Let's All Laugh At... Let's all laugh at Chelsea thread

[ajspurs]

I just can't see us adding to our team in the way that I think so many Spurs fans would like to see for quite a while. Even when we do seem on the way to doing so with a few signings, we still ultimately end up coming off short of what we actually need. Every window it's the same lines we hear of needing to sell or limited funds.

I think my expectations are just very low now. I'm anticipating falling down the pecking order and anticipating losing Kane but I hope when we need to rebuild we actually do it with some ambition. God I sound like a miserable prick and the restart hasn't even come about but it's very frustrating to see Chelsea splash £50m even within the current circumstances.

It just really annoys me how players like Kane, Dele and Son in despite how well they've done and contributed to us being where we're at now, for years haven't seen any world class players come through the door to join the them. Dybala would have been so massive, for more than what he'd do on the pitch but for what he'd do to the dressing room, for the lads to see someone like that arriving it would completely galvanise and fire them up, raise their levels. It's not always the answer but I still think that's so important for a 'big' club. If you're not doing that then you at least need to fill the holes in the side with quality.

For the Chelsea players, especially as they're a young squad to have Ziyech and Werner join them in training will do so much for them as a team.

 

[danielneeds]

I just can't see us adding to our team in the way that I think so many Spurs fans would like to see for quite a while. Even when we do seem on the way to doing so with a few signings, we still ultimately end up coming off short of what we actually need. Every window it's the same lines we hear of needing to sell or limited funds.

I think my expectations are just very low now. I'm anticipating falling down the pecking order and anticipating losing Kane but I hope when we need to rebuild we actually do it with some ambition. God I sound like a miserable prick and the restart hasn't even come about but it's very frustrating to see Chelsea splash £50m even within the current circumstances.

It just really annoys me how players like Kane, Dele and Son in despite how well they've done and contributed to us being where we're at now, for years haven't seen any world class players come through the door to join the them. Dybala would have been so massive, for more than what he'd do on the pitch but for what he'd do to the dressing room, for the lads to see someone like that arriving it would completely galvanise and fire them up, raise their levels. It's not always the answer but I still think that's so important for a 'big' club. If you're not doing that then you at least need to fill the holes in the side with quality.

For the Chelsea players, especially as they're a young squad to have Ziyech and Werner join them in training will do so much for them as a team.

I think we have to accept that the best we can hope for is a more balanced side next season. If we can sign a couple of good free transfers like Meunier and Willian, swap KWP for Hojbjerg and sell Aurier and Rose and spend the £20m+ on a competent, athletic reserve striker, then at least we can approach the next campaign with some hope.

 

[jurgen]

I remember when we were told that Chelsea were f@cked and wouldn’t be a problem any more

 

[ajspurs]

I think we have to accept that the best we can hope for is a more balanced side next season. If we can sign a couple of good free transfers like Meunier and Willian, swap KWP for Hojbjerg and sell Aurier and Rose and spend the £20m+ on a competent, athletic reserve striker, then at least we can approach the next campaign with some hope.

It's the best we can hope for, but if other rivals show the same ambition as Chelsea have it most likely won't be enough. It's only so long that you can get away with relying on virtually the same players to bail you out each year without giving them sufficient support.

 

[danielneeds]

It's the best we can hope for, but if other rivals show the same ambition as Chelsea have it most likely won't be enough. It's only so long that you can get away with relying on virtually the same players to bail you out each year without giving them sufficient support.

I don’t think many teams will be spending much this summer. Maybe only United.

 

[GutBucket]

Brilliant signings for them. great young players and young coach (relatively speaking) who will improve them. They'll be a problem for a long time.

 

[riggi]

We are their West Ham.

 

[Marty]

It's the best we can hope for, but if other rivals show the same ambition as Chelsea have it most likely won't be enough. It's only so long that you can get away with relying on virtually the same players to bail you out each year without giving them sufficient support.

I don’t think many teams will be spending much this summer. Maybe only United.

I don't think even United will. "Everyone" pulled out of this Werner deal because they weren't able to match the release clause, and then Chelsea swooped in. I think that says a lot about how that club is run, they don't worry as much about the balance sheet as most other clubs do and they might well be gambling on FFP rules being relaxed for a period after this crisis so clubs can receive (often necessary lower down the league) financial boosters.

 

[he is you know!]

Brilliant signings for them. great young players and young coach (relatively speaking) who will improve them. They'll be a problem for a long time.

Don't disagree and they may well be very good signings, but as we know ourselves not every signing hit's the ground running. Would also class them as experienced not young, 24 and 27 aren't young compared to what they've already got (Pulisic, James, CHO, Sinclair, etc).

 

[rossdapep]

I don't think even United will. "Everyone" pulled out of this Werner deal because they weren't able to match the release clause, and then Chelsea swooped in. I think that says a lot about how that club is run, they don't worry as much about the balance sheet as most other clubs do and they might well be gambling on FFP rules being relaxed for a period after this crisis so clubs can receive (often necessary lower down the league) financial boosters.

Exactly. If Liverpool are pulling out of a deal for a player they really wanted at a reasonable rate (in recent market terms), I think that explains everything.

The likes of Chelsea and City (although FFP may have forced upon them) will be able to continue as normal, whilst everyone else will be operating at a different level. In fact I wouldn't be surprised if Chelsea have a spending spree, they didn't spend last summer and they may feel that they can obtain a lot of targets unchallenged.

Our situation is vastly different. We rely heavily on CL money and our stadium intake, next season we may have no CL and a year of zero gate-receipts will be a major problem. We've also got the banks breathing down out necks.

Now this is where smart scouting and recruitment will come to play. We've been here before too. The season we challenged Leicester our spend was relatively low, whereas City, Chelsea, United were all spending in excess of 100m.

If Mourinho can put his contacts to great use we may get a couple of bargains.

 

[he is you know!]

I don't think even United will. "Everyone" pulled out of this Werner deal because they weren't able to match the release clause, and then Chelsea swooped in. I think that says a lot about how that club is run, they don't worry as much about the balance sheet as most other clubs do and they might well be gambling on FFP rules being relaxed for a period after this crisis so clubs can receive (often necessary lower down the league) financial boosters.

All they are doing is spending the money they will receive from the Morata sale (a deal which has lost them 9m on their original purchase) plus 5/6m. It's very likely that they will sell Jorginho at the end of season too, so their net spend may only be 20m.

 

[dontcallme]

All they are doing is spending the money they will receive from the Morata sale (a deal which has lost them 9m on their original purchase) plus 5/6m. It's very likely that they will sell Jorginho at the end of season too, so their net spend may only be 20m.

I am of the view that many clubs won't be in a position to over value their players like they could in recent years.

We could take a loss on the likes of Aurier, Sissoko and others but could still use those funds to buy some good young players.

 

['O Zio]

This is what annoys me.

People say no one will come to us because of Kane but Abraham’s has clearly been first choice for them yet they bring Werner in.

Yes I know Kane is a lot more high profile (at the moment) but Abraham is pretty much their number 1 striker so how are both gonna play?

Not a comparable situation at all.

Kane is one of the top strikers in Europe and "one of us" etc. Anyone joining us knows they'll never take over his spot.

Abrahams on the other hand is a decent young player but he's hardly irreplaceable. He may be first choice but that's largely because they don't have anyone better rather than because he's so unstoppable The likes of Werner know that they can complete for his spot.

 

[nailsy]

I don't think even United will. "Everyone" pulled out of this Werner deal because they weren't able to match the release clause, and then Chelsea swooped in. I think that says a lot about how that club is run, they don't worry as much about the balance sheet as most other clubs do and they might well be gambling on FFP rules being relaxed for a period after this crisis so clubs can receive (often necessary lower down the league) financial boosters.

They've still got most of the money from the Hazard deal to spend as well. They should be ok with FFP for a while.

 

[Timberwolf]

Not a comparable situation at all.

Kane is one of the top strikers in Europe and "one of us" etc. Anyone joining us knows they'll never take over his spot.

Abrahams on the other hand is a decent young player but he's hardly irreplaceable. He may be first choice but that's largely because they don't have anyone better rather than because he's so unstoppable The likes of Werner know that they can complete for his spot.

Also Werner is a v.useful wide forward and is as comfortable cutting in off the left as he is playing as a no.9 (a bit like Son) so I suspect they will play plenty of games together.

 

[Timberwolf]

I just can't see us adding to our team in the way that I think so many Spurs fans would like to see for quite a while. Even when we do seem on the way to doing so with a few signings, we still ultimately end up coming off short of what we actually need. Every window it's the same lines we hear of needing to sell or limited funds.

I think my expectations are just very low now. I'm anticipating falling down the pecking order and anticipating losing Kane but I hope when we need to rebuild we actually do it with some ambition. God I sound like a miserable prick and the restart hasn't even come about but it's very frustrating to see Chelsea splash £50m even within the current circumstances.

It just really annoys me how players like Kane, Dele and Son in despite how well they've done and contributed to us being where we're at now, for years haven't seen any world class players come through the door to join the them. Dybala would have been so massive, for more than what he'd do on the pitch but for what he'd do to the dressing room, for the lads to see someone like that arriving it would completely galvanise and fire them up, raise their levels. It's not always the answer but I still think that's so important for a 'big' club. If you're not doing that then you at least need to fill the holes in the side with quality.

For the Chelsea players, especially as they're a young squad to have Ziyech and Werner join them in training will do so much for them as a team.

Yeah it's really frustrating and in many ways our timing was unfortunate. Just as we were finally pushing to challenge at the very highest level on the pitch, we happened to be making our biggest investment in the club's history off the pitch too. Had the timing of the stadium build been a bit different we might have had more cash to seriously invest and develop the squad like Chelsea have done and really pushed hard for trophies. And now, just to rub it in, when we were on the brink of reaping in the spoils of the stadium events money, Covid-19 shits all over that too.

Chelsea on the other hand have been truly blessed in their timing - they were the first club to get a mega money buy out when they were on the brink of insolvency, managed to maximise their spending prior to FFP kicking in, churned their way through half the top managers in the world while somehow consistently winning trophies, then just when it should have all fallen apart, their army of youngsters all came through and saved them. Truly the jammiest club in world football, and annoyingly quite well run now.

I suspect we'll be in a period of transition for the next 3-4 years or so and ultimately our future success will depend on how we spend the Kane/Son money (when that sad day comes), the manager we bring in, and whether Levy and ENIC are willing to invest serious money to win trophies once the dust settles and the economic fallout of Covid-19 eases off.

 

[danielneeds]

Apparently they’ve bid £75m for Havertz.

 

[SargeantMeatCurtains]

Apparently they’ve bid £75m for Havertz.

It would take Leverkusen £100m to even consider it. I’d be shocked if they even entertained a bid.

 

[Univarn]

It would take Leverkusen £100m to even consider it. I’d be shocked if they even entertained a bid.

Entirely depends on their finances and I don't think anyone really knows where many clubs stand. There will be a significant number of players on the market this summer at clubs who just a few months ago could have asked for the moon and will now need to accept just that bit less in order to get by. Doesn't mean players like him will leave way below market but Chelsea definitely seem to recognize this is a kingmaker market if you are willing to splash the funds and are trying to strike early before Newcastle enter the arena.

 

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