January 2025 Scouting Thread

[djhotspur]

Do you think conceicao can play in the prem? Looks very small

 

[Ghost Hardware]

Do you think conceicao can play in the prem? Looks very small

I had the same concerns last summer as your right, he is very small but I am more convinced now then I was. Its worth rewatching Juve's recent 3-2 win against Liepzig in the CL. Conceicao came on in the 12 min (he had only just returned from an injury hence him not starting) after Gonzalez went off injured and was scintillating. He was up agains David Raum who is 6 ft and a reasonably strong guy and had zero issue. He ended the game with a an excellent goal and assist and looked dangerous every time he got the ball.

Thing is about him is although he is small, whilst he might not be the fastest over long distances, he has excellent acceleration from a standing start, fantastic close control under pressure and in tight spaces plus a low centre of gravity. This results in a player that is very hard to get the ball off. Not only that he is an intelligent player who uses space well. He is also more then comfortable going on the outside. Being a left footed right winger never seems to hinder him or limits his game. Someone like Bakayoko, another player a lot of us like, can look very left footed at times to the point of a slight over reliance of cutting in along the box and drifting central when faced with a defender that has good body positioning. From what I remember a good example of that is PSV's CL game against Juve where, save for a last min assist, he was very quiet and almost every time he got on the ball out wide would try to take on Cambiaso but then check out onto his left instead of trying to get his opposite number to commit or going to the byline.

I do think we need to watch how he does over the reminder of the season. He isn't perfect and he does need to work on his final ball, whilst he can see a pass and sometimes pulls of some incredible crosses/through balls, sometimes he can also be a little wayward. In general he is only 21 and still developing. As I have said previously, judging players at this stage of a season can often be a fools errand as its not uncommon for some to start on a hot streak then fade once we get into the meat and bones of a campaign. It's one of the reason's I haven't bothered doing any scouting write ups here. But even so I have been very impressed with how Conceicao has looked thus far for Juve and I do think he has the potential to be an excellent winger. Time will tell.

I do think there is a significant shortage of top class left footed right wingers that are the right profile for our system so it is worth keeping an eye on those that tick a large number of boxes even if they aren't the complete package.

 

[King of the Lane]

I had the same concerns last summer as your right, he is very small but I am more convinced now then I was. Its worth rewatching Juve's recent 3-2 win against Liepzig in the CL. Conceicao came on in the 12 min (he had only just returned from an injury hence him not starting) after Gonzalez went off injured and was scintillating. He was up agains David Raum who is 6 ft and a reasonably strong guy and had zero issue. He ended the game with a an excellent goal and assist and looked dangerous every time he got the ball.

Thing is about him is although he is small, whilst he might night be the fastest over long distances, he has excellent acceleration from a standing start, fantastic close control under pressure and in tight spaces and a low centre of gravity. This results in a player that is very hard to get the ball off. Not only that he is an intelligent player who uses space well. He is also more then comfortable going on the outside. Being a left footed right winger never seems to hinder him or limits his game. Someone like Bakayoko, another player a lot of us like, can look very left footed at times to the point of a slight over reliance of cutting in along the box and drifting central when faced with a defender that has good body positioning. From what I remember a good example of that is PSV's CL game against Juve where, save for a last min assist, he was very quiet and almost every time he got on the ball out wide would try to take on Cambiaso but then check out onto his left instead of trying to get his opposite number to commit or going to the byline.

I do think we need to watch how he does over the reminder of the season. He isn't perfect and he does need to work on his final ball, whilst he can see a pass and sometimes pulls of some incredible crosses/through balls, sometimes he can also be a little wayward. In general he is only 21 and still developing. As I have said previously, judging players at this stage of a season can often be a fools errand as its not uncommon for some to start on a hot streak then fade once we get into the meat and bones of a campaign. It's one of the reason's I haven't bothered doing any scouting write ups here. But even so I have been very impressed with how Conceicao has looked thus far for Juve and I do think he has the potential to be an excellent winger. Time will tell.

I do think there is a significant shortage of top class left footed right wingers that are the right profile for our system so it is worth keeping an eye on those that tick a large number of boxes even if they aren't the complete package.

I really hope Marmoush is a top target for January/Summer. I know he isnt a left footed right winger but he can play effectively across the front 3 and looks like the next player that is going to explode and be out of reach really soon. Also would mean we would have a ready made Son replacement in a couple of seasons time.

 

[Ghost Hardware]

I really hope Marmoush is a top target for January/Summer. I know he isnt a left footed right winger but he can play effectively across the front 3 and looks like the next player that is going to explode and be out of reach really soon. Also would mean we would have a ready made Son replacement in a couple of seasons time.

They’ve supposedly already ruled out a Jan transfer so that very likely won’t be happening then. Would just have to hope we still have a shot next summer. I read recently that they want him to sign an extension but he is reluctant to do so at present.

As I mentioned in a past prior to the one you quoted my move atm would probably be replace Richy with Marmoush and replace Werner with Conceicao. That would leave us rather well balanced across the front line. Then I’d add Alex Baena or Rayan Cherki and that would leave us set in attack for a long while.

 

[mr ashley]

They’ve supposedly already ruled out a Jan transfer so that very likely won’t be happening then. Would just have to hope we still have a shot next summer. I read recently that they want him to sign an extension but he is reluctant to do so at present.

As I mentioned in a past prior to the one you quoted my move atm would probably be replace Richy with Marmoush and replace Werner with Conceicao. That would leave us rather well balanced across the front line. Then I’d add Alex Baena or Rayan Cherki and that would leave us set in attack for a long while.

Can’t argue with that plan.
If we all agree that dorgu is the best option at lb (don’t know much about oosterwolde), then who is the best candidate for gk to replace Forster?

 

[alexis]

Given the news let’s stop messing about and bring in Nico and yamal for starters

 

[Ghost Hardware]

Can’t argue with that plan.
If we all agree that dorgu is the best option at lb (don’t know much about oosterwolde), then who is the best candidate for gk to replace Forster?

I’d add Maxim De Cuyper to the LB list (see vid bellow, he’s a player I like quite a bit). Worth keeping in mind Dorgu has been played more as a winger recently, even towards the end of last season he was played at LW rather then LB and payed 4 of his last 5 games as a RW. This is partially due to his strength going forward but also because he isn’t the strongest defensively. Certainly not saying we should move on from him and he obviously has a lot of potential but I do think we should still keep our options open at this stage.




Beyond that we def need a good DM as considering the contract situation of both, I’m not entirely convinced Biss and Bentancur will still be here going into next season. And as you say a keeper.

 

[Ghost Hardware]

Baena having a great game in only his second start for Spain. Just scored a lovely free kick. Honestly really hope we move for him. Top quality player with big potential.

 

[JamieSpursCommunityUser]

They’ve supposedly already ruled out a Jan transfer so that very likely won’t be happening then. Would just have to hope we still have a shot next summer. I read recently that they want him to sign an extension but he is reluctant to do so at present.

As I mentioned in a past prior to the one you quoted my move atm would probably be replace Richy with Marmoush and replace Werner with Conceicao. That would leave us rather well balanced across the front line. Then I’d add Alex Baena or Rayan Cherki and that would leave us set in attack for a long while.

Would be nice but think we need to manage expectations re: club trained issues.

In 2026 we'll be in the clear. Gray and Bergvall can join the UEFA B-List, followed by hopefully Vuskevic and Yang in 2027 (if not loaned, which means pathways).

However for 2025 going into 2025/26 we'll be at the max UEFA 21 non-club trained (inc 5 Association trained Spence, Gray, Maddison, Johnson, Solanke) - that's after Werner, Reguilon, Forster, and Davies leave and Vuskevic and Yang arrive.

If we leave out Vuskevic and Yang AND sell one of Bissouma / Bentancur, that's 18 non-CT for UEFA.

So 3 non-CT spots and 3 club trained players to fill 6 gaps at 2nd GK, LB, LCB, CM, AM, RWF.

These are the club trained options to cover each position:

GK - Gunter (iffy zero experience and even restricts signing quality PL 2nd GK so really very iffy).
LB - Re-sign KWP, Cirkin, repurpose Gray/Spence (add a versatile LCB/LB).
LCB - Dorrington (leave out Vuskevic from UEFA).
CM - Replace Bissouma / Bentancur (or even Sarr) with Abbott, Devine, or Hall.
AM - Moore, Donley, Devine
RWF - Moore. Leave out Yang and don't sign a winger.

Or to add a bonus non club trained spot:

CF - Sell Richy replace with Lankshear (or Scarlett).
RB - Sell Spence, replace with Gray, Abbott, Black, or re-sign KWP.

If we prioritise 3/4 non club trained I'm going:

2nd GK,
1st XI CM/DM,
1st XI Winger
+ LCB/LB hybrid with Richy <> Lankshear.

Which means Dorrington or Gray as 4th CB (leave out Vuskevic), Moore as AM and Lankshear 2nd CF.

Obviously this won't all happen in Jan but squad restrictions informs both Jan and Summer windows.

 

[Now it's Spursonal]

There is young Irish striker only 17 playing for the same club we signed Josh Keeley from called Mason Melia. We should be all over signing him. He is going to be an absolute superstar. He has turned down Man City apparently. Hopefully we are watching him.

This guy knows his stuff when it comes to the Irish youth players

 

[eddiev14]

This guy knows his stuff when it comes to the Irish youth players

Anyone else read that in an Irish accent?!

 

[spurs9]

Baena having a great game in only his second start for Spain. Just scored a lovely free kick. Honestly really hope we move for him. Top quality player with big potential.

 

[joey55]

Personally I hope we don't waste our time by scouting Baena. I watched him at the end of last season after someone (probably @Ghost Hardware) mentioned him on here. He's obviously brilliant. Therefore he's obviously not coming here. There are number of different ways to bring in top quality players and other than poaching them from our top 4 rivals or European giants, the next least likely route is to try and sign them from well estalished Spanish clubs. We've seen it so many times before. We get linked with them, we follow them and then ultimately, the player signs for a Euro giant and we get a story of how close we came, ie Mata and Cazorla.

Also there are videos of some 15 year old Argentinian wonder kid doing the rounds on social media. I can't remember his name, but please can nobody suggest him as "someone we should keep an eye on."

 

[THOWIG]

Personally I hope we don't waste our time by scouting Baena. I watched him at the end of last season after someone (probably @Ghost Hardware) mentioned him on here. He's obviously brilliant. Therefore he's obviously not coming here. There are number of different ways to bring in top quality players and other than poaching them from our top 4 rivals or European giants, the next least likely route is to try and sign them from well estalished Spanish clubs. We've seen it so many times before. We get linked with them, we follow them and then ultimately, the player signs for a Euro giant and we get a story of how close we came, ie Mata and Cazorla.

Also there are videos of some 15 year old Argentinian wonder kid doing the rounds on social media. I can't remember his name, but please can nobody suggest him as "someone we should keep an eye on."

Mastantuono?

 

[King of the Lane]

Mastantuono?

Thats the player that I was thinking of too

 

[Japhet]

Hope there's something in the rumours around Sudakov. Might be a bit difficult since Shaktar seem to think we had them over for 'free agent' Manor Solomon but he'd be quality if we could get him in imo.

 

[mr ashley]

Have mentioned his name before in a conversation about ademola lookman but Jamie bynoe gittens at bvb is starting to shine.
he’s another right-footed LW and I’m not sure he’d qualify as hg but I’m sure we’ve been watching him.

 

[Ghost Hardware]

Have mentioned his name before in a conversation about ademola lookman but Jamie bynoe gittens at bvb is starting to shine.
he’s another right-footed LW and I’m not sure he’d qualify as hg but I’m sure we’ve been watching him.

Bild mentioned last week or so we had been scouting him. Certainly seems to be stepping up this season although I do think he is still on the raw side for what we need at present. Big talent tho no doubt. It’s a shame Adeyemi is injury prone as I think he’d probably be the better fit. Strange to say as last season I thought he was far to inconsistent and lacked focus but this season he looks really sharp.

 

[Ghost Hardware]

Hope there's something in the rumours around Sudakov. Might be a bit difficult since Shaktar seem to think we had them over for 'free agent' Manor Solomon but he'd be quality if we could get him in imo.

Certainly would be a very good alternative to Baena, he'd fit the system well as he is very comfortable dropping deep to collect the ball. I would imagine SD would make it very tricky to negotiate with due to Solomon. Whilst I think they would come to the table if nobody else comes in for him I reckon they wouldn't be particularly keen to agree a favourable fee on our terms.

 

[TPdYID]

Thing is about him is although he is small, whilst he might not be the fastest over long distances, he has excellent acceleration from a standing start, fantastic close control under pressure and in tight spaces plus a low centre of gravity. This results in a player that is very hard to get the ball off. Not only that he is an intelligent player who uses space well.

Not comparing the two, but wasn't the same said of Manor Solomon?