. He is a Centre Mid and thats all where he will play from now on. He plays the Allen role inbetween Defensive and Attacking Midfield. He should certainly not be compared to VDV as their positions aren't comparable.

So, basically, you have been heavily biased towards your own team (as I expect you will think I am being to my team) and haven't compared players who play in the same position. Exactly what the tits on RAWK were accused of.

Is there anything wrong with this? NO, not at all as its all part of being a fan. It is alos as well that a fans sees their teamplay every minute of every game over a whole season and knows everything about their performance level, form and ability etc.

Fans of teams other than your own have not done this, and at best judge them based on the 10 mins they see on MOTD and the two games they play against your own team (if they play that is). Personally, I don't feel the majority of fans who don't support your team aren't in a position to properly judge the players as they haven't seen enough of them as well as them being judged through a biased filter.

Hopefully this boring post brings my point home of how pointless these types of threads and team comparisons are as you are NEVER going to get a fair handed opinion of th clubs other than your own and you will never get an objective team comparison as this will also be biased in some way.

Hope you are all well though and enjoying the bit of Summer we seem to be getting the last few days (well up here anyway!)
Kaboul won player of the year last year as well as being in some PL teams of the year and De Boer was telling Verts he should go Barca and not Arsenal or Spurs
 

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I'd go;

GK - Friedel v Reina - Reina
RB - Walker v Johnson - Walker
CB - Kaboul v Skrtel - Kaboul
CB - Vertonghen v Agger - Vertonghen
LB - Assou-Ekotto v Enrique - Hard one, I'd be biased and say Ekotto but I'm not sure.
CM - Sandro v Lucas - Sandro
CM - Modric v Gerrard - I'd have to say Modric, though I think Gerrard was better than Luka.
LM - Bale v Downing - Downing. Only joking, of course Bale.
RM - van der Vaart v Henderson - van der Vaart
AM - Sigurdsson v Suarez - Suarez
ST - Adebayor v Borini - Adebayor

Tottenham 9-2 Liverpool

8-3 giving Enrique the benefit of the doubt. No contest, they're wank nowadays.
 

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Go and have a look at Lucas' stats compared to the other players in his position. he has been quality the last 2 seasons and was on Red hot from before he got injured. A lot of fans needed to see the team without him in it to realise how good and important he was/is.

Another example of what I was saying above. If you had watched Lucas every game he played the last 2 or 3 seasons you would understand why LFC fans love him so much as a player but off the field too. You would also realise what an absolute quality defensive midfielder he is unless you had an agenda. He'll be our next Captain. I've found this statistical comparison but its very rudimentary compared to Opta/Epl Index.
Stats don't exactly prove how good a player is. I am not DOUBTING Lucas is a good player, but Liverpool fans suddenly had a change of heart and then claimed he is world class and evidently still do DESPITE missing a season out injured. His real test will be the upcoming season, if he can get back to where he was then yes, he will be up there as one of the best DM/CMs in the league. Not the best Brazilian one though;)
 

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Crazy post from that guy on RAWK, but I don't think it is the time to laugh at Liverpool. They had a shocking season last year, partly due to injuries (which every club has), partly due to thinking that hitting the post was the same as scoring a goal (how the hell did they hit the woodwork so many times) and partly due to shocking management.

I think they'll be a lot better this season and they actually have some decent components to their team, far better than where they finished anyway. Skrtl and Agger are a very good centre back pairing. Obviously we saw Skrtl get ripped a new one when they played us at the lane, but he played right back and Bale was simply too much for him to handle. With those two in front of a still decent, but slightly declining Reina they'll still be solid defensively.

I think with Rodgers they will get back to a passing game, which might not really suit the midfielders they have. I actually like Lucas, he gets under-rated by everyone because he gets so over-rated by the Liverpool fans. But every club does that with a player or two as we do with say BAE (who is very good but he is a cult hero so obviously in our minds he is even better than he is). They definitely missed Lucas last season and will be better off with him anchoring the midfield. No idea if Gerrard will ever get close to is previous level, I doubt it, and Henderson isn't particularly special.

As much as we all dislike him Suarez is an excellent forward, although he didn't score enough goals for Liverpool last season.

I think they'll be massively improved this season compared to last.
 

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That Standard Chartered thing is pretty hilarious though, if that goes tits-up for them, they are going to have a real challenge ahead, and it's got nothing to do with football, but will no doubt affect things on the pitch as they are reluctant to back their new manager as it is. Classic.

I think if that happens, we should just rename this thread, quite simply, 'Lolopool'
 

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See. I think a lot of that is deluded and your doing the exact same thing that the people on RAWK have been accused off.

For example, an objective fan at this very moment would pick Agger or Vertonghen as one is proven and being chased by Barcelona and the other is a hot young player who one day could be better than Agger, but he isn't yet.

I'd say Skrtel is much better that Kaboul. He was a PLayer of the Year last year and is also wanted by some top clubs that we'll be struggling to fend off. The man was a one-man defence last season winning every header and scoring a good few goals for a centre back too.

Again, to a non-Spurs fan they aren't going to say Sandro is better than Lucas YET.

Modric and Gerrard don't play the same position. Gerrad plays behind the striker most of the time. He would be better compared to Sigurdsson or VDV.

Henderson is not a RW except for a few games Dalglish, who didn't have a clue, played him there and it failed miserably. He is a Centre Mid and thats all where he will play from now on. He plays the Allen role inbetween Defensive and Attacking Midfield. He should certainly not be compared to VDV as their positions aren't comparable.

So, basically, you have been heavily biased towards your own team (as I expect you will think I am being to my team) and haven't compared players who play in the same position. Exactly what the tits on RAWK were accused of.

Is there anything wrong with this? NO, not at all as its all part of being a fan. It is alos as well that a fans sees their teamplay every minute of every game over a whole season and knows everything about their performance level, form and ability etc.

Fans of teams other than your own have not done this, and at best judge them based on the 10 mins they see on MOTD and the two games they play against your own team (if they play that is). Personally, I don't feel the majority of fans who don't support your team aren't in a position to properly judge the players as they haven't seen enough of them as well as them being judged through a biased filter.

Hopefully this boring post brings my point home of how pointless these types of threads and team comparisons are as you are NEVER going to get a fair handed opinion of th clubs other than your own and you will never get an objective team comparison as this will also be biased in some way.

Hope you are all well though and enjoying the bit of Summer we seem to be getting the last few days (well up here anyway!)

Errr... basically what you're saying is the CB comparisons are wrong and Gerrad and Henderson should be swapped in the comparisons - right? That leaves comparisons of...

GK - Friedel v Reina
RB - Walker v Johnson
CB - Kaboul v Skrtel
CB - Vertonghen v Agger
LB - Assou-Ekotto v Enrique
CM - Sandro v Lucas
CM - Modric v Henderson
LM - Bale v Downing
RM - Van der Vaart v Gerrard
AM - Sigurdsson v Suarez
ST - Adebayor v Borini

Which I think if you got an objective fan to look at it then the best Liverpool could do would be 3 wins (Reina, Agger and Suarez) with maybe 2 draws (Sandro vs. Lucas and BAE vs. Enrique). Which when it comes down to it is why we finished comfortably above Liverpool last season.

I think generally these kind of comparisons look stupid on any teams website but from a purely anecdotal point of view, I've encountered a greater level of delusion amongst Liverpool supporters than any other fans. That Man U vs. Liverpool post being a perfect example - favourable comparisons against a team that finished 40 odd points above Liverpool are always going to look especially ridiculous. It's like me doing a Spurs vs. Barcelona comparison with lots of 'Advantage Spurs' in it.

One of the Liverpool supporters I know actually had the audacity to say that 'deep down every football fan wishes they were a Liverpool fan and able to sing YNWA at the kop end'. Crazy arrogance routed in a very distant, but admittedly successful, past methinks.
 

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A big lol that Skrtel is better than Kaboul.

Agger better than Vertoghen though not even close imo
 

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i was about to LOL the same thing

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