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This one is DEFINITELY on Levy!Only time will tell if opting for Jose is the right or wrong choice but if we go back to the drawing board again this is on levy.
This one is DEFINITELY on Levy!Only time will tell if opting for Jose is the right or wrong choice but if we go back to the drawing board again this is on levy.
Exactly this.Maybe some of us don't want to get used to it. Identity and tribalism are big parts of football supporter's mentalities. Part of supporting spurs is that the team, no matter how successful, play in a certain way. This may be a perception rather than the reality especially during the nineties, but there has always been a flair player or two to counter balance the technical deficiencies of the austins and Dohertys. It forms part of the identity of being a spurs fan.
JM is seen as the ultimate anti football (but successful)manager, his appointment undermines the history of attractive spurs football, and its why so many spurs fans are unhappy. we had a very similar situation when Graham was appointed and that worked out well. If he can somehow change his style and managerial approach to fit the club's philosophy I will be converted, but I think it's unlikely.
Your happiness I suppose it depends if you support spurs because you identify with the flair and attractive football philosophy or that winning trophies is what floats your boat (although you must have been very unhappy for the last 30 years). At the moment we aren't doing either so is anybody happy?
If you're missing the majority of your goals what exactly are our strengths meant to be? It's like you're saying things while having the answer in front of you while not being able to accept it.We've gone backwards. Just to sum it up, in Mourinho's own words... "Would a top-four finish be my greatest feat? In these circumstances, yes," just tells what an incredible job Poch's done. Mourinho's tactics are so diametrically opposed to what Tottenham's style is (was)... What a mistake letting Poch go, instead of backing him. I wasn't exactly over the moon when Mourinho was confirmed as Tottenham's new Head Coach, but really wanted him to prove me wrong.
Look, I'm aware that we're missing our two star attackers, but this is a 25-man squad.. We are paying the price for not playing to our strengths, when Mourinho's opts to park the bus against ...everyone.
Yep, IF this does go balls up levy needs to get some serious heat his way as his management of the players and managers bar getting lucky with Poch & Redknapp has been abysmal So although I don’t enjoy the way we are playing I also feel Jose has been put in an almightily difficult position.This one is DEFINITELY on Levy!
You change your mind on an hourly basis it seems.Exactly this.
Imagine if Ajax or Barcelona set up like this in home games for example, Jose would be out the door 5mins into the first match.
Now whilst we are neither as successful as Ajax or Barcelona our supposed ethos is “to dare is to do” and as the great Danny Blanchlower said “"The great fallacy is that the game is first and last about winning. It is nothing of the kind. The game is about glory, it is about doing things in style and with a flourish, about going out and beating the lot, not waiting for them to die of boredom."
Now I’ll admit I was open to the idea of Jose based on the fact I’ve supported and followed spurs religiously for 30 years and seen us win pretty much naff all, especially in the past 15 years so I was willing to mabye sacrifice some style of play for a chance of a trophy but I’ll also admit that it’s taken a grand total of 3 months for me to now not even want to watch our matches out of pure bordem. Im sorry but this is harder to watch than anything even under AVB for example, we literally play anti possession and the worst bit is our players are just not suited to it.
Yes his results have been fairly good on the whole so credit to him for that but we’ve also been outplayed or dominate by : Wolves, Norwich, Southamptonx2, Chelsea x2, Man.U, Liverpool, Man.City and we got lucky in a few other games as well.
Personally I think those who adamantly said Jose was completely the wrong fit for our club were correct, this is going to only get more toxic over the next few weeks and months as players get more tired with a lack of options to rotate in and also tired and frustrated by being told to go out and play anti-football. I hoped it wasnt true but I think Jose is a busted flush but mainly it’s just so so hard to put up watching this kind of football and as the guys on the ESPN analysis said if we had Kane and or Son against Chelsea it likely wouldn’t have made a bit of difference to how we set-up and the style of football we played.
Im not so sure, if I was footing the bill I'm not sure I'd have bankrolled another Poch 5 year cycle, considering the last one ended completely potless.I personally would have rather we stuck with Poch and gave him the opportunity to rebuild rather than go in the direction we have.
We got to a final with a team that wasnt playing well, and was effectively finished.But pochs tactics were nothing to get excited about dominate the ball pass it sideways and backwards only to be unable to break the opposition down.
In the CL final Liverpool were happy to allow us the ball because they knew we wouldn't or couldn't score which was the case, we could still be playing that final now and still would not have scored.
It’s not so much that I change my mind, although I do admit to having overestimated just how much of Jose’s anti football I could endure week after week, but its just not a very straight forward situation at all right now as it’s no one factor to blame, there are a culmination of many factors past and present at play here.You change your mind on an hourly basis it seems.
The bit in bold is everything that is wrong with this fan base, that is the past - we had a shot at doing that last year in a final under the management of a man that you and others feel would have been a better bet than Jose - instead he played insipid uninspired football in the pinnacle of club football.
ESPN? I just can't take them seriously, they think we would have played the same football with our top two players in the team? ...
I'm sorry, I just can't.
Opening two lines a a juxtaposition to the original post I quoted.It’s not so much that I change my mind, although I do admit to having overestimated just how much of Jose’s anti football I could endure week after week, but its just not a very straight forward situation at all right now as it’s no one factor to blame, there are a culmination of many factors past and present at play here.
I respectfully absolutely disagree that Danny Blanchflowers quote is ’everything that is wrong with this fan base’ a football club and its fans identify are intertwined. Sure there needs to be an element of adaptation to changes over time in the game of course but fundamentally the significant past of a club is it’s fabric and DNA, if we just dismiss it then you’re taking out the heart and soul from football which to be honest with all the money in the game is slowly what’s been happening anyway to an extent.
This.We got to a final with a team that wasnt playing well, and was effectively finished.
Great achievement but if the investment in players that Poch had wanted before then it might have been so different.
People are moaning about the options Jose has well Poch had even less - new players bought last close season but no opportunity to implement change.
Now we are trying to play long ball football with no forward or the only fit one in Parrott not seen as an option.
We are looking to soak up pressure and hit teams quickly on the break - but with a defence that is all over the place.
I was fed up with watching the football under Poch as it was often groundhog day and you saw the same attacking pattern over and over again often with no shot, never mind end result.
But now at matches not sure i even see any football from us. Cannot remember one game have enjoyed - some good results yes but often not deserved
Jose presumably is going to get Daniel to open his cheque book but it should have been 2 yrs ago when Poch highlighted the need.
Exactly this.
Now whilst we are neither as successful as Ajax or Barcelona our supposed ethos is “to dare is to do” and as the great Danny Blanchlower said “"The great fallacy is that the game is first and last about winning. It is nothing of the kind. The game is about glory, it is about doing things in style and with a flourish, about going out and beating the lot, not waiting for them to die of boredom."
Now I’ll admit I was open to the idea of Jose based on the fact I’ve supported and followed spurs religiously for 30 years and seen us win pretty much naff all, especially in the past 15 years so I was willing to mabye sacrifice some style of play for a chance of a trophy but I’ll also admit that it’s taken a grand total of 3 months for me to now not even want to watch our matches out of pure bordem. Im sorry but this is harder to watch than anything even under AVB for example, we literally play anti possession and the worst bit is our players are just not suited to it.
Personally I think those who adamantly said Jose was completely the wrong fit for our club were correct, this is going to only get more toxic over the next few weeks and months as players get more tired with a lack of options to rotate in and also tired and frustrated by being told to go out and play anti-football. I hoped it wasnt true but I think Jose is a busted flush but mainly it’s just so so hard to put up watching this kind of football and as the guys on the ESPN analysis said if we had Kane and or Son against Chelsea it likely wouldn’t have made a bit of difference to how we set-up and the style of football we played.
That's five years work Vs three months work ... There is a problem with that being 'this'This.
I was under the impression that Joe Lewis told Levy to get rid of PochThis one is DEFINITELY on Levy!
Apparently nor can MourinhoSo do we want mourinho out now? I cant keep up
But when Poch initially took us over sure the results weren’t always there but there were obviously signs of an attractive style of play which came to fruition over the next few seasons however with Jose it’s clear to see the plan but the plan doesn’t look attractive or enjoyable football.That's five years work Vs three months work ... There is a problem with that being 'this'
Not just you but everyone throwing their toys out the pram. Unless you see where he could take us, you've just jumped to the end and said no already ...
Think that's the crux of it, not sure people are going to get anything from the rest of this season if their expectations were ... I literally have no idea. At the start of January I thought this season was in the can - two months on ... We're competing, not sure anyone could honestly hand on heart could say the expected more (I could be wrong) but that'd be unreasonable, no? I certainly didn't think we'd be playing 'glory' football and a throw back to 'push and run' football considering why the outgoing manager was sacked .... I must be a mentalist.
Ahhh I said I didn't want to do it but seen as Poch's comparisons are going on I'll do it.Perhaps we could trouble you to edit the highlights of these games in chronological order to illustrate how shit Poch games used to be too before gaining some consistency.
Yep, IF this does go balls up levy needs to get some serious heat his way as his management of the players and managers bar getting lucky with Poch & Redknapp has been abysmal So although I don’t enjoy the way we are playing I also feel Jose has been put in an almightily difficult position.
You change your mind on an hourly basis it seems.
The bit in bold is everything that is wrong with this fan base, that is the past - we had a shot at doing that last year in a final under the management of a man that you and others feel would have been a better bet than Jose - instead he played insipid uninspired football in the pinnacle of club football.
ESPN? I just can't take them seriously, they think we would have played the same football with our top two players in the team? ...
I'm sorry, I just can't.