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Shadydan

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Ndombele is much more suited to the modern Lampard description than Dele.

How?

He scored 1 goal for Lyon last season and 2 this season, Dele has scores a bagful in his career and playing as a 3rd cm is his natural position.
 

dimiSpur

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How?

He scored 1 goal for Lyon last season and 2 this season, Dele has scores a bagful in his career and playing as a 3rd cm is his natural position.
Because Lampard wasn't a striker. It's not just about goals. Lampard was an intelligent player, played some wonderful passes and created or had a hand in the creation of many chances. When Dele picks up the ball in central midfield he takes a minute to think about whether he should nutmeg his opponent before losing the ball or playing a safe pass.

Ndombele on the other hand has shown that he is a wonderful talent and capable of attacking. All he needs to do is give him the freedom of arriving late in the penalty area, a la Lampard and you will see he can add more goals. Also two goals is as many as Dele's scored is it not? And from deeper.
 

Insomnia

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SC, sometimes you disappoint me. 10 pages & not one person has suggested that Jose will be the man to turn Foyth into a DM, not one of you. Sort it out
 

cozzo

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Says who ? Maureen knows all about our squad already and will have decided who is most likely going and who he will be building the team around.

In the sense of everyone given the opportunity to show that they deserve to be in the team.
 

Mark_147

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‐--------------Gazza☆
Aurier☆ Toby☆ Sanchez Rose☆
----------------Dier☆
-----N'Dombele Lo Celso☆
---------Son Kane Alli

Think that will be the team against the spammers on Saturday but I think there are definite question marks over the ones with stars next to them.

Gazza (and Lloris) will have to prove they are worthy of a place in the squad. Lloris must be fearful as I suspect Mourinho wont be as faithful as Poch was. I am not sure if Gazza is a No.1.

Aurier will get replaced no doubt but I suspect he will retain his place until January. A replacement will be brought in January imo.

Toby was wanted by Mourinho previously and may well sign a new deal but has looked past it for a while in part because the rb has been so bad. Nevertheless with both him and Jan in their last year of their current contract at least one CB will be brought in the summer.

Rose we know was also wanted by Mourinho previously but is only here for 18 months and will not as we understand be offered a new deal. I suspect he will get the nod ahead of Davies but a new left back will come in the summer.

Dier as a Mourinho target in the past will get an opportunity to get his match fitness up and some games under his belt to prove himself as the dm. I expect a specialist dm to come in the January window personally. Diers contract runs out after next season so he only has a short period in my mind to prove himself. Illness and injuries aside I don't think he will be our solution going forward.

The interesting one for me is Lo Celso. Only on a loan with an option to buy, it will be interesting to see if Mourinho rates him especially as rumours circulate about Fernandez. I think Lo Celso is a great prospect just from the little I have seen and he would certainly stay in my team but i just wonder whether Mourinho has a thought that as he is not purchased yet whether he could find a player of his own choosing. No idea and i hope Lo Celso shows his talent to make it an easy decision.
Lo celso is an obligation to buy if we finish in the European positions.
 

spursfan77

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Michael Cox writing about Mourinho and the role of the number 10 in his teams:

Alli, however, is a different case — and might be the prime candidate for a Mourinho rejuvenation. Like Pogba, he’s another player whose best position is often questioned, but this could actually prove very useful for Mourinho.

“For me, the No 10 is a very special player in my team,” Mourinho explained when manager of Chelsea in 2015. “In a system of two midfield players and a No 10, I demand a lot from a No 10. Every position is important, but it is an important position. I like a No 10 to score goals. I like a No 10 to get in the box… No 10 for me is a No 8-and-a-half when the team loses the ball and a No 9-and-a-half when the team has the ball.”

That’s a perfect description of Alli, who shines either when bustling and scrapping in midfield, or when bursting forward into the box as a support striker just off Harry Kane. He’s a No 10 who isn’t actually a No 10 in terms of the traditional No 10 things: receiving the ball between the lines and slipping the ball through for the forwards.

Instead, at his best, when he has the energy to perform both roles, he’s a box-to-box midfielder and a free-running goalscorer. His average position is that of a No 10 but he specialises in the position either side of that role. The above quote, at the time referring to Oscar, should be music to Alli’s ears.
 

NickHSpurs

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Dier and Toby are going to find themselves back in the XI on a regular basis I think. Which isn't a bad thing, if they're both on form they're part of the side that played some of our best football in the last five years.
 

Nick-TopSpursMan

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I'm fearful for Lo Celso and I will be fuming if we don't sign him permanently. He has such a high ceiling and is an amazing talent. He can play CM/CAM or RAM and works hard too.

I like Alli but he currently lacks the passing, ball retention etc to play that CM/CAM role as the main man for me. It should be Lo Celso, he works just as hard if not harder, he's far superior passing wise and technically and he can score goals.
 

dimiSpur

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George94

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How?

He scored 1 goal for Lyon last season and 2 this season, Dele has scores a bagful in his career and playing as a 3rd cm is his natural position.

Mixing together some players from his Chelsea side with our current squad, we might play a completely different way, but we do have similar players ...

Cech = Lloris
Ferreira / Ivanovic = KWP / Foyth
Carvalho = Toby
Terry ? = Jan
A. Cole / Bridge = Rose? Sessengon? / Davies
Makelele = Dier
Essien / Thiago = Ndombele / Winks
Lampard / Oscar = Dele / Eriksen
J. Cole / Duff = Lo Celso / Lucas
Robben / Hazard = Son
Drogba / Costa = Kane
 
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Shadydan

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Because Lampard wasn't a striker. It's not just about goals. Lampard was an intelligent player, played some wonderful passes and created or had a hand in the creation of many chances. When Dele picks up the ball in central midfield he takes a minute to think about whether he should nutmeg his opponent before losing the ball or playing a safe pass.

Ndombele on the other hand has shown that he is a wonderful talent and capable of attacking. All he needs to do is give him the freedom of arriving late in the penalty area, a la Lampard and you will see he can add more goals. Also two goals is as many as Dele's scored is it not? And from deeper.

Says it not just about goals but goes on to compare the amount of goals both players have scored this season ?

Dele isn't and has never been a striker either?

What kind of a player do you think Lampard was? He played as the most attacking player out of the trio at Chelsea, the player who would always arrive late in the box to score, he constantly hit double figures under Mourinho something which Dele has already proved he can do in this league albeit from a position slightly further forward but the point is that Lampard had the freedom to roam as he had Makelele and Essien covering him.

You're speaking as if Dele isn't capable of playing wonderful passes and creating opportunities for his team mates, how many chances has he put on a plate for a Kane over the years for example? I think there are some concerns about his ability on the ball but Lampard never started out as the same Lampard who hit his peak so he I think Dele can improve on that.

Ndombele is in fact averaging 2 goals a season but I think he is more of a a creative midfielder anyway, he does the damage in a more deeper role which is why I can see him playing a bit further back but being the creative outlet in the team.
 
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dondo

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Mixing together some players from his Chelsea side with our current squad, we might play a completely different way, but we do have similar players ...

Cech = Lloris
Ferreira / Ivanovic = KWP / Foyth
Carvalho = Toby
Terry ? = Jan
A. Cole / Bridge = Rose? Sessengon? / Davies
Makelele = Dier
Essien / Thiago = Ndombele / Winks
Lampard / Oscar = Dele / Eriksen
J. Cole / Duff = Lo Celso / Lucas
Robben / Hazard = Son
Drogba / Costa = Kane

Looking at that we have a good squad for Mourinho to work with, with a few additions mainly in defence we could be on to something
 

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I really don't think Rose should start, not only because of his dreadful form this season but also his very recent sulky outburst, Davies at LB for me, with Sess ready to share the position soon if not now. I wold even put Jan at LB ahead of Rose.
 

WiganSpur

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I think we may see a surprise, that being Tanganga starting at CB.

We could see anything I guess, but my prediction is:

Gazzaniga
KWP ---- Alderweireld Tanganga --- Davies
Dier
Winks ---- Ndombele
Son ------Alli
Kane
 

John48

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SC, sometimes you disappoint me. 10 pages & not one person has suggested that Jose will be the man to turn Foyth into a DM, not one of you. Sort it out

That's because Jose is supposedly a big fan of Dier & reports suggest he's doing his best to get the young CB JT to sign a new contract & he's been heard telling the coaches to put him front & centre because of the way he marked CRonaldo in a friendly against Juve.
 

SpartanSpur

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Not really this has been in the making since he left Yanited. His change of philosophy that is. As I said earlier don't expect the same old Mourinho tactics, although I'm sure there will be times when shutting up shop is exactly what we need.

Yeah this seems to have been a plan hatched up between Jose and Campos over the last 6 months or so. No surprise to see us take staff from Lille, some of whom worked under Campos at Monaco too. Sounds like this young assistant is quite highly regarded. Hopefully we can complete the set and bring in the DoF. Looks like 6 months of planning between 2 succesful football men that we could be the recipient of. Exciting to think about.

As for the last comment it goes without saying, Jose will pay respect to quality opponents and have a plan, something Poch didn't do. Fantastic when it paid off but most of the time it felt naive.
 

Aay_Jay_Dee

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Mixing together some players from his Chelsea side with our current squad, we might play a completely different way, but we do have similar players ...

Cech = Lloris
Ferreira / Ivanovic = KWP / Foyth
Carvalho = Toby
Terry ? = Jan
A. Cole / Bridge = Rose? Sessengon? / Davies
Makelele = Dier
Essien / Thiago = Ndombele / Winks
Lampard / Oscar = Dele / Eriksen
J. Cole / Duff = Lo Celso / Lucas
Robben / Hazard = Son
Drogba / Costa = Kane

Glaring differences here are RB and DM. Get those sorted and our team is not far off at all.
 

Martin91

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He's going to go 433 which is his preferred formation and I reckon that he's gonna try and turn Dele into a modern Lampard.

his second spell at Chelsea was 4231 he also played 4231 at United..... we have played some of our best football using 4231
 

Shadydan

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his second spell at Chelsea was 4231 he also played 4231 at United..... we have played some of our best football using 4231

Fair point actually, still think he'll lineup with Dele has his no10 though.
 
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