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TEESSIDE1

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Not really, this is exactly the same as at the start.... we didnt want to pay 30m ... thats never changed really


We’ve had ITK in both the summer and now that Milan want Aurier. Simple solution is to swap him for Piatek and bring in a hot young full back like Bogle. I know Aurier has improved but he’s still error prone of the fatal variety and is hit and miss going forward. Swapping him would result in a circa £15m outlay for Bogle which is only half what Milan want us to pay to buy Piatek.
 

TEESSIDE1

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Lamela going the other way wouldn’t shock me at all but coming from that source I don’t believe it. He’s a player I thought should have been moved already. To get Piatek over the line Id gladly send Lamela back the other way especially with Bergwijn coming in.

Especially given out lack of goals in Kane’s absence... we need players who will contribute more that just working hard. Given Lamela’s abysmal injury record and lack of assists and goals it’s best that we move him on, especially if it allows us to bring in a decent striker in Piatek.
 

yido_number1

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We’ve had ITK in both the summer and now that Milan want Aurier. Simple solution is to swap him for Piatek and bring in a hot young full back like Bogle. I know Aurier has improved but he’s still error prone of the fatal variety and is hit and miss going forward. Swapping him would result in a circa £15m outlay for Bogle which is only half what Milan want us to pay to buy Piatek.
That would be great if you could trust Levy to buy a replacement for Aurier. Reality is Levy would probably sell him and present Tanganga as his replacement.
 

Timberwolf

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Especially given out lack of goals in Kane’s absence... we need players who will contribute more that just working hard. Given Lamela’s abysmal injury record and lack of assists and goals it’s best that we move him on, especially if it allows us to bring in a decent striker in Piatek.
Hard to disagree with that. Lamela's been a great pro but he's practically guaranteed to miss at least half of the season through injury (funnily enough he averages about 19 league appearances per season) and while he does get the odd goal and assist, is that really enough? Also, for all of his harrying and pressing I've always felt he gives away far too many needless fouls that put us under pressure.

Just had a look and he's played 8217 minutes in the league over the past 7 seasons which amounts to about 91 full matches out of potentially almost 300. You can't expect a player to play a full 90 every week, but that's a pretty abysmal number by anyone's standards...

Not convinced by Piatek though and have a feeling we could end up with another Soldado/Janssen on our hands. I would be far more comfortable if we managed to wrangle a loan deal with an option rather than an obligation to buy (think Higuain last season). Shame we're now absolutely desperate for a striker - clubs have us over a barrel.
 

daryl hannah

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This whole 'no cash' 'no big signings' situation is really weird. We are ROLLING in cash.

So why are we opting for so many loans first? I don't get what is up.

The only thing I can think is that by the time we finish this rebuild over the next few seasons we will be committed to near £300m of spending (as opposed to net spending which'll probably be half that when all's said and done). And I'm guessing that the loans/bonds secured for the stadium etc. are on the condition that we don't go mad in the transfer market i.e., our spending is hampered by the £650m of borrowing and the banks are in control of our purse strings.

Hopefully they're not in control of the purse strings for the next 30 fucking years as I'll likely have passed on by then and I'd like to see some more big signings before I die.
 

Timberwolf

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This whole 'no cash' 'no big signings' situation is really weird. We are ROLLING in cash.

So why are we opting for so many loans first? I don't get what is up.

The only thing I can think is that by the time we finish this rebuild over the next few seasons we will be committed to near £300m of spending (as opposed to net spending which'll probably be half that when all's said and done). And I'm guessing that the loans/bonds secured for the stadium etc. are on the condition that we don't go mad in the transfer market i.e., our spending is hampered by the £650m of borrowing and the banks are in control of our purse strings.

Hopefully they're not in control of the purse strings for the next 30 fucking years as I'll likely have passed on by then and I'd like to see some more big signings before I die.
I'm all for splashing the cash but I really don't think throwing it at players like Piatek is the way to go. There are big question marks over him and I can't think of many better times to opt for a loan (preferably with an option) rather than buying outright.

If he's complete shit - which honestly isn't that unlikely given his recent Milan form - at least we can send him back, rather than having another wage-sucking Janssen II taking up a vital squad place. On the other hand if he's great then we can just make it permanent in the summer.
 

barry

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I'm all for splashing the cash but I really don't think throwing it at players like Piatek is the way to go. There are big question marks over him and I can't think of many better times to opt for a loan (preferably with an option) rather than buying outright.

If he's complete shit - which honestly isn't that unlikely given his recent Milan form - at least we can send him back, rather than having another wage-sucking Janssen II taking up a vital squad place. On the other hand if he's great then we can just make it permanent in the summer.

Totally agree. Good players on form from other leagues sometimes fail in the prem. This dude is off form, and according to popular concensus doesn't offer much bar goal scoring. Massive risk, loan with option is definately the best course of action.
 

yankspurs

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I'm all for splashing the cash but I really don't think throwing it at players like Piatek is the way to go. There are big question marks over him and I can't think of many better times to opt for a loan (preferably with an option) rather than buying outright.

If he's complete shit - which honestly isn't that unlikely given his recent Milan form - at least we can send him back, rather than having another wage-sucking Janssen II taking up a vital squad place. On the other hand if he's great then we can just make it permanent in the summer.
Its not opting not to throw the money at Piatek that people are questioning. It's more of the fact that Levy is apparently acting like we're skint when the club play in the richest league in the world, the top continental competition in the world, is in the top 10 wealthiest clubs in Europe and just refinanced the stadium over a 30 year period so that we would have money to spend. So the question is, where is the money going? Its not being invested in football and it isnt being put toward paying the stadium.
 

Timberwolf

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Totally agree. Good players on form from other leagues sometimes fail in the prem. This dude is off form, and according to popular concensus doesn't offer much bar goal scoring. Massive risk, loan with option is definately the best course of action.
Yeah, I think too many fans (especially on twitter, etc) are getting far too excited over the prospect of a new shiny signing, especially given how desperate we are for a striker. However, given how hard we've found it to shift our deadwood in recent years, the last thing we want is an expensive dud on our books that we can't shift.
 

SpartanSpur

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From the Utd and Chelsea updates today, it sounds like no-one is willing to stump up the cash for him. Milan may well have to accept loan+option and hope he delivers. Hopefully us being the keenest will give us the edge, plus we surely offer the best playing opportunities due to zero competition.
 

SpursSince1980

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Another potential loan to buy?

Is there a reason we keep doing that? It's not something we've done much of in the past. But Lo Celso, Fernandes and let's say Piatek too, would be kinda similar deals. Is this just a new way of conducting our business that is designed for risk mitigation? Ie: we don't want any more Janssen, Njie, Nkoudo type deals that leave us holding the bag for players that turned out to be less than.

Meanwhile, the conspiracy theorist in my thinks there is something bigger at play going on behind the scenes. Hence why levy is not committing big up front fees, as he's deferring payment down the line that someone else will be on the hook to oblige.

Probably the former. But the latter implies something far more interesting!!!
 

GetSpurredOn

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Is there a reason we keep doing that? It's not something we've done much of in the past. But Lo Celso, Fernandes and let's say Piatek too, would be kinda similar deals. Is this just a new way of conducting our business that is designed for risk mitigation? Ie: we don't want any more Janssen, Njie, Nkoudo type deals that leave us holding the bag for players that turned out to be less than.

I think this may be the reason, perhaps we have lost faith with our scouting setup. Stambouli, Fazio, Njie, Nkoudou, Janssen.... All failed to live up to the expectations, so maybe a period of taking loans with options whilst we stabilise, and hopefully get someone like Campos onboard to direct us.
Hercules did suggest that we would need to be creative with our accounting for now.
 

daryl hannah

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I think this may be the reason, perhaps we have lost faith with our scouting setup. Stambouli, Fazio, Njie, Nkoudou, Janssen.... All failed to live up to the expectations, so maybe a period of taking loans with options whilst we stabilise, and hopefully get someone like Campos onboard to direct us.
Hercules did suggest that we would need to be creative with our accounting for now.
I think one of the other reasons may be that clubs know we are rich so are trying to hold us over a barrel - as I think Herc or trix mentioned.

I've no problem with it as it mitigates the risk and makes sure we don't get stuck with players after huge outlays.

Very sensible, really.
 

SpursSince1980

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I think one of the other reasons may be that clubs know we are rich so are trying to hold us over a barrel - as I think Herc or trix mentioned.

I've no problem with it as it mitigates the risk and makes sure we don't get stuck with players after huge outlays.

Very sensible, really.
Just makes you wonder if this will be a new trend, and is an unintended consequence of the increasingly higher and higher transfer fees. Along with players signing shorter term contracts. Otherwise you end up like a Zaha situation. Sign long contract, and then realize that PL teams don't really sell their prize assets to other PL teams unless they are willing to pay a king's ransom.
Makes you wonder if we will eventually move to like a hybrid free agency model in the future as colossally steep transfer fees aren't sustainable or fiscally responsible.
 

WiganSpur

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If we didn't have cash we wouldn't be trying to purchase Bergwijn, especially when we're in desperate need of a striker now.

So i'd imagine us wanting to loan him is just because it makes footballing sense. He comes here to cover Kane's injury and would be effectively on trial for the next 6 months. If we like we what we see then we will purchase outright if not then we can look elsewhere in the summer and keep the cash.

My only concern is if he tears it up but Kane is straight back in ahead of him towards the end of the season. I think that could spook him into looking at other options and rejecting any offer of a permanent contract.
 

THFCSPURS19

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Milan, Tottenham insists on Piatek: distance on the purchase formula

The Tottenham insists Piatek, the British company does not let go of it for the Milan striker , who is finding less and less space in the league. The arrival of Ibra and the Leao solution have effectively cut him out of the starting lineup, which is why in recent days the player's agents have met Milan to look for a solution.

Tottenham would like to take him to England to stop the emergency related to Kane's injury . Contacts are continuous, but at the moment there is distance between the two companies . The English club, in fact, would like Piatek on loan, a formula however not appreciated by the Rossoneri.
 
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Milan, Tottenham insists on Piatek: distance on the purchase formula

The Tottenham insists Piatek, the British company does not let go of it for the Milan striker , who is finding less and less space in the league. The arrival of Ibra and the Leao solution have effectively cut him out of the starting lineup, which is why in recent days the player's agents have met Milan to look for a solution.

Tottenham would like to take him to England to stop the emergency related to Kane's injury . Contacts are continuous, but at the moment there is distance between the two companies . The English club, in fact, would like Piatek on loan, a formula however not appreciated by the Rossoneri.

I think it seems were ideally pushing very hard for a loan, and if we exhaust all avenues re loan then maybe we may low ball bid em again !!!! :)
 
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