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DJS

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What I felt about the final was that without Willian there was very little guile and he was sitting on the bench .
I think that Lampard has cut off his nose to spite his face and he left Willian out of the side because he has obviously declined to resign for them . So as a manager do you pick Willian and the team is stronger or you drop him to prove a point . If he dropped Willian to prove some kind of point then he will never be a really successful manager because the best managers always pick the side with the best chance of winning rather than leave someone out to prove a point whether that point is petty or important .

I don’t think it was just due to Willian not signing, it’s also to do with the fact he has been heavily linked with the gooners, which was kinda awkward.

Surprised Hudson-Odei hasn’t been starting more?
 

GutBucket

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Stolen from elsewhere/FB

Impressive first season for Frank Lampard!

•Took Chelsea from 3rd to 4th
•Got six points fewer than Sarri
•Conceded as many league goals as Brighton
•Lost the FA Cup final to an 8th placed Arsenal

And of course that one time he did something somewhat impressive is when he surprised us with a different formation (back 3) against us.
 

Push & Run

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I must say all these " lets laugh at Chelsea or whoever " are a joke as I dont think we are in a position to poke fun at anyone and if we ever got into a position to be the top dogs regards football then that is even more reason to not poke fun at other clubs as it would show an arrogance and a bully boy attitude not to mention so shallow that its something I would not want to be associated with .
I think a forum that says " give credit for what other clubs have done " would show a bit of class as the " lets laugh at line " just shows insecurity and jealousness .
Totally agree, as much as I hate the club, created through blood money from a Russian gangster with fans who just jump on the band waggon of succes but wouldn't appreciate a good game of football if it bit their arse, BUT they have beaten us twice, played better football and have a strong nucleus which they can build from SO why are we being so superior when we should be looking to put our own house in order first.
COYS
 

Marty

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Chelsea going from strength to strength...
They haven't done anything to fix the defence yet. Right now it looks like they want to break the combined PL goals per game record, counting both scored and conceded.

It might get them third but not the title.
 

cider spurs

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Rags have them rumored to Chilwell, Koulibaly and Ben White.

I certainly see them getting another CB in.
 
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Moving this to here so as to not drag this one off topic https://www.spurscommunity.co.uk/index.php?threads/realistic-expectations-for-2020-21.142507/page-22


Wow.... can only imagine what you think we would achieve if we had signed Ziyech & Werner and were close to signing Havertz, T.Silva & Chilwell.

I can - it's just 2020's version of 2013's summer transfer window.

Sign a load of names that Football Manager fanboys can touch their genitals over, act dumbfounded when all the young players who worked theirs off in the previous season get miffed that their progression is now blocked by new signings, wonder why there's suddenly no squad cohesion, and then sit back and watch it unfold as an inexperience manager fails to control the friction.

Every season one team has a go at fantasy football and, more often than not, it ends in tears.

This is their senior squad:

Goalkeepers
Kepa / Caballero

Defenders
Miazga / Rudiger / Alonso / Christensen / Zouma / James / Azpilcueta / Tomori / Emersen Palmeri / Clarke-Salter / Baba Rahman / Ampadu / Zappacosta

Midfielders
Kante / Barkley / Loftus-Cheek / Ziyech / Jorginho / Bakayoko / Kovacic / Mount / Gilmour / Drinkwater / Van Ginkel

Forwards
Werner / Abraham / Giroud / Hudson-Odoi / Batshuayi / Piazon / Musonda / Kenedy / Pulisic


So, basically, they are stacking their team where they don't need it.

Granted they are going to be selling some players but...

They do great transfer business it must be said.

Looking at the above, do they? People complain that we struggle to get rid of deadwood but look at that squad!

Drinkwater: Paid £35m (plus contract) and he's played 23 games for them in 3 years
Kepa: Supposedly £71.6m and he's considered their weakest link
Caballero: People say they'd be "terrified" with Hart in goal, but Caballero is the backup to their liability and he's hardly reliable himself
Kenedy: Still knocking around after 5 seasons.
Van Ginkel: 28 in December and he's played 4 games for them in 7 seasons
Bakayoko: Cost £40m and he's played 43 games in 3 seasons
Zappacosta: Cost nearly £30m 3 seasons ago and was basically a conte buy that's not been fancied since.
Batshuayi: Another £33m or so that they clearly can't move on.
Rahman: Paid somewhere between £14m and £22m for him 5 years ago and he's not been wanted
Piazon: Paid about £10m for him years ago and have basiaclly never used him (27 in January)

That's just a cursory glance - just imagine what wages all these £30m players they have knocking about unused are drawing.

Even trimming their squad to a realistic level (ignoring the obvious deadwood):

Goalkeepers
Kepa / Caballero

Defenders
Usual Chelsea: Rudiger / Alonso / Christensen / Zouma / Azpilcueta / Emersen Palmeri
Frank's Youth: Clarke-Salter / Ampadu / James / Tomori / Miazga
Deadwood: Zappacosta / Baba Rahman

Midfielders
Usual Chelsea: Kante / Barkley / Ziyech / Jorginho / Kovacic
Frank's Youth: Loftus-Cheek / Mount / Gilmour
Deadwood: Drinkwater / Van Ginkel / Bakayoko

Forwards
Usual Chelsea: Werner / Giroud / Pulisic
Frank's Youth: Hudson-Odoi / Abraham
Deadwood: Batshuayi / Musonda / Piazon / Kenedy


So basically, it seems like there is a clear problem in that they have at least 9 'first team' players to move on, have bought an entire team that is the 'Chelsea of years gone by' (e.g. star names), but that has blocked off their 'future' players like Hudson-Odoi, Abraham, RLC, Mount, Gilmour, James, Tomori etc.
That's important because they were part of the success of last season, so it looks like Lampard has an impossible job keeping all the players happy.

Beyond all that, let's believe they are looking to bring in Havertz, Chilwell and Silva. It's madness. They will still need to sort out a goalkeeper or two, as well!
 
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ItsBoris

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They haven't done anything to fix the defence yet. Right now it looks like they want to break the combined PL goals per game record, counting both scored and conceded.

It might get them third but not the title.

They're getting Ben Chilwell, Thiago Silva, and possibly that Ajax goalkeeper. I also think Kurt Zouma is a strong defender. The others they have (Rudiger, Christensen, etc) I'm not so sure. Azpilicueta is a good right back and Alonso decent.

I could see it as a back 3 of Zouma, Silva, and Chilwell and Azpilicueta and Alonso as wing backs.
 

DCSPUR

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Moving this to here so as to not drag this one off topic https://www.spurscommunity.co.uk/index.php?threads/realistic-expectations-for-2020-21.142507/page-22




I can - it's just 2020's version of 2013's summer transfer window.

Sign a load of names that Football Manager fanboys can touch their genitals over, act dumbfounded when all the young players who worked theirs off in the previous season get miffed that their progression is now blocked by new signings, wonder why there's suddenly no squad cohesion, and then sit back and watch it unfold as an inexperience manager fails to control the friction.

Every season one team has a go at fantasy football and, more often than not, it ends in tears.

This is their senior squad:

Goalkeepers
Kepa / Caballero

Defenders
Miazga / Rudiger / Alonso / Christensen / Zouma / James / Azpilcueta / Tomori / Emersen Palmeri / Clarke-Salter / Baba Rahman / Ampadu / Zappacosta

Midfielders
Kante / Barkley / Loftus-Cheek / Ziyech / Jorginho / Bakayoko / Kovacic / Mount / Gilmour / Drinkwater / Van Ginkel

Forwards
Werner / Abraham / Giroud / Hudson-Odoi / Batshuayi / Piazon / Musonda / Kenedy / Pulisic


So, basically, they are stacking their team where they don't need it.

Granted they are going to be selling some players but...



Looking at the above, do they? People complain that we struggle to get rid of deadwood but look at that squad!

Drinkwater: Paid £35m (plus contract) and he's played 23 games for them in 3 years
Kepa: Supposedly £71.6m and he's considered their weakest link
Caballero: People say they'd be "terrified" with Hart in goal, but Caballero is the backup to their liability and he's hardly reliable himself
Kenedy: Still knocking around after 5 seasons.
Van Ginkel: 28 in December and he's played 4 games for them in 7 seasons
Bakayoko: Cost £40m and he's played 43 games in 3 seasons
Zappacosta: Cost nearly £30m 3 seasons ago and was basically a conte buy that's not been fancied since.
Batshuayi: Another £33m or so that they clearly can't move on.
Rahman: Paid somewhere between £14m and £22m for him 5 years ago and he's not been wanted
Piazon: Paid about £10m for him years ago and have basiaclly never used him (27 in January)

That's just a cursory glance - just imagine what wages all these £30m players they have knocking about unused are drawing.

Even trimming their squad to a realistic level (ignoring the obvious deadwood):

Goalkeepers
Kepa / Caballero

Defenders
Usual Chelsea: Rudiger / Alonso / Christensen / Zouma / Azpilcueta / Emersen Palmeri
Frank's Youth: Clarke-Salter / Ampadu / James / Tomori / Miazga
Deadwood: Zappacosta / Baba Rahman

Midfielders
Usual Chelsea: Kante / Barkley / Ziyech / Jorginho / Kovacic
Frank's Youth: Loftus-Cheek / Mount / Gilmour
Deadwood: Drinkwater / Van Ginkel / Bakayoko

Forwards
Usual Chelsea: Werner / Giroud / Pulisic
Frank's Youth: Hudson-Odoi / Abraham
Deadwood: Batshuayi / Musonda / Piazon / Kenedy


So basically, it seems like there is a clear problem in that they have at least 9 'first team' players to move on, have bought an entire team that is the 'Chelsea of years gone by' (e.g. star names), but that has blocked off their 'future' players like Hudson-Odoi, Abraham, RLC, Mount, Gilmour, James, Tomori etc.
That's important because they were part of the success of last season, so it looks like Lampard has an impossible job keeping all the players happy.

Beyond all that, let's believe they are looking to bring in Havertz, Chilwell and Silva. It's madness. They will still need to sort out a goalkeeper or two, as well!

serious wishful thinking - sadly they were better than us last season and are bringing in some real talent - Werner is a massive upgrade. Chilwell the same. Silva for one season is a smart one. And suspect they may not be done yet. And they are quite used to
loaning out players. A far cry from the optimism from last summer when the sentiment seemed to be that they were in trouble...
 
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serious wishful thinking - sadly they were better than us last season and are bringing in some real talent - Werner is a massive upgrade. Chilwell the same. Silva for one season is a smart one. And suspect they may not be done yet. And they are quite used to
loaning out players. A far cry from the optimism from last summer when the sentiment seemed to be that they were in trouble...

They were only better than us on account of 7 points - we had a pretty horrific start. When Poch was sacked they were 12 ahead of us.

I'm confused about Silva - when we're linked to him it's a poor signing, but people in here are talking about Chelsea signing him like he's 26 not 36. Werner could easily be a Shevchenko or Torres for them.
 

jurgen

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Apply your own logic concerning Silva to Werner the other way around, if we had bought him we’d be ecstatic about Levy’s ambition to sign one of the world’s top young strikers. You can undersell him to big up your boy’s thriftiness but it’s certainly a very exciting signing for them.
 
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Apply your own logic concerning Silva to Werner the other way around, if we had bought him we’d be ecstatic about Levy’s ambition to sign one of the world’s top young strikers. You can undersell him to big up your boy’s thriftiness but it’s certainly a very exciting signing for them.

That has no relevance to my own pragmatism.

By all accounts, both evaluations are ridiculous. I would, however, say that people who think signing a 36 year old defender is a somewhat redundant activity would be closer to the truth. There are practically no precursors to support that a defender of that age can improve a top 4 team's defence as anything other than a casual player.

I personally wouldn't have much to say about Werner - we have more than enough evidence to known that signing mega expensive 'exciting' players is not something that has ever really worked out for us. Equally, signing mega expensive strikers hasn't, to my immediate memory, ever gone that well for them either.

I don't know who "my boy" is, but I assume this is one of those immature anti-Levy jibes.
 

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They're getting Ben Chilwell, Thiago Silva, and possibly that Ajax goalkeeper. I also think Kurt Zouma is a strong defender. The others they have (Rudiger, Christensen, etc) I'm not so sure. Azpilicueta is a good right back and Alonso decent.

I could see it as a back 3 of Zouma, Silva, and Chilwell and Azpilicueta and Alonso as wing backs.

They may well get Chilwell but that means Alonso/Emerson goes.

Thiago may happen but there are other clubs involved.

They won't be able to sell Kepa as he won't want to go anywhere but Spain.

Zouma is a liability, like some of the others, hence why Lampard wants to replace them.
 

nailsy

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serious wishful thinking - sadly they were better than us last season and are bringing in some real talent - Werner is a massive upgrade. Chilwell the same. Silva for one season is a smart one. And suspect they may not be done yet. And they are quite used to
loaning out players. A far cry from the optimism from last summer when the sentiment seemed to be that they were in trouble...

There are new rules coming in about loaning players which could effect them.

"Players aged 22 and older are affected by the new rules, which only allow eight international loans in and out as of the 2020/21 season – from the 2022/23 onwards, the limit is set at six players."
 

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serious wishful thinking - sadly they were better than us last season and are bringing in some real talent - Werner is a massive upgrade. Chilwell the same. Silva for one season is a smart one. And suspect they may not be done yet. And they are quite used to
loaning out players. A far cry from the optimism from last summer when the sentiment seemed to be that they were in trouble...

They will have a very strong bench, but effectively Werner means their main goal scoring threats Abrahams and Pulisic will play less minutes.

Of course they're used to loaning out players its because so many of them have been failures.
 
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There are new rules coming in about loaning players which could effect them.

"Players aged 22 and older are affected by the new rules, which only allow eight international loans in and out as of the 2020/21 season – from the 2022/23 onwards, the limit is set at six players."

Do Parma still have 300 players out on loan or whatever the numbe rwas :ROFLMAO:
 
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