Jacob Ramsey

[WiganSpur]

Feels like another Lamela = Gil & £££ deal to me, and that one didn’t exactly set the world alight.

Also, does Ange really want him!? Or is this on Lange? Disappointing if so, as I hoped those days were behind us.

We wouldn’t get £20m from a foreign club for Gio though, and £40m for Ramsey seems about right for a good English player. Then if you sell Bissouma or Bentancur on top then you have improved the balance of the squad, in theory without paying a penny.

On whether Ange wants him we know he’s keen on Gallagher and he likes midfielders who can break forward into the box. Ramsey fits that remit so I bet Ange likes him.

 

[JamieSpursCommunityUser]

What I would say is If we sell one of Bentancur, Kulu, Sarr or Biss (and move one of Bentancur or Sarr into DM) on top of all the others currently listed this suddenly becomes a lot more sensible a move. Maybe we are selling Bentancur after the summer he had. Personally I would be disappointed to write him off so quickly but maybe the business just makes sense doing the swap. The negative PR storm on top of his post injury form might have made our decision for us.

It would then allow us to bring in another playmaker and a winger alongside Ramsey.

I think that's likely the case if he arrives.

That someone unexpected will go. Bentancur, Bissouma or Kulu.

I think if you look at Bentancur and Bissouma. They are both 27.

As good as they are or can be, neither looks like a nailed on profile fit or automatic starter, and Lolo has 2 years on his contract.

Being pragmatic if the club has received interest they may wish to take the opportunity to reshape the midfield before their value falls off a cliff.

Which is something we've failed to do before. Always selling too late.

It would be somewhat painful to loose Bentancur after the heights he reached pre-injury.

But you have to allow Ange to shape the squad as he sees fit.

I'd be slightly confused by it given the midfield talent coming through, but optimistic there's a plan behind it.

 

[felmani26]

Ange is clearly prioritising strong runners from midfield but Ramsey does offer much more than this.

Physically strong and very composed on the ball who also has the vision to make those slide rule balls that if we can get a Gyokeres in will relish.

Villa fans love him - no ambiguity it seems over his quality and what he would bring and they would like him starting left midfield as opposed to centrally and for us i'd imagine Ange would play him left of a 3 man midfield drifting wide and linking up with Udogie well.

He's also a very accomplished finisher too with a good nose for getting into the right areas and technically very sound.

Was a standout in the England U21's and undoubtedly ear marked for full team if not for the injuries this year and therein lies a big ? over him with this nagging metatarsal.

 

[Bluto Blutarsky]

Feels like another Lamela = Gil & £££ deal to me, and that one didn’t exactly set the world alight.

Also, does Ange really want him!? Or is this on Lange? Disappointing if so, as I hoped those days were behind us.

Does Ange really have the time to be scouting individual players - or is he talking to Lange and saying "I need players with these attributes." And Lange, and his team, are responsible for finding players that match those attributes?

I think the days of managers providing a list of specific players they want is in the past. I think maybe, the recruitment team compiles a list, and the manager might then have some preferences - and I am certain that Ange will insist on talking to any players before we make a move.

So, I guess I am ok if this a player Lange has decided is a good fit, and Ange has not vetoed it after talking to him.

 

[Led Revolver]

Does Ange really have the time to be scouting individual players - or is he talking to Lange and saying "I need players with these attributes." And Lange, and his team, are responsible for finding players that match those attributes?

I think the days of managers providing a list of specific players they want is in the past. I think maybe, the recruitment team compiles a list, and the manager might then have some preferences - and I am certain that Ange will insist on talking to any players before we make a move.

So, I guess I am ok if this a player Lange has decided is a good fit, and Ange has not vetoed it after talking to him.

I sincerely hope you’re right, but we’ve been here before haven’t we.

 

[$hoguN]

I like Ramsay and I think he does offer us something our squad is lacking in terms of runs from midfield. However it just won't work in terms of squad numbers unless he is an alternative to Eze, or one of Bissouma, Bentancur or Bergvall is sold (in Bergvall's case loaned).

Eg:

6 position - Bentancur/Bissouma, Gray
8 positions - Maddison, Eze, Sarr, Ramsay, Bergvall

Or:

6 position - Bentancur, Bissouma, Gray
8 positions - Maddison, Sarr, Ramsay, Bergvall

If Ange has got a preference for who he'd like to move on from Bissouma/Bentancur then I like the first set of options so it could be a move that makes sense. We should be able to get a reasonable amount for Biss or Bentancur who we can replace with Gray.

Or Eze is being signed as a wide option?

 

[Bluto Blutarsky]

or Bergvall is sold (in Bergvall's case loaned).

I'd be shocked if Bergvall is loaned.


I think we want him to be HG club-trained, which would require him to stay at the club for the next 3 seasons. And I suspect he is impressing enough in training that he will be a rotational player this season - assuming he continues to work at it.

 

[tommo84]

The first few times I saw Ramsey play I was envious of Villa for having him. Can’t recall seeing much of him lately but if Ange likes him (and that bit seems unclear) then I’m on board.

 

[matty74]

I'd be shocked if Bergvall is loaned.


I think we want him to be HG club-trained, which would require him to stay at the club for the next 3 seasons. And I suspect he is impressing enough in training that he will be a rotational player this season - assuming he continues to work at it.

Think he will excel in some Europa league games which will ultimately lead to him getting game time in league games

 

[worcestersauce]

What you don’t know, you just don’t know

If Dovahkiin puts this in the daily ITK thread we'll have it locked before bedtime.

 

[arunspurs]

Think he will excel in some Europa league games which will ultimately lead to him getting game time in league games

If anything, Bergvall been our no1 midfielder across 2 games. It could have been Gray had he played in the CM role.
Bergvall I am sure,will be used consistently across all competitons (if he is fit, probably end up getting more than 2000minutes easily)

 

[S17PUR]

He's obviously a talented player. My issue is that we've got lots of talented players at his sort of level. Bringing in more is fine but we really need a couple of truly top signings that would improve our starting eleven.

Bissouma, Bentancur, Sarr and even Hojbjerg are not too dissimilar in terms of quality. Maddison perhaps a level above. Bergvall and Gray show promise but are still unknowns at the top level.

Werner, Johnson, Kulusevski and Richarlison are all at a similar-ish sort of level. Solomon another couple of levels below that.

We should be prioritising those 2-3 players that can really help us move up a level. If we can do that and still sign potential like Ramsey, then great.

 

[Ron Burgundy]

We should be prioritising those 2-3 players that can really help us move up a level. If we can do that and still sign potential like Ramsey, then great.

this is my view. We need attackers who can make us a more genuine threat going forward.

 

[dontcallme]

He's obviously a talented player. My issue is that we've got lots of talented players at his sort of level. Bringing in more is fine but we really need a couple of truly top signings that would improve our starting eleven.

Bissouma, Bentancur, Sarr and even Hojbjerg are not too dissimilar in terms of quality. Maddison perhaps a level above. Bergvall and Gray show promise but are still unknowns at the top level.

Werner, Johnson, Kulusevski and Richarlison are all at a similar-ish sort of level. Solomon another couple of levels below that.

We should be prioritising those 2-3 players that can really help us move up a level. If we can do that and still sign potential like Ramsey, then great.

Even though I don't know anything about Ramsey, it seems we're swapping him for a player that our manager doesn't seem to fancy. I'm confident in our current transfer committee that they're buying a player of quality that suits us.

Our recent net spend has been around £150m a season. This deal would bring us up to around £60m so far. We still have players like PEH and Royal very likely to leave for a fee.

So this deal shouldn't have any bearing at all on us improving other areas.

 

[Ben1]

He's obviously a talented player. My issue is that we've got lots of talented players at his sort of level. Bringing in more is fine but we really need a couple of truly top signings that would improve our starting eleven.

Bissouma, Bentancur, Sarr and even Hojbjerg are not too dissimilar in terms of quality. Maddison perhaps a level above. Bergvall and Gray show promise but are still unknowns at the top level.

Werner, Johnson, Kulusevski and Richarlison are all at a similar-ish sort of level. Solomon another couple of levels below that.

We should be prioritising those 2-3 players that can really help us move up a level. If we can do that and still sign potential like Ramsey, then great.

Same thoughts here, I just don’t see us winning/losing more games if a player like Ramsey is there or not. I know that’s basic and not how it works, but hey. Just feels like a player because we want rid of another player. Bosses know best though.

 

[Tucker]

We should be prioritising those 2-3 players that can really help us move up a level. If we can do that and still sign potential like Ramsey, then great.

Let’s see how the rest of the window pans out. I don’t expect that Ramsey is a priority signing, but it looks like decent squad building/management to me. We’ve been trying to shift Lo Celso for several summers now to no avail, he’s got a year left and this is our last chance to make some sort of return on him.

Using him as a makeweight in this deal seems a good use of resources to me and leaves us to use our funds to push for those players that will take us up a level.

 

[Reece_Spurs]

I really like Lo Celso, but if he isn't Ange's cup of tea and he likes Ramsey i'm all for it.

I really like Ramsey for what it's worth, think he'd do really well in this system aswell.

GLC + £20m seems alot on paper but in reality it's a £40m ish signing on lower wages that fits the system better.

 

[piedpiper]

We don't like being called fickle.....but I'm gobsmacked by the number of fans who suggest Bentancur should be sold. He was injured February to October after a major injury.... came back and also missed a few games.

We all waxed lyrical when he arrived and what a bargain signing he was. He is on his holiday break right now but I bet he will make a major contribution over the coming season. I can see Hojberg and possibly Skip leaving .... at a stretch Bissouma...naah even as I type that I can't think of it.

 

[Luka Van der Bale]

Have they proved capable yet? I also can’t see Bergvail starting any PL matches this season, although he may in some cup games

Really?! I think both Bergvall and Gray will be genuine options who both start a fair few games.

 

[vegassd]

But from a squad building perspective, I don’t see it. We don’t desperately need association trained players (we need club trained players). Our midfield needs work, but it seems like we have an abundance of players that fill that role + a bunch of youth players with big potential that also fit that role.

If we are talking about genuine squad building, we shouldn’t view this potential deal in isolation. We are moving parts of the puzzle which will have various knock on effects.

Gray was not a replacement for Rodon - it was a deal that worked for both sides and moved our squad forward. I think any deal involving Ramsey & Lo Celso would be similar.

And if we are really talking about squad building then we can’t ignore the business side. We also can’t focus on the HG quota for the upcoming season alone. If we have an abundance of HG players now, it means we can (potentially) sell one in the future for a decent fee, and replace with a Gyokeres/Vlahaovic/Sesko type. Squad building is a long term game, not a snapshot (imo).