Jack Grealish

[Univarn]

Have messaged my man at Villa.

Fucks sake does everyone have a man at Villa? Is this just some cultural thing that we Americans miss out on?

 

[mdharris]

I like the look of him. But he seems very one footed.

 

[Everlasting Seconds]

Fucks sake does everyone have a man at Villa? Is this just some cultural thing that we Americans miss out on?

Felicity Jones is from Birmingham which is the only nice thing that can be said about the place, so personally I'd rather have a lady at villa.

 

[dtxspurs]

What does it matter where Villa played Onomah? He's a central midfielder.

We also only played him at one of the attacking midfield spots. It might not matter what we think his best spot. His whole club career people have been playing him in the attacking midfield area.

 

[dtxspurs]

My whole point on this is that if we get Grealish for 20 mil and then go get andre gomes or Doucoure or someone like that for our CM while Kovacic, Rabiot or someone of that quality goes for 50 mil we should be pissed.

 

[Trix]

I wonder if people would be so against signing Grealish if we had already signed a couple of higher profile players first.

 

[Everlasting Seconds]

I wonder if people would be so against signing Grealish if we had already signed a couple of higher profile players first.

I'm simply against signing players just because they are cheap, when we can fill the need with existing players or existing combination of players. My vision for this summer if somebody would ask me, and frankly why wouldn't they , is signing very few players of extreme quality and otherwise fill the remaining gaps with existing squad. We need to refine the transfer strategy as a top 4 team, not keep doing it as if we are still trying to break into top 4. I don't won't more signings in the category "we can't buy player X for 60M, so let's get somebody for 20M". Then I'd rather sign nobody.

 

[dtxspurs]

I wonder if people would be so against signing Grealish if we had already signed a couple of higher profile players first.

Not at all. This screams last minute budget signing rather than first signing of the summer. This should be leftover dollars going to a potential type player that we have a leftover spot for. Not oh sh*t Real Madrid bought Savic so now Kovacic is available but we blew 20mil of our budget on Jack Grealish so we can't afford him. If it doesn't work like that then great but thats all I'm picturing. I also just don't think he's really going to play very much meaning the funds will likely be a waste. Especially considering how freaking long Poch takes to embed new players if they don't impress at first. I mean look at Lucas, Son in his first season, Nkoudou never played. Grealish comes in and is immediately 6th place in that group after we bought the 5th one in January and he played very little.

 

[thefierycamel]

What does it matter where Villa played Onomah? He's a central midfielder.

Poch has never used him at CM for us either. Yes it's his best position (based on youth football) but he's basically never played any senior football there.

With regards to your previous question, it isn't about shashoua or roles being better players....yet; it's about them having as much potential, if not more and thus not spending money on someone who would also hardly feature for us. If these kids are at the club and have a personal attachment to it, why do we never use them as our depth (i.e. back-up to our back-up)? If we promoted youth then they'd be more confident in their own ability, we'd have more homegrown players in the team, more players who love the club, spend less money on transfers which means that when we do make purchases there is more money available to go after big targets. Surely 2 or 3 amazing players is better than one amazing player and a few good ones? Buying for the sake of buying isn't the best transfer policy imo

 

[LexingtonSpurs]

Do they show a lot of Championship football in the US then?

They actually do - usually at least 2-3 Championship matches per game week. We get a lot more football coverage here than you get in England.

 

[St José Dominguez]

He has looked good this season, somethings clicked in his game. There is definite potential there and I wouldn't be against this signing on an individual basis.

My concern is what the plan is as he isn't going to be that cheap. If he comes in along with a high quality CM and another attacker then great, the worry is that Grealish is actually the CM or the attacker we are choosing. That really would be deflating and not really good enough going into the new stadium.

 

[james Stock]

I suspect we have watched him closely while keeping tabs on Onomah. If Poch thinks he is worth a punt, so be it. I doubt he will be our only midfield buy.

 

[glospur]

We literally have an academy full of talented players who could do the same or similar jobs. Why don't we put time into jack roles or Sam shashoua at number 10 instead? Then we don't have to pay a 20m fee for a player who won't be first choice. We also have about 5 really promising central midfielders and a few good wingers as well. It never makes sense to me, these guys have so much potential yet we ignore them in favour of signing players who don't have any attachment to to the club and aren't good enough to win a starting spot. Legitimately, Grealish wouldn't get on the bench if everyone was fit; what's the point?

This is just not true.

In fact, the player widely regarded as the most talented to come from our academy was significantly outperformed by Grealish while playing in the exact same team as him. If Onomah is considerably worse than Grealish, what makes you think Roles and and Shashoua as well as an 'acadmey full of talented players' would be a better option than him?

 

[dtxspurs]

The last time we noticed a player while scouting another was Nkoudou

 

[thefierycamel]

This is just not true.

In fact, the player widely regarded as the most talented to come from our academy was significantly outperformed by Grealish while playing in the exact same team as him. If Onomah is considerably worse than Grealish, what makes you think Roles and and Shashoua as well as an 'acadmey full of talented players' would be a better option than him?

We both know that Josh was close to being the best player on the pitch on the rare occasions that he actually played at CM for villa. It's not about them being instantly better anyway. Grealish will hardly play for our first team, so why not save that money and give any opportunities that might present themselves to our own talent? They could well be better than him in the long run given some senior match time. He's literally going to be 6th choice out of the AMs which means he won't make the bench if they're all fit. Lamela is a better player and should be the immediate back up for eriksen and dele can play that role as well so why buy another player? What's wrong with promoting youth when the match time will be limited anyway? We need to use our resources better to compete

 

[DCSPUR]

I wonder if people would be so against signing Grealish if we had already signed a couple of higher profile players first.

mate, this is just reversion to the mean....with Poch telling Madrid to jog on and rumors of Kane, Eriksen and Dele signing, there is simply no more capacity to be positive for many of the SC community...better they complain now about Jack the lad then have a mutiny and want to bog wash Levy when he gets the Martial signing over the line....it would really confuse him.

 

[BuckeyeSpurs11]

I wonder if people would be so against signing Grealish if we had already signed a couple of higher profile players first.

Personally, I wouldn’t be against it if the rest of our business was clear. Pretty neutral of it if he’s first in. Thought he was younger for some reason but has untapped potential.

 

[Hotspurious]

I wonder if people would be so against signing Grealish if we had already signed a couple of higher profile players first.

I think the point is Grealish:

1. Isn’t gonna displace a starter in the attacking midfield; and
2. He isn’t going replace expected losses in the starting 11; and
3. He’s a bit of a squad/one for the future sort of player.

Thus, while he’d be a nice addition, this doesn’t really help us progress in the short term. And, for that segment that believes that we have a limited window to win before we see attrition and who also believes that our budget is limited, signing Grealish is actually a negative as he eats into the budget for players in categories 1&2.

I can’t say that those assumptions are correct but that’s the perception of many.

 

[poc]

I wonder if people would be so against signing Grealish if we had already signed a couple of higher profile players first.

I think they would he's already portrayed as a bit of dick with an attitude problem and those socks, he's a target for football fans around the country already. I for one though would see this as a decent signing always looked talented to me, I reckon poch would work wonders with him.

 

[SpartanSpur]

I wonder if people would be so against signing Grealish if we had already signed a couple of higher profile players first.

I think you are right here Trix. Touched upon it in the ITK thread last night.

Just seems like the same old Levy tricks and puts more doubt on whether we really are going to be stepping up the quality of recruitment this summer.

I think if we'd swapped Martial for Toby already and brought De Ligt in, the deal would look much better. Even more so if we got a solid Dembele replacement beforehand and this was a 'bonus' signing.