Match Threads Leicester vs Spurs - Match Thread

[THX2208]

We've looked shit at the back for some time weird how nobody is picking up on the Toby Vert partnership . It s been absolutely shocking

Agreed its been terrible and it's been like that for a while now. Davison Sanchez has looked very inconsistent since his huge money move, so we definitely have a major problem there.
COYS

 

[Gareth88]

That's fair enough but this wasn't even a "matter of inches". It was millimetres. That's the bit I don't quite understand - how could they be sure he was off fro the pictures we saw? Is there some kind of laser technology? Because that's how tight it was.

Millimetres, inches it's still offside. When MOTD show it tonight you will see Son is offside when the ball is played in real time. I'm not saying it to be awkward etc it was the right call. Hopefully they explain line thickness also as I have no idea.

 

[shelfboy68]

Spot on!
As much as people think Pep has had an easy ride with buckets of money to spend however he likes - he's an amazing coach and the fluidity he gets is just out of this world.

Poch started to do this for us too - with the press and the high line, we've been able to win the ball back and pass it around - but we've never seemed to push on from this, in fact the press is now much weaker and our passing tends to go backwards.

Call it knee-jerk or whatever else but I think we're in trouble and I don't have a clue how it's happened!

Vexed!!

Having loads of money to buy player's can also bring about other issues such as keeping all those ego's in check no mean feat in today's world.
Poch is a nice fella but you can't compare them our style at the moment is nothing and the players do not look like they have bought into him now, where as pep is simply making them better we are miles away from them.

 

[joelstinton14]

Andy Reid would have been screwed with these VAR offside rules

 

[markdadude]

The real question when VAR makes offside calls is "exactly when is the ball passed?". Seeing whether a shoulder is further forward is easy even if the angle is not dead straight...

I don't know what frame rate the camera has that they select the freeze frame from but lets assume its 60 fps... that's 16.6 milliseconds between each frame. If they had shown the previous frame I would not be surprised if Son appeared onside - and this begs the question, how on earth can the VAR people know the precise moment the ball is passed and therefore what frame to choose. This is a huge problem and supposing VAR ever did have an agenda, they can influence games by turning marginal calls a certain way.

Surely they can put a tiny accelerometer inside the ball which will give the precise moment the ball is passed. Otherwise overturning calls on the pitch like today when it is so marginal looks ridiculous and is going to lead to hate and suspicion over the technology.

 

[SE Spurs]

Today wasn't actually the worst performance, and had Auriers effort been allowed, it may well have been a fantastic result. 3 games in 7 days, a trip to Greece, an early kick off away from home, against a decent side, can all be given as an excuse. But its worrying, knowing that this team just can't keep a clean sheet away from home, and scoring 2 is now an absolute minimum, for just a point. Our away record in 2019 is hideous.

The team is stale, and some actually look worse than that. Management, and club, are both responsible for this. Not many top four clubs (of their own making) actually make their defence worse in a summer, not better. 2 starting CBs in their final year, and both starting FB's told they could leave (fucking ridiculous).

The midfield isn't much better. Eriksen desperate to leave, Wanyama just looks gone, Dier can't stay fit, and the new arrivals aren't close to being ready. We bought players for the future, when we're desperate for fresh talent ready to play now.

But it could be worse. We do still have plenty of top players, and the first half against Palace shows they've still got it in them. And we ain't Watford, who just went 8-0 down at City

 

[shelfboy68]

Today wasn't actually the worst performance, and had Auriers effort been allowed, it may well have been a fantastic result. 3 games in 7 days, a trip to Greece, an early kick off away from home, against a decent side, can all be given as an excuse. But its worrying, knowing that this team just can't keep a clean sheet away from home, and scoring 2 is now an absolute minimum, for just a point. Our away record in 2019 is hideous.

The team is stale, and some actually look worse than that. Management, and club, are both responsible for this. Not many top four clubs (of their own making) actually make their defence worse in a summer, not better. 2 starting CBs in their final year, and both starting FB's told they could leave (fucking ridiculous).

The midfield isn't much better. Eriksen desperate to leave, Wanyama just looks gone, Dier can't stay fit, and the new arrivals aren't close to being ready. We bought players for the future, when we're desperate for fresh talent ready to play now.

But it could be worse. We do still have plenty of top players, and the first half against Palace shows they've still got it in them. And we ain't Watford, who just went 8-0 down at City

Yep poor decision making from top to bottom.

 

[spids]

Criminal is a bit of an overreaction. So his shoulder was offside which you can score from, he was offside. Taking off Sissoko and replacing him with Wanyama turned the game in their favour along with the fact we travelled to Greece midweek and had an early kick off today.

Sorry but I am pretty adamant that he was not offside. The low quality of the VAR 'lines' shows what guess work this decision was. That is what is criminal - all this technology and they effectively guessed. It is not what VAR is intended for. VAR is for correcting clear and obvious errors. Like the Leicester goal where 4 of them were miles offside, inc. Perez who got to the rebound first.

From the daily fail on Son's offside:

"Then VAR became involved. A frame was selected. A line drawn from where the VAR imagined Son's shoulder was, the arm not counting for offside. And by the margin of perhaps a centimetre an offside was called. After all, it either is or it isn't: isn't it? Except, we now know, that it isn't. To recap, the frame rate of 50 per second. Son is running at about 18mph. The margin of error is therefore is around 6cm. What the frame selected actually shows is that Son is probably onside when the ball is played."

With Son's offside (below) he is clearly level with the defender. Anyone could draw a chunky line liek the ones below to show he is onside or offside depending on their allegiance. Or what line they put down first, or how clunky their mouse was. It is inaccurate and that is what is unacceptable about it.

 

[markdadude]

Sorry but I am pretty adamant that he was not offside. The low quality of the VAR 'lines' shows what guess work this decision was. That is what is criminal - all this technology and they effectively guessed. It is not what VAR is intended for. VAR is for correcting clear and obvious errors. Like the Leicester goal where 4 of them were miles offside, inc. Perez who got to the rebound first.

From the daily fail on Son's offside:

"Then VAR became involved. A frame was selected. A line drawn from where the VAR imagined Son's shoulder was, the arm not counting for offside. And by the margin of perhaps a centimetre an offside was called. After all, it either is or it isn't: isn't it? Except, we now know, that it isn't. To recap, the frame rate of 50 per second. Son is running at about 18mph. The margin of error is therefore is around 6cm. What the frame selected actually shows is that Son is probably onside when the ball is played."

With Son's offside (below) he is clearly level with the defender. Anyone could draw a chunky line liek the ones below to show he is onside or offside depending on their allegiance. Or what line they put down first, or how clunky their mouse was. It is inaccurate and that is what is unacceptable about it.

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Agreed, horrendous decision. Perhaps they also should take the preceding frame and the following frame, and all three frames need to go against the attacker for the goal to be offside. Either way there needs to a repeatable procedure that so that any two VAR rooms would come up with the same decision independently, every time.

I honestly can't believe the stupidity of how VAR is implemented, not just the offside shit

 

[jezz]

What a crap image for a multi billion pound game.

 

[shelfboy68]

What a crap image for a multi billion pound game.

Are you referring to VAR or our team.

 

[homer hotspur]

Agreed, horrendous decision. Perhaps they also should take the preceding frame and the following frame, and all three frames need to go against the attacker for the goal to be offside. Either way there needs to a repeatable procedure that so that any two VAR rooms would come up with the same decision independently, every time.

I honestly can't believe the stupidity of how VAR is implemented, not just the offside shit

Also, there should be a split screen to show the moment the pass was played. We are never shown this but it is the key element in the decision.

 

[SpartanSpur]

Absolutely gutted with this result. I personally thought we played well for the majority of the game. It was a good game of football and both teams showed quality on the ball. Not many teams will play better at Leicester this year IMO.

One hairs-breadth decision (I'm pro-VAR but think there needs to be some margin of doubt provided on offsides) is the difference from us likely getting a great win and sitting handsomely 3rd, instead a 25 yard banger later and it's doom and gloom, meltdown City on here and tw@tter, Poch has lost the dressing room, he's on the brink, etc...

I genuinely find it much easier when we play poorly and lose. The team executed what Poch wanted today, the margins were just so tight and lady luck wasn't on our side. If we won everyone would be calling it a turning point!

 

[Gareth88]

Sorry but I am pretty adamant that he was not offside. The low quality of the VAR 'lines' shows what guess work this decision was. That is what is criminal - all this technology and they effectively guessed. It is not what VAR is intended for. VAR is for correcting clear and obvious errors. Like the Leicester goal where 4 of them were miles offside, inc. Perez who got to the rebound first.

From the daily fail on Son's offside:

"Then VAR became involved. A frame was selected. A line drawn from where the VAR imagined Son's shoulder was, the arm not counting for offside. And by the margin of perhaps a centimetre an offside was called. After all, it either is or it isn't: isn't it? Except, we now know, that it isn't. To recap, the frame rate of 50 per second. Son is running at about 18mph. The margin of error is therefore is around 6cm. What the frame selected actually shows is that Son is probably onside when the ball is played."

With Son's offside (below) he is clearly level with the defender. Anyone could draw a chunky line liek the ones below to show he is onside or offside depending on their allegiance. Or what line they put down first, or how clunky their mouse was. It is inaccurate and that is what is unacceptable about it.

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Nice research and I can totally see your point, VAR should be reviewed and additional infrastructure put in place to try and help as much as possible. I have no idea about the maths behind the Daily Mail quote but if I am to take it at face value then you do put a reasonable argument but again criminal is not the word.

The game was not lost by a VAR decision which in the case of offside does not have to be a clear and obvious error. We lost the game on two factors IMO, 1 travelling to Greece midweek for the champions league and having the early kick off today meaning our squad was bound to get tired later in the game allowing Leicester back into it. Some bad substitutions on the day I can only think Sissoko was subbed to stop him getting a second yellow but Wanyama from memory hasn't played this season and in all honesty has been woeful for some time. Trying to shore up midfield with a busted tank at the base of the diamond and Winks out right really saw the wheels start to come off for us.

 

[markdadude]

Also, there should be a split screen to show the moment the pass was played. We are never shown this but it is the key element in the decision.

Indeed, we just have to trust them... ohh right, OK, yeah thanks!

Nothing about VAR is well defined - no set of protocol, nothing really. There are other obvious incidents the ref gets wrong on the pitch: free kicks, pens, red card offences etc. When does VAR intervene? ...not sure really, just when it feels like it, but you can trust them!

 

[dontcallme]

 

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While I get your point, I'm tired of pissing away results and I don't think there is anything wrong with that.

 

[spids]

Nice research and I can totally see your point, VAR should be reviewed and additional infrastructure put in place to try and help as much as possible. I have no idea about the maths behind the Daily Mail quote but if I am to take it at face value then you do put a reasonable argument but again criminal is not the word.

The game was not lost by a VAR decision which in the case of offside does not have to be a clear and obvious error. We lost the game on two factors IMO, 1 travelling to Greece midweek for the champions league and having the early kick off today meaning our squad was bound to get tired later in the game allowing Leicester back into it. Some bad substitutions on the day I can only think Sissoko was subbed to stop him getting a second yellow but Wanyama from memory hasn't played this season and in all honesty has been woeful for some time. Trying to shore up midfield with a busted tank at the base of the diamond and Winks out right really saw the wheels start to come off for us.

So you think if we'd gone 2-0 up with <30 mins to play we'd still have lost?

 

[Gareth88]

So you think if we'd gone 2-0 up with <30 mins to play we'd still have lost?

We wouldn't have won dropping a two goal lead is not uncommon for us

 

[shelfboy68]

So you think if we'd gone 2-0 up with <30 mins to play we'd still have lost?

I think it would have ended 2-2 100%